U.S.-Mexico border crossing closed after migrant protest halted in Tijuana

[Berkshire]

45 minutes ago, CMNightRider said:

The only bad thing that is happening at the border between Mexico and the US, is a large group of people from other countries trying to enter the US illegally.  If I were trying to seek asylum, I certainly wouldn't join a few thousand people and try to rush the border. 

  

You do understand why they're entering the US by caravan, don't you?  How you or I would seek asylum isn't particularly relevant. 

 

[For her, however, the caravan is about safety in numbers.

Drug gangs and corrupt government officials are known to prey upon Central American migrants in Mexico. There have been robberies, kidnappings, even massacres. The route north is especially dangerous for women. According to Amnesty International, 60 percent of migrant women and girls from the nations of Honduras, El Salvador and Guatemala are raped while migrating.]

 

https://www.thedailybeast.com/migrants-say-the-caravan-is-the-safest-way-to-get-to-the-us-for-asylum?ref=wrap

 

[sawadeeken]

5 hours ago, Tug said:

Won’t take Donald long to give us a black eye on this one over here cnn is saying rubber bullets were used yes folks that’s against women and children seeking asylum 

Those 'Central American Thugs' are doing quite a bit more than seeking asylum........... and THEY are taking the women and children along hoping to 'hide behind' them.........

I dislike Trump also...... BUT ..... we can't allow people like this 'Majority forceful MALE' gang of hoodlums to win a situation like they are doing..... forcefully...... and then it set a precedence for future caravans.......

MY Thai wife immigrated her sister to the USA and doing it the proper way it took just under 13 years for them to be approved....... Why should these caravan people, gross majority males (with some women and children) go ahead of people who are going the 'proper route????????????????????

[lovelomsak]

3 hours ago, Berkshire said:

You do understand why they're entering the US by caravan, don't you?  How you or I would seek asylum isn't particularly relevant. 

 

[For her, however, the caravan is about safety in numbers.

Drug gangs and corrupt government officials are known to prey upon Central American migrants in Mexico. There have been robberies, kidnappings, even massacres. The route north is especially dangerous for women. According to Amnesty International, 60 percent of migrant women and girls from the nations of Honduras, El Salvador and Guatemala are raped while migrating.]

 

https://www.thedailybeast.com/migrants-say-the-caravan-is-the-safest-way-to-get-to-the-us-for-asylum?ref=wrap

 

Maybe the women are raped by people from the caravan. How can a stranger walk into a caravan camp and rape some one. Would be all but impossible huh.

[IAMHERE]

Every time I've been to the US Embassy in Bangkok there has been an extended line of applicants. Wonder what some of those Thai's would say about 'rushing' the border to get into the US ?

[canthai55]

Seems many in America would do well to read the Pledge of Allegiance. Here is Red Skeltons remarks in the House, Flag Day 1972, on what it means to him ...

And justice—The principle or quality of dealing fairly with others

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance

Doubt he had the use of tear gas and rubber bullets against women and children in mind.

 

[Berkshire]

32 minutes ago, lovelomsak said:

Maybe the women are raped by people from the caravan. How can a stranger walk into a caravan camp and rape some one. Would be all but impossible huh.

Did you read the article?  It says these people are traveling by caravan to avoid being attacked if traveling in small numbers. 

[lovelomsak]

4 hours ago, Berkshire said:

According to Amnesty International, 60 percent of migrant women and girls from the nations of Honduras, El Salvador and Guatemala are raped while migrating.]

 

57 minutes ago, Berkshire said:

Did you read the article?  It says these people are traveling by caravan to avoid being attacked if traveling in small numbers. 

I read 60% are raped well migrating. Nothing was said about in a caravan ot out of a caravan. So very possible that stat includes caravan rapes  and people going alone or in small numbers.

  When some one can show the stats for caravan versus others the 6o% can easily relate to caravans.

 To think other wise is nieve.

Edited November 26, 2018 by lovelomsak

[sawadeeken]

1 hour ago, canthai55 said:

Seems many in America would do well to read the Pledge of Allegiance. Here is Red Skeltons remarks in the House, Flag Day 1972, on what it means to him ...

