TM28+TM30 Report to Police-stations?

[glegolo]

I hear from people that state that you can report the stay of friends and relatives in your home at your local policestation, this in  spite of the fact that in one case the Immigration office was just 30 km away, and the policestation some 700 meters??

 

Is it possible to do this or is this just lies??

 

glegolo

[ubonjoe]

The reports can be done at a police station if they will accept them.

But for a TM30 report immigration would not know about it other than showing them the receipt for it. The rules for a TM30 report state you can only do it at a police station if a immigration office is not within  the area where you are staying and that is interpreted as meaning the province where you are at.

The TM28 report requirement is seldom enforced and is only needed if changing addresses if you have a extension of stay.

 

[glegolo]

thank you for a great reply

 

glegolo

[Tanoshi]

2 hours ago, glegolo said:

I hear from people that state that you can report the stay of friends and relatives in your home at your local policestation,

Only in the case where there is no Immigration office in that Province.

 

The house – master , the owner or the possessor of the residence , or the hotel manager
where the alien , receiving permission to stay temporary in the Kingdom has stayed , must notify the
competent official of the Immigration Office located in the same area with that hours , dwelling place or
hotel, within 24 hours from the time of arrival of the alien concerned. If there is no Immigration Office
located in that area , the local police official for that area must be notified.

 

From my own previous experience, the local Police Stations are oblivious to this requirement.

[glegolo]

thnks for your reply...

 

glegolo

[jackdd]

You don't have to submit a TM28, that's only for people who stay in Thailand illegally, or in case you wrote the wrong address on the arrival form.

A while ago i also read the law wrong, you have to pay attention to this paragraph in section 37: "The provision of (3) and (4) shall not apply to any cases under Section 34 by any conditions as prescribed by the Director General."

http://library.siam-legal.com/thai-law/thai-immigration-act-temporary-stay-in-the-kingdom-sections-34-39/

[ubonjoe]

4 minutes ago, jackdd said:

A while ago i also read the law wrong, you have to pay attention to this paragraph in section 37: "The provision of (3) and (4) shall not apply to any cases under Section 34 by any conditions as prescribed by the Director General."

How do you know that the "Director General" waived them for any of those permit stays under section 34.

Anyway those two are not normally enforced other than for changing your address to another province at immigration using a TM28 form.

[cleopatra2]

12 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

How do you know that the "Director General" waived them for any of those permit stays under section 34.

Anyway those two are not normally enforced other than for changing your address to another province at immigration using a TM28 form.

Ubonjoe I interpret different. I don't interpret that the director is waiving conditions, but applying conditions on the granting of permission of stay.

As an example the permission is granted only on the condition of the applicant resides at a specific address, or is required to move to a specific address.

However I could be wrong

[jackdd]

12 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

How do you know that the "Director General" waived them for any of those permit stays under section 34.

Anyway those two are not normally enforced other than for changing your address to another province at immigration using a TM28 form.

Imho it says that they are generally waved, but the "Director General" could make limitations (conditions) to it. Unlikely that he made any limitations and even more unlikely that the police would know about them if they would exist.

[cleopatra2]

20 minutes ago, jackdd said:

Imho it says that they are generally waved, but the "Director General" could make limitations (conditions) to it. Unlikely that he made any limitations and even more unlikely that the police would know about them if they would exist.

My initial reading is wrong.

Yours looks correct.

[brewsterbudgen]

You don't have to submit a TM28, that's only for people who stay in Thailand illegally, or in case you wrote the wrong address on the arrival form.
A while ago i also read the law wrong, you have to pay attention to this paragraph in section 37: "The provision of (3) and (4) shall not apply to any cases under Section 34 by any conditions as prescribed by the Director General."
http://library.siam-legal.com/thai-law/thai-immigration-act-temporary-stay-in-the-kingdom-sections-34-39/

Nonsense. A TM28 is for Extension holders to notify Immigration that they have moved to a new permanent address.

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[Maestro]

2 hours ago, jackdd said:

You don't have to submit a TM28, that's only for people who stay in Thailand illegally, or in case you wrote the wrong address on the arrival form.

A while ago i also read the law wrong, you have to pay attention to this paragraph in section 37: "The provision of (3) and (4) shall not apply to any cases under Section 34 by any conditions as prescribed by the Director General."

http://library.siam-legal.com/thai-law/thai-immigration-act-temporary-stay-in-the-kingdom-sections-34-39/

There is a little problem there. We do not know what conditions, if any, have been prescribed by the Director General of the Police Department under section 37 of the Immigration Act.

