bluesofa Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, bbi1 said: Is Thailand still ranked as the 2nd most deaths on the road in the world after some African nation like it was a few years ago? The African nation was Libya. Thailand's now number one, although from the way I read it, that's more due to the fact Libya has been undergoing so much turmoil for years, they haven't produced any statistics. From memory, the last published figures from those two winners: Deaths per 100,000 head of population - Libya was 67 and Thailand 'only' 35. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chopin2 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 I talked to a Thai guy a few days ago, he has been driving 10 years+ without a licence. When asked why he didn't get one, he said he was afraid he wouldn't pass....???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbi1 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, bluesofa said: The African nation was Libya. Thailand's now number one, although from the way I read it, that's more due to the fact Libya has been undergoing so much turmoil for years, they haven't produced any statistics. From memory, the last published figures from those two winners: Deaths per 100,000 head of population - Libya was 67 and Thailand 'only' 35. Ah, Thailand made it to number 1 finally! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgarbo Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 6 hours ago, stanleycoin said: Situation normal. With a high focus on, brass in pocket. from the Police. Carry on Thailand, you care so much about your citizens. Who exactly is "Thailand"? Where do we meet this person? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanleycoin Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Just now, jgarbo said: Who exactly is "Thailand"? Where do we meet this person? Ok mate. is that your best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fi42 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Thailands population 61m Germany's 82m. The UK's population of 66m, with 1729 road deaths in 2017, provides a better comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tidybeard Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 So roughly speaking, by year end we will be at 5 x 9/11 death toll. You would think that some bells would be ringing in the Thai Government's ears. But that said, it is estimated that around 700 - 800,000 Chinese die prematurely each year due to pollution - so maybe the odd 15,000 in Thailand is not so bad. All points to the fact that we should live our lives today while we can and enjoy the wonderful World we live in, for who knows tomorrow ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattaya28 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 If this statistic of 11,000 is correct, then the road deaths have halved. I doubt this. The road deaths was about 27,000 per annum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marko kok prong Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Oh,they will get compo,thats okay then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggles45 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Why do they waste time, space and ink on these stories? Everyone knows, including those who could do something but no-one cares so why bother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TKDfella Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 I see there's no mention of the poor trees that suffer...I mean it seems obvious that people's lives are unimportant so maybe the police should focus on crashes being environmental friendly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamariva1957 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 2 hours ago, jaiyen said: The law might say a van can carry 14 people but Toyota build them to carry 12 people ! Nope they didn't build them. Te seats are added later by 3rd party for the standard Thai minivan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purdey Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Being a hub makes Thais proud I guess. Now, on to Thailand 0.4! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TumblinDice Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Amazing Thailand! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dallen52 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Day time police officers. Only work nights when it's tea money time of the month. Not exactly a visual deterrent are they?. And the road toll keeps on keeping on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dallen52 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 1 hour ago, Pattaya28 said: If this statistic of 11,000 is correct, then the road deaths have halved. I doubt this. The road deaths was about 27,000 per annum. 84 a day including the ones who die later. I see somewhere. Nothing to be proud of is it? The world's #1 place to holiday, and possibly die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toofarnorth Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 3 hours ago, bluesofa said: I see that too. I'm guessing they a) don't know about vehicle positioning, or b) are scared they will be hit by an oncoming vehicle performing an overtake without looking ahead. The logic they often use too, is to indicate right and move into the left, to wait for traffic in both directions to clear, before cutting across the entire road. With you there bluesofa , last week on a quiet road ( on my Forza ) a girl on a scooter ahead signaled right , I slowed down behind , she knew I was there as her head was turning to look in the mirror , just by her turn she pulled over to the left to stop , I nearly re ended her ( the polite way ) as I thought she was about to make the turn. As I say to my TW often , no tax , no insurance , no licence and most important , no idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boombum Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 The Hours that these “drivers” work must also be a factor... driving Sleepy is FAR worse than driving whilst “Drunk” ... the Crash Helmet rules are a JOKE .. 