And justice—The principle or quality of dealing fairly with others

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance

Doubt he had the use of tear gas and rubber bullets against women and children in mind.

Women who are not 'stupid' are still at home with their children..... It is well publicised by mexican news as well as other outlets......... that the caravans are a VERY HEAVY majority MEN.... NOT women and children..... There are women and children in the groups for sure, but they are being USED by the others (Men) to 'Hide Behind'....... 

And you swallow their tactics hook, line and sinker when your concentration is on... as you say:  "Doubt he had the use of tear gas and rubber bullets against women and children in mind."

What mother in her right mind???????? is going to take her children to the 'front lines' ??????????????

The Mayor of Tiajuana made the news with "Many in the caravan were arrested for 'use and posession' of Marijuana"......

I suppose you would like to get them out of jail and to the head of the line so they could become your new neighbors ( and steal you blind to support their habits).......... BE CAREFUL that you DON'T get all that you wish for....... LOL ....

[sawadeeken]

And also......... 'Good folks' who want something....... SAY Please........ They DON'T walk up to your table and say "I want your sandwich"..... and push you out of your chair........ That is what these people are doing NOW....... 

What...... Can you guess????? .... Will they Do?????? .....after they get asylum and become our neighbors???????

Edited to add..... In the US we already have TOO MANY of that type of people (and seems most of them like to wear 'HOODIE' sweatshirts..... LOL..... (can you see 'that picture?)

Edited November 26, 2018 by sawadeeken

[bristolboy]

10 minutes ago, sawadeeken said:

 

The Mayor of Tiajuana made the news with "Many in the caravan were arrested for 'use and posession' of Marijuana"......

I suppose you would like to get them out of jail and to the head of the line so they could become your new neighbors ( and steal you blind to support their habits).......... BE CAREFUL that you DON'T get all that you wish for....... LOL ....

Neighbors who smoke marijuana. Too horrible to contemplate. It's like the USA is turning into...Colorado. It's Reefer Madness come true!

[lovelomsak]

15 minutes ago, sawadeeken said:

Women who are not 'stupid' are still at home with their children..... It is well publicised by mexican news as well as other outlets......... that the caravans are a VERY HEAVY majority MEN.... NOT women and children..... There are women and children in the groups for sure, but they are being USED by the others (Men) to 'Hide Behind'....... 

And you swallow their tactics hook, line and sinker when your concentration is on... as you say:  "Doubt he had the use of tear gas and rubber bullets against women and children in mind."

What mother in her right mind???????? is going to take her children to the 'front lines' ??????????????

The Mayor of Tiajuana made the news with "Many in the caravan were arrested for 'use and posession' of Marijuana"......

I suppose you would like to get them out of jail and to the head of the line so they could become your new neighbors ( and steal you blind to support their habits).......... BE CAREFUL that you DON'T get all that you wish for....... LOL ....

You are so right.

 In America and other civilized countries mothers who put their children at such risk would have them taken away and become wards of the State. So here we have women who show the world they are not  any where near a good parent wanting to come to America to practice their poor parenting skills or give their children over to the system.

Edited November 26, 2018 by lovelomsak

[Jingthing]

Every time I've been to the US Embassy in Bangkok there has been an extended line of applicants. Wonder what some of those Thai's would say about 'rushing' the border to get into the US ?

If they know geography they would know "rushing" the US border would be quite a trick from Thailand. Maybe start digging?

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[bristolboy]

1 minute ago, lovelomsak said:

You are so right.

 In America and other civilized countries mothers who put their children at such risk would have them taken away and become wards of the State. So here we have women who show the world they are nor any where near a good parent wanting to come to America to practice their poor parenting skills or give their children over to the system.