[jackdd]

1 hour ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Nonsense. A TM28 is for Extension holders to notify Immigration that they have moved to a new permanent address.

Did you read the actual law to which i posted a link? Then it becomes clear that you are wrong because this is definitely not the purpose of the TM28. Initially people who entered legally are exempt from this.

Of course somewhere maybe an order exists from an "Director General", which includes people who entered legally, but if this exists is not sure.

 

39 minutes ago, Maestro said:

There is a little problem there. We do not know what conditions, if any, have been prescribed by the Director General of the Police Department under section 37 of the Immigration Act.

The problem, as always in such cases, is that nobody can prove that something doesn't exist, so we don't know it 100%.

If anybody ever gets fined for not having submitted a TM28 after moving to a new place: Show them the law and ask the person wanting to fine you on which grounds he is fining you, because if you just have the law it's not possible. If the police officer can provide any such order by a "Director General" which defines conditions take a photo and post it here ????

[AYJAYDEE]

We live 60 km from the nearest immigration office and so we go to our local police station to file a TM30. they fill out the receipt at the bottom and give it to me and I keep it in my passport. When I have had dealings with immigration, they have been satisfied to see this receipt and have given us no trouble.

[AYJAYDEE]

5 hours ago, jackdd said:

Imho it says that they are generally waved, but the "Director General" could make limitations (conditions) to it. Unlikely that he made any limitations and even more unlikely that the police would know about them if they would exist.

thats the way I interpret it as well.  

[brewsterbudgen]

13 hours ago, jackdd said:

Did you read the actual law to which i posted a link? Then it becomes clear that you are wrong because this is definitely not the purpose of the TM28. Initially people who entered legally are exempt from this.

Of course somewhere maybe an order exists from an "Director General", which includes people who entered legally, but if this exists is not sure.

 

 

All I know is that when I moved to a new condo, after living in my previous one for 12 years, I was advised to notify Immigration of my new permanent address by submitting a TM28 form, which I did (by mail).  I received a receipt which states that they have "received notice of change of address".  It seems really quite simple.

[Krataiboy]

On 11/4/2018 at 9:36 AM, Tanoshi said:

Only in the case where there is no Immigration office in that Province.

 

The house – master , the owner or the possessor of the residence , or the hotel manager
where the alien , receiving permission to stay temporary in the Kingdom has stayed , must notify the
competent official of the Immigration Office located in the same area with that hours , dwelling place or
hotel, within 24 hours from the time of arrival of the alien concerned. If there is no Immigration Office
located in that area , the local police official for that area must be notified.

 

From my own previous experience, the local Police Stations are oblivious to this requirement.

From my own previous experience, the local Police Stations are oblivious to this requirement.

 

So, apparently, are most falangs who have friends or relatives to stay with them over here. I don't know any who bother reporting temporary, short-term guests and I have yet to hear of any running into trouble as a result of not doing so.

[AYJAYDEE]

2 minutes ago, Krataiboy said:

From my own previous experience, the local Police Stations are oblivious to this requirement.

 

So, apparently, are most falangs who have friends or relatives to stay with them over here. I don't know any who bother reporting temporary, short-term guests and I have yet to hear of any running into trouble as a result of not doing so.

I certainly do and our local police have become quite used to our visits

 

[Tanoshi]

13 minutes ago, Krataiboy said:

So, apparently, are most falangs who have friends or relatives to stay with them over here. I don't know any who bother reporting temporary, short-term guests and I have yet to hear of any running into trouble as a result of not doing so.

That depends if they have any need to visit an Immigration office during their stay.

Lots of reports of 'visitors' applying for a 30 day extension and being fined because a TM30 wasn't filed.

 

When my family visit, they enter my address on their TM6 as their place of residence.

When they arrive I file a TM30.

The law has now been complied with by both the visitor and the House master.

 

Entirely up to you if you want to bury your head in the sand and ignore the law.

[AYJAYDEE]

1 minute ago, Tanoshi said:

That depends if they have any need to visit an Immigration office during their stay.

Lots of reports of 'visitors' applying for a 30 day extension and being fined because a TM30 wasn't filed.

 

When my family visit, they enter my address on their TM6 as their place of residence.

When they arrive I file a TM30.

The law has now been complied with by both the visitor and the House master.

 

Entirely up to you if you want to bury your head in the sand and ignore the law.

ditto us

 

[Krataiboy]

33 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

That depends if they have any need to visit an Immigration office during their stay.