400bt fine ( Falang Only) or a cheap Plastic hat Brand New from a Shop at 250bt... <deleted> I would be interested in a Breakdown of stats.... Falang/Thai/ Sex/Ages Bike/Car/ Commercial Areas/ Times only then could we begin to get a sketchy view of the problems. Ive lived and bombed about on my PCX for 2 years in Pattaya...Not witnessed ANY Accidents involving injury in all that time... just about 5/6 very minor bike falls. I used to be a Travelling Rep in U.K. and would witness a Fatal crash Every week!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benmart Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 6 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said: If you want safer roads, you need police to patrol, deter bad drivers and enforce existing laws fairly. Unfortunately, the police do not do that; until they do, nothing will change. 11,000? Is that all? I would have guessed higher. Thousand and thousands more needless deaths are coming; stop being surprised. I've driven all over Thailand since 1993, and more frequently since retiring here six years ago. Mobile, traffic enforcement is sorely absent, both in city and urban areas. The roadways are a free-for-all, and the local mentality is stuck in policing from stationary checkpoints. That is ineffective, excepting the collection of "fines". The roadway death toll for this country of 64+ millions, is a shame upon it. Perhaps someone in authority will recognize that being Number 1 in roadway carnage, can be turned around with modern techniques, policing and education. If I were a gambler, I wouldn't bet on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lvr181 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Ask the PM and his Deputies why they don't seem to care? ???? Time for the public news media to man up and start demanding answers! After all Govt. are not doing anything to stop the slaughter apart from playing the "blame game" (not getting to the root cause) and making useless pronouncements all the time! Still, it is not the "elite" being regularly maimed and killed, so perhaps that is why they have no real committment to drastically reducing the road trauma. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leatherneck Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 8 hours ago, Creasy said: We're number one ! We're number one ! Go team Thailand. Actually only #2 (behind Libya somehow) per capita according to WHO... "Thailand has the second highest road traffic fatality rate in the world at 36.2 per 100 000 with an annual estimate of over 24 000 deaths or 66 deaths every day." If this estimate is correct, then November and December should be really deadly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leatherneck Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 8 hours ago, Creasy said: We're number one ! We're number one ! Go team Thailand. Actually only #2 (behind Libya somehow) per capita according to WHO... "Thailand has the second highest road traffic fatality rate in the world at 36.2 per 100 000 with an annual estimate of over 24 000 deaths or 66 deaths every day." If this estimate is correct, then November and December should be really deadly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeVonderBearz Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 5 hours ago, sweatalot said: I just looked up the number of traffic deaths in Germany 2017 - it was 3177 the whole year. Same number of population Not a number to be proud of in a highly educated and well off country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvavin Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 In my opinion, this fiasco is caused by the mentality of the people. Nothing else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benmart Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 4 hours ago, spidermike007 said: And why are these drivers speeding in the first place? The primary reason is the toy police force. Nobody, and I mean nobody takes these guys seriously. There is absolutely nothing in the way of a deterrent here, and both the local governments, the central government (weak Little P.) and the police do not take traffic safety seriously. Not even one iota. The safety of the public means less than zero to the small men in charge here. Nothing. They show that on a daily basis. They will not do a thing. Why? They do not care about the people one iota. Not the common people. Not the average pleb. No way. Never have cared, and may never care in the future. It is all about protecting the elite, the super wealthy, those that are connected, and those in power. The rest of the population? They do not matter. The ex-pat community does not matter. And the police will not get involved unless an accident has already occurred. There is no prevention. None. The idea of getting the police more involved, is an interesting one, and it would be an effective one. But, the issue is money. They are grossly underpaid, and until the government steps up, and spends the trillion baht on updating the police equipment, and paying each cop a living wage, it is not going to happen. Until then, they will just work the franchise. When I was growing up, we took drivers education classes. They showed us these horrendous films, of semi trucks crashing into cars, and literally