Lots of very ignorant and self-rigteous people out there.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/07/09/mothers-explain-fleeing-honduras-with-children/12423979/

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/04/world/americas/mexico-trump-caravan.html

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/06/central-america-border-immigration/563744/

https://www.hrw.org/news/2018/06/25/why-families-flee-central-america-united-states

[riclag]

7 hours ago, khwaibah said:

Mexico deporting nearly 500 migrants after California border blitz

 

Daniel Chaitin

 

1 hr ago

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/mexico-deporting-nearly-500-migrants-after-california-border-blitz/ar-BBQ5K1h?li=BBnb7Kz

This is even better!The back door approach! As the force is in retreat after trying to break through and rush border guards,to enter illegally,     through eyes on the ground and with the aid of video camera's the Mexican side is rounding them all up, detaining them and deporting them!  I hope my government is helping  foot the bill. Maybe felony charges of assault can be brought up for the one's throwing rocks!  

[riclag]

1 hour ago, lovelomsak said:

You are so right.

 In America and other civilized countries mothers who put their children at such risk would have them taken away and become wards of the State. So here we have women who show the world they are not  any where near a good parent wanting to come to America to practice their poor parenting skills or give their children over to the system.

Good point ! A DHS moment! Hey who knows ,they could be facing charges for  child neglect in Mexico!

[riclag]

7 hours ago, CMNightRider said:

The only bad thing that is happening at the border between Mexico and the US, is a large group of people from other countries trying to enter the US illegally.  If I were trying to seek asylum, I certainly wouldn't join a few thousand people and try to rush the border.  

 

I hope border security uses copious amounts of chemical agents and rubber rounds to stop this senseless invasion.  If they don't halt this assault on the US border decisively, others will follow and turn the US into a third world country.

 

  

"Central Americans Among Millions Who Want to Come to U.S."

https://news.gallup.com/poll/244655/central-americans-among-millions.aspx

[canthai55]

1 hour ago, sawadeeken said:

 ( and steal you blind to support their habits).

Would that be a marijuana habit ? 555

[canthai55]

1 hour ago, sawadeeken said:

There are women and children in the groups for sure, but they are being USED by the others (Men) to 'Hide Behind'.......

So ... at what percentage of women and children compared to men is it OK to tear gas and shoot with rubber bullets ?

Inquiring minds want to know ...

[JAG]

Best get on with that wall Mr Trump, if only to stop your paramilitary goons with itchy trigger fingers from firing baton rounds and lobbing tear gas at people who are, after all, in a foreign country.

 

Sadly it is only a matter of time before one of those fellows in a black balaclava (must be jolly uncomfortable in the heat of the Mexican border) loses his cool and either has a ND (negligent discharge) or looses of a burst of 5.56.mm to "warn them".

[riclag]

13 minutes ago, JAG said:

Best get on with that wall Mr Trump, if only to stop your paramilitary goons with itchy trigger fingers from firing baton rounds and lobbing tear gas at people who are, after all, in a foreign country.

 

Sadly it is only a matter of time before one of those fellows in a black balaclava (must be jolly uncomfortable in the heat of the Mexican border) loses his cool and either has a ND (negligent discharge) or looses of a burst of 5.56.mm to "warn them".

Definitely a sad situation for American's who only want people to wait in line like everyone else has for many many years!  I don't feel bad for them . Our authorities are only protecting against border crashing from what appears to be violent people

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sdut-border-patrol-rock-throwing-san-ysidro-2013nov25-story.html

Edited November 26, 2018 by riclag

[Brigand]

What we are starting to see here is lawlessness and the entitlement that people have now and believe they can simply go anywhere and do anything they want to. America has enough homelessness, unemployment and poverty already. If they just let everyone in as the far-left want then another caravan will form and then another until pretty much the whole of Central and South America moves to the north. Simply not a tenable situation as these people are basically economic migrants not asylum seekers...there is a difference and fleeing from gangs or dangerous neighborhoods does not qualify you for asylum. 

[sawadeeken]

1 hour ago, canthai55 said:

So ... at what percentage of women and children compared to men is it OK to tear gas and shoot with rubber bullets ?

Inquiring minds want to know ...

