marcusarelus Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 (edited) 13 minutes ago, direction BANGKOK said: Not true, at least as far as i know. No association of the adjective "white" in "cow man gai". Try it. Results guaranteed. Unless you are a fluent Thai speaker how do you have the audacity to contradict me? Edited November 6, 2018 by marcusarelus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
direction BANGKOK Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 8 minutes ago, marcusarelus said: It is steamed not grilled and normally pre cooked and held in a glass enclosure at a temperature designed for rapid bacteria growth (not too hot or not too cold). You forgot "ideal fly/nat entrapment receptacles". ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
direction BANGKOK Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 6 minutes ago, marcusarelus said: Try it. Results guaranteed. Unless you are a fluent Thai speaker how do you have the audacity to contradict me? Try what? I am all ears. Are you saying ordering "cow man gai" will result in only white chicken breast being served in Thailand, 100% of the time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyTheMook Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 7 minutes ago, Denim said: Who sells chicken eggs is : " kry kai ky gy " Thai ppl struggle saying that fast 3 times. Learning ain't easy........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gandtee Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 26 minutes ago, direction BANGKOK said: I am gonna sum this cow man gai thing up. You go to a cow man gai street food stall. You order cow man gai. I dish come out with a bunch of dark chicken meat, but you do not care for dark meat. Now, you can point and grunt and that is great. But in Thai words how do you tell him you only want white chicken breast? Saying "white" in thai does not work, I will tell you that right now. I got some good advice once and you can say "my ow nang". This seems to help, but it really is not perfect as it means without skin. What does all this mean? What am I rambling on about? I am getting up there, I do not have the patience to learn a language anymore where it isn't exceedingly easy to say "I want chicken breast". My bad, I know that, but that is my answer to the original question. I have to study Thai for a decade just to efficiently say "chicken breast", THAT is why i personally do not know more Thai. I would suggest that if you copy the picture of Cow man gai on this thread to your camera if you have one, and show it to your vendor. Mee mai krup? If the answer is Mai mee, well hard luck. The vendor may point you to where you may buy it though. Here endeth the first lesson.???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcusarelus Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 (edited) 14 minutes ago, direction BANGKOK said: Try what? I am all ears. Are you saying ordering "cow man gai" will result in only white chicken breast being served in Thailand, 100% of the time? If you order cow men gai and they give it to you with dark meat hand it back and say, "yak see cow cup or ka depending on your gender orientation." Chicken breast is, "Oak Gai" Edited November 6, 2018 by marcusarelus 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
direction BANGKOK Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, marcusarelus said: If you order cow men gai and they give it to you with dark meat hand it back and say, "yak see cow cup or ka depending on your gender orientation." Chicken breast is, "Oak Gai" A couple of points here. First, thank you. I have copied your post to my Thai notes which have had varying success. Second, I believe you are about the fourth knowledgeable Thai speaker, the others it was their native language, who has instructed me on how to order this way, all with different phrases and words interestingly enough. That does not mean yours is wrong of course! But, it does bolster my original point that if learning "i want chicken breast" in Thai can be this complicated, why the hell would i bother? I much prefer a continued regiment of pointing and grunting, which has the added benefit that it seems to go well with the Isaan dialects. Edited November 6, 2018 by direction BANGKOK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritManToo Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 1 hour ago, direction BANGKOK said: Not true, at least as far as i know. No association of the adjective "white" in "cow man gai". rice cooked in chicken fat is what I make of 'cow man gai' (rice fat chicken) What goes with it ...... up to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owl sees all Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 32 minutes ago, marcusarelus said: If you order cow men gai and they give it to you with dark meat hand it back and say, "yak see cow cup or ka depending on your gender orientation." Chicken breast is, "Oak Gai" It is getting close to Xmas. So, how would you say "turkey breast on a stick please"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritManToo Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 10 minutes ago, owl sees all said: It is getting close to Xmas. So, how would you say "turkey breast on a stick please"? ok gai ngoo-wang tort kap 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieH Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 Guys, there is too much "thai language" translation etc creeping in here and its starting to derail into a translation thread. Back to the topic please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nausea Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 They live in English speaking environments, if you need to learn Thai to survive, you will learn it. Apart from those naturally gifted, why on earth would anyone learn Thai if they didn't need to. Their culture is borrowed, and English, Spanish, French, Mandarin, Japanese, German, Pali or even Latin, are far more valuable culturally. Personally, I strive to increase my English language skills, I fail miserably, but French and Latin, and a little bit of German, are useful. The last thing I need is to fall backwards by understanding the nuances of Thsi slang. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puwa Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, marcusarelus said: Try it. Results guaranteed. Unless you are a fluent Thai speaker how do you have the audacity to contradict me? I have the audacity. Some cringeworthy misunderstandings here. I'll start with the chicken. "Kow-man" refers to the preparation of the rice, which is steamed in chicken broth (literally, "oily rice"). That's why it has the oily texture and great taste. You can customize your order by specifying that you want your chicken skinless, or don't want the congealed blood on the side, or the liver, or a combination of steamed and fried chicken if available. Next, no one refers to northern Thai language as "Lanna," except in reference to the old orthography, the Lanna script. The language is "kam muang," spoken by "kon muang"-- how northerners refer to themselves. Muang refers to the old kingdom as defined by the influence of the governing city. Kon muang means people of the kingdom, kam muang literally means "words of the kingdom." As to the assertion that no one speaks only northern Thai, villages in the north are filled with old-timers who only speak kam muang. Depending on who their neighbors are, they may know other regional languages, like various forms of Karen, known as bwak'nyawklo. (Karieng, by the way, is a pejorative term for Karen. The proper term in Thai is byagayaw.) Edited November 6, 2018 by Puwa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcusarelus Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 20 minutes ago, Puwa said: I have the audacity. Some cringeworthy misunderstandings here. I'll start with the chicken. "Kow-man" refers to the preparation of the rice, which is steamed in chicken broth (literally, "oily rice"). That's why it has the oily texture and great taste. You can customize your order by specifying that you want your chicken skinless, or don't want the congealed blood on the side, or the liver, or a combination of steamed and fried chicken if available. Next, no one refers to northern Thai language as "Lanna," except in reference to the old orthography, the Lanna script. The language is "kam muang," spoken by "kon muang"-- how northerners refer to themselves. Muang refers to the old kingdom as defined by the influence of the governing city. Kon muang means people of the kingdom, kam muang literally means "words of the kingdom." As to the assertion that no one speaks only northern Thai, villages in the north are filled with old-timers who only speak kam muang. Depending on who their neighbors are, they may know other regional languages, like various forms of Karen, known as bwak'nyawklo. (Karieng, by the way, is a pejorative term for Karen. The proper term in Thai is byagayaw.) What did you contradict? I bet you don't know. So go back and look it up. Still it serves no purpose as the thread is about, "Why are expats so bad in Thai?" I tried to help a guy order some food the way he liked it. My intention was pure and only intended to help and foster peace and tranquility in Thailand. The person who asked my advice told me it was incorrect without trial and based on a lack of knowledge. I think his post and yours are good examples of why expats are so bad in Thai. Him for not wanting anyone to really answer his question as it was not really a question but a commentary on Thais being less smart than he and you for not wanting to answer the topic of this thread because you wanted to demonstrate your superiority of linguistic knowledge. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Dwyer Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 Personally I started to learn Thai 2 1/2 years ago and was keen as mustard using Learn Thai from a White Guy , High Speed Thai and Thai Pod 101.But I struggled to progress and decided to have a break and let the little I had learnt to be put into practice.Plus, my gf speaks passable English so I concentrated on improving her language skills ( at her request ).So, now I should be getting back onto studying Thai, but, I’ve become complacent and am happy with the way things are right now.Sooo, to answer the OP’s question, in my case it is laziness [emoji20] 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puwa Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 1 hour ago, marcusarelus said: What did you contradict? I bet you don't know. So go back and look it up. <removed> Anyway, having engaged with you, I can answer the original question of why expats are bad at Thai: 1) arrogance (how dare you contradict me!); 2) embarrassment (quick! change the topic); 3) resentment of expats who do know the language (you're just showing off). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieH Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 Off topic removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melvinmelvin Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 43 minutes ago, Puwa said: <removed> Anyway, having engaged with you, I can answer the original question of why expats are bad at Thai: 1) arrogance (how dare you contradict me!); 2) embarrassment (quick! change the topic); 3) resentment of expats who do know the language (you're just showing off). thats a comment I understand fine little of Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpatDraco Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 There is English, and then there is English. I disagree. This is why most foreign (EU) people who think they can speak English are actually terrible at all the finer points. English is an incredibly diverse language, full of nuance and best of all, the ability to say something without actually saying it: sarcasm (especially) confounds (and frustrates) every foreign speaker I have met - no matter their status in life. Don't want to even start talking about comedy, or sense of humor...Wait... UK English vs US English vs OZ English? [emoji28] 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tweedle dee Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 9 hours ago, ExpatDraco said: Wait... UK English vs US English vs OZ English? Fair dinkum cobber ???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tweedle dee Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 I may stand corrected but i think our German buddy's seem to get there 'heads' round the language much easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAKAPALITA Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 When you can speak Thai its still difficult to find common ground for a conversation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andre47 Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 55 minutes ago, Tweedle dee said: I may stand corrected but i think our German buddy's seem to get there 'heads' round the language much easier. I don't think so. It is all about motivation and discipline. If you want you can do too. ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BobbyL Posted November 7, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 7, 2018 49 minutes ago, HAKAPALITA said: When you can speak Thai its still difficult to find common ground for a conversation. Very good point. I think realistically I am never going to befriend many Thais. My wife's family seem to chat about food (which I can be part of) or the absolute gash on TV (which I want no part of). 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangsaenguy Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 Why English? Do I not recall that Thailand's self appointed PM state that in a few years that the Thai language would be the most widely spoken language in the world? I think I read that on this forum 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tweedle dee Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, andre47 said: I don't think so. It is all about motivation and discipline. If you want you can do too. ???? I arrived Chiang mai 14 years ago stayed 2 years and started to learn a bit BUT most Thais up there wanted to chat in English...i then moved down to Rangsit and they had different tones then after 2 years there i move to a county called Prasat a satellite town Surin province...guess what, they didnt understand a word i had learned other than sawasdee krub no way was i going to get my head around 3 + styles ..i know enough to eat and drink and its staying that way.???? Edited November 7, 2018 by Tweedle dee 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melvinmelvin Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 5 minutes ago, Tweedle dee said: I arrived Chiang mai 14 years ago stayed 2 years and started to learn a bit BUT most Thais up there wanted to chat in English...i then moved down to Rangsit and they had different tones then after 2 years there i move to a county called Prasat a satellite town Surin province...guess what, they didnt understand a word i had learned other than sawasdee krub no way was i going to get my head around 3 + styles ..i know enough to eat and drink and its staying that way.???? you've already done lanna and central, now you are in laos land Khmer could be useful in Prasat, get on with it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcusarelus Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 1 hour ago, bangsaenguy said: Why English? Do I not recall that Thailand's self appointed PM state that in a few years that the Thai language would be the most widely spoken language in the world? I think I read that on this forum Not what he said. You old? Happens. Short term memory goes first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seancbk Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 19 hours ago, direction BANGKOK said: 19 hours ago, seancbk said: If you go to a food stall that sells "cow man gai" and ask for it that is what they will give you. If they don't then either that isn't one of their dishes or you are saying it very wrong. I suspect you are trying to order from a vendor that doesn't actually do that specific dish. That is not it. Maybe some folks are skipping words above. This is about not being able to order white chicken breasts at times. I am talking about stalls that only serve cow man gai. If you are at a stall only serving Cow Man Gai then why are you having a problem getting white chicken breast? That should be all they sell, unless you are at a strange Cow man gai stand. Chicken breast is 'Ock Gai' Try saying that. The Thai for 'white meat' is about 7 words long and I'm not sure it only refers to Chicken. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tweedle dee Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 27 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said: you've already done lanna and central, now you are in laos land Khmer could be useful in Prasat, get on with it I dont eat bettle nut and still have most of my teeth, i have NO chance ey ! ???? TD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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