What she wants to say is that they wish to replicate the China method, stealing and forcing tech transfer and to then kick the nasty farang out as quickly as possible. 

Then you haven't followed the situation in China regarding foreign workforce and investment.
Just recently the Chinese government removed the 50% cap for foreign investment and no need to form a joint venture anymore.
Another thing, altough just one example.
The Transrapid magnetic train has been built and acquired by the Chinese because the German government was too stupid too built it in our country.

Probably intended for Jack Ma Chinese workers not Farang so don't get to excited.

13 hours ago, the guest said:

Its an "Asian Thing" because of their really bad experience from the west, you know the empire and all. Can you blame them for being xenophobic?

Yes !

20 hours ago, 300sd said:

Great....please, as soon as you get some, I need a welder, who can weld, a electrician who can wire a house properly, a roofer who can keep the rain out, a road construction crew who will put enough pavement down to keep the road usable for more then one year, skilled commercial public transport drivers who can get me safely everywhere, not to mention a good captain who can keep my family from China safer, (if I had a family from China), what about a skilled police force who might keep me feeling secure, in this beloved country.........

 

oh never mind, just dreaming!

 

one could extrapolate = largely incompetent society. good thing you are not talking about thailand

More talk.  Where does one even go to find out about such job opportunities ?  Thailand lacks a welcoming work environment that exists in neighboring countries.  

Re international experience

Almost all of my fellow students decide to make an exchange semester in Japan.
Because it is "in".
Unfortunately they don't offer Korea otherwise they would all go there, believe me.
And why?
To make an extended holiday on cost of the university and polish their Facebook and instagram with travel pictures

13 hours ago, the guest said:

Its an "Asian Thing" because of their really bad experience from the west, you know the empire and all. Can you blame them for being xenophobic?

I think the last wave was Chinese (we're at v2.0 right now): https://newleftreview.org/II/97/benedict-anderson-riddles-of-yellow-and-red

I've always wondered, but never could find any evidence...

 

Is there actually any kind of licensing or certification scheme here for ANY of the skilled trades occupations held by Thais?

 

I don't mean doctors or engineers. But I mean more ordinary things like electricians, plumbers, contractors, mechanics, carpenters, etc etc?  As best as I can tell, no such system exists where any local holding any of those kinds of jobs has to actually prove to anyone they know what they're doing or are doing it in accord with any particular set of established standards...

 

Certification, license, continuing education???  

 

Edited November 24, 20187 yr by TallGuyJohninBKK

1 hour ago, CLW said:

 

 

Re international experience

Almost all of my fellow students decide to make an exchange semester in Japan.
Because it is "in".
Unfortunately they don't offer Korea otherwise they would all go there, believe me.
And why?
To make an extended holiday on cost of the university and polish their Facebook and instagram with travel pictures

That is far more than I have experienced or would have even expected.  At least one or two might want to learn Japanese.  The Thais I work with are talented and work outside of Thailand periodically, but there are far too few of them.  With the junta in power for the foreseeable future, Thais should take every opportunity to better themselves outside of Thailand. 

1 hour ago, CLW said:

And why?
To make an extended holiday on cost of the university and polish their Facebook and instagram with travel pictures

 

 

Well, at least they have their priorities straight, and are taking care of the important stuff!  

7 hours ago, Fex Bluse said:

Many expats find that Thais, especially the Thai-Chinese that dominate the business landscape, are insufferable to work with. 

 

Imagine being born in a country where

 

* 99% of the population is kept dumb

* almost nobody is ambitious 

* nobody ever corrects or challenges you

 

As a Thai, you develop an unfounded arrogance and can't tolerate anyone, and especially a foreigner, telling you anything. 

 

That is what working in Thailand will be like and most highly intelligent expats will not tolerate it well. 

I know this is a Thai forum and talking about Thai culture where it embraces the work place but all the above infers that the Thai worker is quite unique in this 'unfounded arrogance' and intolerance.