At what ever percent it becomes..... in my opinion.......... Sometimes you must do what you must do...... As our military is doing....... If moms protected their kids it wouldn't be necessary...... When moms put their kids at risk the soldiers can only do so much...... I didn't hear news of a single kid shot...... I don't believe that any of our men would target a kid...... And the tear/pepper gas is not leathal....... So what are you going on about??????? did you hear something that I didn't?????? I didn't hear of a single child that was targeted, did you ???? please Quote it if you did....... The women are not 'Good women" when they subject their child and are in about the same catagory as women who give their children to their partners for sexual pleasures........ That happens too don't you know???? and these women are just as 'vile' and will use some of you excuses to justify what they do..... Can you see the comparison to what I am describing...... KEEP YOUR KIDS OUT OF HARMS WAY, DON'T PUT THEM IN HARMS WAY.....

Edited to add....... DON"T mistake me for a trump supporter...... I AM NOT...........

 

 

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[riclag]

 

Tear gas a chemical weapon can be used lawfully by a law enforcement agency!

 

 

"U.S. agents fired tear gas at a group of migrants on Sunday as they tried to cross into the United States from Tijuana, Mexico".

https://www.npr.org/2018/11/25/670687806/u-s-agents-spray-tear-gas-at-migrants-briefly-close-tijuana-border-entry

 

CBP - It is the mobile, uniformed law enforcement arm of U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP), a component of the United States Department of Homeland Security (DHS). With 19,887 agents, the Border Patrol is one of the largest law enforcement agencies in the United States.

"Tear gas was first used in World War I in chemical warfare, but since its effects are short-lasting and rarely disabling, it came into use by law-enforcement agencies as a means of dispersing mobs, disabling rioters, and flushing out armed suspects without the use of deadly force".

"Chemical Weapons Convention: Aims and terms of the treaty
…example, riot-control agents such as tear gas are prohibited as a method of warfare, but they are permitted if designed strictly for law-enforcement purposes".

https://www.britannica.com/technology/tear-gas

 

[sawadeeken]

1 hour ago, JAG said:

Best get on with that wall Mr Trump, if only to stop your paramilitary goons with itchy trigger fingers from firing baton rounds and lobbing tear gas at people who are, after all, in a foreign country.

 

MR. JAG.......... May I point something out to you that I think you seem to be unaware of....... At many borders of many, or most countries around the globe....... the border consists of, what I seem to recall, is known as 'NO MAN'S LAND'..... THAT IS A FEW HUNDRED FEET ON EACH SIDE OF THE ACTUAL BORDER LINE that is considered by each country as neutral territory, and therefore not Mexico nor USA ---- It is  'NO MAN'S LAND'...  So to 'correct your story our troops WERE NOT shooting at people on Mexican soil (another country)........... Check it out if you don't believe ME............

 

Similaly...........Airports have similar  'NO MAN'S LAND'.... If you fly from Japan to San Francisco and not clear US Customs and Immigration, but connect to a flight to Germany (a simple example) then you have NOT been in the USA at all........ You just made a 'temporary stop in  'NO MAN'S LAND'

Edited to add....... DON"T mistake me for a trump supporter...... I AM NOT...........

 

 

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[riclag]

24 minutes ago, sawadeeken said:

At what ever percent it becomes..... in my opinion.......... Sometimes you must do what you must do...... As our military is doing....... If moms protected their kids it wouldn't be necessary...... When moms put their kids at risk the soldiers can only do so much...... I didn't hear news of a single kid shot...... I don't believe that any of our men would target a kid...... And the tear/pepper gas is not leathal....... So what are you going on about??????? did you hear something that I didn't?????? I didn't hear of a single child that was targeted, did you ???? please Quote it if you did....... The women are not 'Good women" when they subject their child and are in about the same catagory as women who give their children to their partners for sexual pleasures........ That happens too don't you know???? and these women are just as 'vile' and will use some of you excuses to justify what they do..... Can you see the comparison to what I am describing...... KEEP YOUR KIDS OUT OF HARMS WAY, DON'T PUT THEM IN HARMS WAY.....

I believe from sources that the Military wasn't involved, they are only there logistically unless they are attacked then the MP's will use guns to protect them, if necessary   The CBP are the one's using deterrents 

[bristolboy]

If the US doesn't act now, soon these invaders will be occupying lettuce fields in California, slaughterhouses in Iowa,  and construction sites in Texas! This is your last chance, America!