obliterating them, and everything inside. Also, they showed very graphic images of head on collisions. Even as a young kid, it left a lasting impression, and I realized driving was no joking matter. Especially when you have your friends, or loved ones in the car with you. I am constantly astonished at the kinds of chances people take here, with their entire family in the car with them. Why? What is the logic? What is the reason? Why take those risks? Often, when someone cuts onto the highway in front of me, as I am doing 100kpm or more on the highway, I look in my rearview mirror, and there is nobody behind me for quite some distance. Which means, had they paused, and waited 2 or 3 seconds, there would have been zero risk to them, their family, or me and my family. What can one even say? All of this matters even more when driving a motorbike, where there is no protection. The only way to survive here on the road, is to be patient, have eyes in the back of your head, drive with caution, and always, and I mean always watch out of the other guy. Chances are, he does not have much driving skill, nor patience, nor reason, nor common sense. You cannot be too careful on the road here. Especially considering that the toy police offer no traffic safety, nor enforcement of the law. Well said. There are plenty of uniforms running about, with little substance. I wore one once, and from my experience here, it is comical and sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunderhill Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 5 hours ago, edwinchester said: Reading World Bank figures Germany has a population about 15 million more than Thailand so the figures are even worse. My home country, the UK, has only a few million less than Thailand and the official death toll in 2017 was 1710. You'd be quicker walking almost anywhere in the UK now, many 20mph limits, road signs everywhere more signs and paint than road, people driving not more than 45mph on a road where 60 is allowed, to be honest its painful now. Gone way to far. Speed cameras which do nothing except collect revenue. 25mph in a 20 zone =3 points+ £200 fine, 12 points and banned. Result, a country stultified with over regulation. There's never a "happy medium" on the one hand the UK's over use of regs and Thailand's "total lack of regulation and enforcement" Rules cater for the morons in society and drag everyone down to that level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotchilli Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 8 hours ago, stanleycoin said: Situation normal. With a high focus on, brass in pocket. from the Police. Carry on Thailand, you care so much about your citizens. Correct, just fines, fines & more fines... which has a history of not making the blind bit of difference to the mentality! How about trying something new... like closing down companies, life bans for drivers, even jail time for manslaughter... but then I forgot. we cannot stop the Thai people from making a shekel !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebean001 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 I accept the headline but feel it hides the real issues about the highways. Motorcycles account for a huge %. I think it is as high as 70% or more. Most are men age 18-25. Most alcohol related. Secondly, the number must include those who die within xx days plus … I hate when we take ‘seriously injured’ lightly. I am sure many would have preferred to have died. Also, they have a life of suffering. So…how does Thailand rate for private car accidents, trucks, and commercial? Age group, alcohol, weather, non-driver fault. Ok, do we don’t know but we may find Thailand is not really number 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanleycoin Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 8 minutes ago, ebean001 said: I accept the headline but feel it hides the real issues about the highways. Motorcycles account for a huge %. I think it is as high as 70% or more. Most are men age 18-25. Most alcohol related. Secondly, the number must include those who die within xx days plus … I hate when we take ‘seriously injured’ lightly. I am sure many would have preferred to have died. Also, they have a life of suffering. So…how does Thailand rate for private car accidents, trucks, and commercial? Age group, alcohol, weather, non-driver fault. Ok, do we don’t know but we may find Thailand is not really number 1. Ok mate So would it all be ok, if they were no 2 or 3 or 4 or no 10 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What are you on about !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunderhill Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 2 hours ago, connda said: A camera on a pole taking pictures of speeder and spitting out tickets in the mail that are ignored and not paid - that isn't enforcement And is the tiniest part of the real problem often on LONG STRAIGHT good visibilty roads..how the hell does that help? Driving too close, not looking, no anticipation, follow any Thai driver, brakes on brakes off brakes on brakes off, all theyd have to do is take their foot off the gas for a second to slow down but on they go, brakes on /off/on /off. Awful road design with U turns where fast moving traffic merges with virtually stationary traffic. Speeding is probably the least of the devils. Being totally unaware of their surroundings and capability of their vehicles combined with 1 second concentration span and selfishness = Deathland. If Somchai ploughs into you at 90kph or 100kph the result will still be the same, yet in the second example he'd be illegal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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