Lots of reports of 'visitors' applying for a 30 day extension and being fined because a TM30 wasn't filed.

 

When my family visit, they enter my address on their TM6 as their place of residence.

When they arrive I file a TM30.

The law has now been complied with by both the visitor and the House master.

 

Entirely up to you if you want to bury your head in the sand and ignore the law.

Yes, visitors applying for a visa extension is an obvious trigger. Otherwise I think the head is pretty comfortable in the sand.

[Krataiboy]

53 minutes ago, AYJAYDEE said:

I certainly do and our local police have become quite used to our visits

 

I just can't shake off that old Maxim drilled into me in the Army. . . never volunteer!

[AYJAYDEE]

1 minute ago, Krataiboy said:

I just can't shake off that old Maxim drilled into me in the Army. . . never volunteer!

or perhaps the feeling of powerlessness and lack of control over their own life drives folks to refusing to do what "the man" requires in a sad attempt at rebellion to reclaim their sense of self.

[Tanoshi]

16 minutes ago, Krataiboy said:

Yes, visitors applying for a visa extension is an obvious trigger. Otherwise I think the head is pretty comfortable in the sand.

The problem with sticking one's head in the sand is, it leaves your backside, back pocket and wallet vulnerable to IO's.   ????

[tgeezer]

If Immigration wants to give you a hard time they can require you to do almost anything. Sometimes as in the case of householder’s report, they have made it the foreigner’s responsibility, in some cases they have not,


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[brewsterbudgen]

That depends if they have any need to visit an Immigration office during their stay.
Lots of reports of 'visitors' applying for a 30 day extension and being fined because a TM30 wasn't filed.
 
When my family visit, they enter my address on their TM6 as their place of residence.
When they arrive I file a TM30.
The law has now been complied with by both the visitor and the House master.
 
Entirely up to you if you want to bury your head in the sand and ignore the law.

What a pain. There are not too many reasons to be grateful about living in Bangkok, but not having to do TM30 reporting is certainly one of them!

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[Solingen]

Hello forum members! I am new to this forum but not a newbie to Thailand. I have a story about this registration at local police station that maybe can help someone else to do the right thing when reporting adress/residence. I was staying in Phuket for over a year, than decided to move to my wifes home in Prathai, about 90 km. from Korat (in Korat province). When i moved there i decided to do everything by the book. I have read this about report to police station in area if there is no immigration office. Happy to not need to go all the way to Korat i entered the police staion in Prathai with my TM28 and TM30. The staff there had to ask a senior officer to help me because all staff there could not handle the issue. The senior officer took my papers and start writing a lot of information in his computer. He also asked my wife a lot of questions about me and her home. When he was finished he printed a paper from computer wich, like a ”private letter” described my situation there. This should alredy there have wake up my varning bell but did not.

 

When it was time for my 90 day report i went to immigration office in Korat. There things start to go wrong. The officer handling 90 day ,say something was wrong. He send me to an investigation officer instead. That one had a bad day as we all can have some days. The officer told me that i was registered in Phuket and he wanted me to pay a fine of 5000b. He also considered to fine my wife for not reporting me in her home. I explained to him about the visit at police station in Prathai and also showed him the paper from police. Hes reaction come quickly. He told me that first of all the word area is same as province so to report to police station is wrong. I know that it is no idea to be angry so i started to nicely discuss with him about i think it was unfair to fine me so much when i try to do what i think was correct. Than he changed his thinking a little bit and said maybe he can share the fine in two, and fine me 2500 and the police in Prathai 2500! A little bit funny. After some ”negotiation” the fines was forgotten for all involved but the bottom line for me is i never do this in a police station again.

I stay on 1 year OA.

 

[MartinL]

On 11/4/2018 at 11:23 PM, AYJAYDEE said:

We live 60 km from the nearest immigration office and so we go to our local police station to file a TM30. they fill out the receipt at the bottom and give it to me and I keep it in my passport. When I have had dealings with immigration, they have been satisfied to see this receipt and have given us no trouble.

I realise this is an old(ish) thread but ...

 

Pretty much as AYJAYDEE says. I live 80 km from my nearest IO, 300 metres from local cop shop. All my TM30 reports are done at the police station within 24 hours. On my next visit to the IO, which has been as much as 3 months later for a 90-Day, I show them the Police Station report, which they're quite happy with, and they give me one of their own. I then keep both in my passport.

 

It's never been any problem at all for TM30s from the time they got more serious about it; in 2016, 2018 and finally this week, 21 March 2019.

 

This is Khon Kaen Immigration.