[JAG]

1 hour ago, sawadeeken said:

MR. JAG.......... May I point something out to you that I think you seem to be unaware of....... At many borders of many, or most countries around the globe....... the border consists of, what I seem to recall, is known as 'NO MAN'S LAND'..... THAT IS A FEW HUNDRED FEET ON EACH SIDE OF THE ACTUAL BORDER LINE that is considered by each country as neutral territory, and therefore not Mexico nor USA ---- It is  'NO MAN'S LAND'...  So to 'correct your story our troops WERE NOT shooting at people on Mexican soil (another country)........... Check it out if you don't believe ME............

 

Similaly...........Airports have similar  'NO MAN'S LAND'.... If you fly from Japan to San Francisco and not clear US Customs and Immigration, but connect to a flight to Germany (a simple example) then you have NOT been in the USA at all........ You just made a 'temporary stop in  'NO MAN'S LAND'

Edited to add....... DON"T mistake me for a trump supporter...... I AM NOT...........

 

 

 

I am well aware that, in some but by no means all international borders, there is sometimes a strip of land in between the border markers. That strip of land still belongs to one or other, or is divided between the neighbouring countries. One (or both) just chooses to set their physical markers/fenced back from the actual border.

 

The status of transit passengers at an international airport is totally different - governed by International convention - and completely irrelevant to the matter.

 

There now, and I didn't have to shout once!

[Tug]

Wow there are some really (not allowed to say) people here it is not ok to shoot women and kids EVER it is a crime even in times of war it is murder the problem can be solved it takes courage and leadership sadly lacking at this time how about this make it legal to apply for asylum from your home country that way a potential immigrant could stay at home dodging drug gangs their young daughters could dodge the gangs to!!I doubt many of the (not allowed to say)people here would have the courage to make the journey to try to give there kids a chance at a life vett thease people if it’s bs send them home if it’s valid welcome them and put them to work!

[sawadeeken]

1 hour ago, JAG said:

 

I am well aware that, in some but by no means all international borders, there is sometimes a strip of land in between the border markers. That strip of land still belongs to one or other, or is divided between the neighbouring countries. One (or both) just chooses to set their physical markers/fenced back from the actual border.

 

The status of transit passengers at an international airport is totally different - governed by International convention - and completely irrelevant to the matter.

 

There now, and I didn't have to shout once!

Thank you Mr. JAG for not shouting.......... I will do likewise..........

Your post I was replying to claimed that Our US  border protection agents shot tear gas and rubber bullets at people in MEXICO (another country)   BS     ............. That 'strip of land as you like it disguise it is actually, and factually a 'Neutral zone' that neither country considers it's own ............. so the deterrant shots were fired into a 'neutral zone' and not into another country........ Mexico could claim it an act of war if YOU were correct........... BUT THEY DIDN'T............. LOL .....

[sawadeeken]

14 hours ago, Tug said:

Ahhh guys invaders come in tanks carrying guns and Grenades not mommies holding baby’s trying to strive for a better life glad I could clear that up for you,I think I will keep my feelings that it’s not ok to shoot women and kids

You are trying desperately to capitalize on the US Agents shooting women and children........ That is so warped.......

The women and children were 'repelled' by non lethal gas and rubber bullets and nowhere can you verify that a single child was targeted with rubber bullets ..... You are struggling to prove your accusations and CAN'T do it, Mr, Tug...........

"mommies holding baby’s trying to strive for a better life" to Quote you......... There are approved and tested ways of doing this and it does not involve challenging Law enforcement..........

I could likely take your side of the argument if it was ONLY moms amd babies, BUT we are dealing with 5000 - 6000 here including vicious individuals and those vicious males are using these 'Moms and children' to hide behind.....AND YOU CAN'T SEE IT.......... We didn't harm those 'moms and children' DID WE?????? All we did was to repel them............. What is your argument???????????????????

It's those 'raunchy men' with them that are shoving these women and children up in front for personal gains (and YOU can't see it) and if they win they will only do it MORE...........