 

Luckily, I have avoided working much in member madusa's 'dreamland' but I have worked extensively in Vietnam, dealing with state-owned clients. After a few months there, it was very apparent that simply telling them what to do didn't quite go the whole 9 yards and any rebuke, or pointing out their mistakes always went very badly regardless of how politely it was done or if even if it was done one-on-one with the twunt who had his head up his ass.

 

The subtle art of making suggestions and painting laborious 'what if' scenarios based on my extensive years reinventing wheels all over the planet, although sometimes tedious and time consuming, usually had the desired effect. After carefully placing these random hints and notions along the way, the aforementioned dunderhead would suddenly appear to have his own, personal epiphany and come up with 'his' practical solution to whatever huge toe-stub he had invented in the first place. In the meantime, I would be genuflecting at the sheer brilliance of their decision, knowing that the client will be signing my invoice regardless of who got the kudos while later, I would treat myself to an extra double Jack Daniels at the bar.

 

...and bill them for it.

On 11/23/2018 at 3:22 AM, Vacuum said:

To put it harsh; they have no skilled workers.

BS!  get put of the bars. Ive worked in thailand industrail sector for over 20 years. Ive met allot of great thai engineers, machinest, welders etc. 

 

9 hours ago, hotchilli said:

At 315 baht per 12 hour day don't hold your breath that there will be a stampede of volunteers anytime soon

That is for non-skilled workers, factories pay 500+ a day for skilled workers.

On 11/23/2018 at 2:57 PM, Lacessit said:

I'm retired, and would be quite happy to teach specific subjects such as chemistry and statistics part-time for a modest wage. However, the amount of paperwork I would have to complete and maintain means - forget it.

Im with you there, I have tons of skills I could employ.

 

And paperwork, no problem.

 

But then I would HAVE to get up in the morning. And HAVE to be somewhere. and HAVE to deal with people. and HAVE to do things in general.

 

Im here so I dont HAVE to anything other than what i want.

 An easy resolution to their problem Its so obvious they will not choose it Hire all the retirees there in Thailand You have a vast pool of highly educated highly skilled people  They would be a massive boost to the Thai economy But no they will look for harder unattainable solutions

3 hours ago, realenglish1 said:

 An easy resolution to their problem Its so obvious they will not choose it Hire all the retirees there in Thailand You have a vast pool of highly educated highly skilled people  They would be a massive boost to the Thai economy But no they will look for harder unattainable solutions

They prefer new farangs who don't know much about Thais and who are likely to think that every smoking Thai is friendly. 

 

Once we stop reacting to their plastic smiles, we are a threat to them. 

6 hours ago, ericthai said:

BS!  get put of the bars. Ive worked in thailand industrail sector for over 20 years. Ive met allot of great thai engineers, machinest, welders etc. 

 

If that is the case, then can you give examples of Thai innovation in the areas you've worked? Any examples of Thai innovative technology adopted outside Thailand? 

 

"Thailand needs around 2.3 million more skilled employees to work in innovative and technological industries, robotics, and the health and food industries. "

A LACK OF SKILLED WORKERS!

  

An understatement.

 

There seems to be a massive lack of unskilled Thai workers including health and safety issues, not forgetting consideration, customer care and respect by all concerned. A simple glance could justify that statement. 

 

Would both immigration plus Thai labour laws change to help improve all walks of life, such as working conditions, employee rights and pay etc.. plus the mind set,  high so (ATM) attitude toward foreigners?

 

Sadly, I doubt it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

13 minutes ago, Sonhia said:

A LACK OF SKILLED WORKERS!

  

An understatement.

 

There seems to be a massive lack of unskilled Thai workers including health and safety issues, not forgetting consideration, customer care and respect by all concerned. A simple glance could justify that statement. 

 

Would both immigration plus Thai labour laws change to help improve all walks of life, such as working conditions, employee rights and pay etc.. plus the mind set,  high so (ATM) attitude toward foreigners?

 

Sadly, I doubt it.

And, same can be said of A Lack of Skilled Leaders 

On 11/23/2018 at 3:32 PM, Fex Bluse said:

Same with almost every profession. Asians, and especially Chinese and their derivative countries like Thailand and most of Southeast Asia, don't pay. Their model is that only the owners (who are generally related or extremely close) get the lion's share and let the workers get as little as they can get away with paying them. 

Exactly the same in US. If you're not on the high end of the skills and abilities ladder, you're starving. Half the nation makes 30k or less.

The salary level would be 200-300 / month for my skills there, I think MAX. In the 'west' I earn well north of 1 million. Why would I move to Thailand? Sun, beaches, cheap life? Easier to work on NON-IMM-O online, and travel frequently back to my home country to meet the customers.

 

 

You would earn 1 million a month back in the west?? Sterling? Dollars? Baht? Satang?

 

 

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1 hour ago, Number 6 said:

Exactly the same in US. If you're not on the high end of the skills and abilities ladder, you're starving. Half the nation makes 30k or less.

I think we are saying different things. I'm saying that in Asia, even if your skills are high on the skills ladder, unless you are an owner or otherwise connected, the owners will pay relatively poorly for those skills.

 

That is most certainly not true in tbr US, in my experience. And, by the way, I would not expect many fundamental things about the Thai and US economies to be similar - or maybe the economic performances and prosperity would be similar (per capita or other relative measure) which they are certainly not. 

9 hours ago, realenglish1 said:

 An easy resolution to their problem Its so obvious they will not choose it Hire all the retirees there in Thailand You have a vast pool of highly educated highly skilled people  They would be a massive boost to the Thai economy But no they will look for harder unattainable solutions

That's just too funny. Can you imagine the ruckus when these old farts who normally whine about 90-day reports, income letters, the loss of their favorite imported teabags at Tesco-Lotus and the price of Chang have to suddenly add dealing with their local labor office to their list of hardships? TV would need to invest in some serious servers to handle all that extra bloviating.

12 hours ago, ericthai said:

BS!  get put of the bars. Ive worked in thailand industrail sector for over 20 years. Ive met allot of great thai engineers, machinest, welders etc. 

 

Agree.....worked in Oil&Gas....and many of the high tech welders being Thais are excellent, with all exotic metals

37 minutes ago, ChrisY1 said:

Agree.....worked in Oil&Gas....and many of the high tech welders being Thais are excellent, with all exotic metals

They are looking for knowledge workers, not Somchai the welder or Somkrit that factory worker or Pornpap the massage lady or Nuknok the hair salon lady. 

 

What they need, according to them, is quoted below from the article. 

 

"Thailand needs around 2.3 million more skilled employees to work in innovative and technological industries, robotics, and the health and food industries."

 

So, can anyone, please, kindly note at least 2 recent Thai innovations - adopted outside Thailand in some industrial capacity? Nobody can because Thailand doesn't produce the people who can innovate on a global scale. That's the point of the article. 

Edited November 25, 20187 yr by Fex Bluse

7 hours ago, Number 6 said:

Exactly the same in US. If you're not on the high end of the skills and abilities ladder, you're starving. Half the nation makes 30k or less.

...and yet, the great personal debt is staggering. 

Most are two/three weeks from being on the street.

...and yet, the great personal debt is staggering. 
Most are two/three weeks from being on the street.

Wow, that’s interesting!!
How do you know that?


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5 hours ago, Fex Bluse said:

"Thailand needs around 2.3 million more skilled employees to work in innovative and technological industries, robotics, and the health and food industries."

 

So, can anyone, please, kindly note at least 2 recent Thai innovations - adopted outside Thailand in some industrial capacity? Nobody can because Thailand doesn't produce the people who can innovate on a global scale. That's the point of the article. 

Last time I saw somebody point out a couple of Thai software developers it was for their contributions for Adobe's products. I think it was in the late 90's. Been very quiet since.

Relevant reports for Thailand's Science, Technology, Innovation challenges. 

 

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9 hours ago, NanLaew said:

That's just too funny. Can you imagine the ruckus when these old farts who normally whine about 90-day reports, income letters, the loss of their favorite imported teabags at Tesco-Lotus and the price of Chang have to suddenly add dealing with their local labor office to their list of hardships? TV would need to invest in some serious servers to handle all that extra bloviating.

Plus, they do fancy themselves in quite an illusional manner...

 

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