evadgib Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, 7by7 said: but Brexiteers are terrified of it? How many more "BRING IT ON" s do you need? Edited March 16, 2019 by evadgib 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7by7 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 4 minutes ago, billd766 said: You were elected by your constituents to represent your constituents feelings and not your own principles Wrong. The UK is a representative democracy; which means MPs are elected as representatives, not delegates. Representatives, whislt representing their constituents, are free to make their own decisons on how they vote (subject to party whips) whilst delegates have to vote the way their constituents tell them to. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7by7 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, evadgib said: 10 minutes ago, 7by7 said: Because you do not give unfavourable answers; you give supercilious excuses for not answering at all! What about everyone else? Some, dick Dasterdly being one, give reasoned respnses and are prepared to engage in debate. You could learn a lot from her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evadgib Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, 7by7 said: Wrong. The UK is a representative democracy; which means MPs are elected as representatives, not delegates. Representatives, whislt representing their constituents, are free to make their own decisons on how they vote (subject to party whips) whilst delegates have to vote the way their constituents tell them to. That is correct in everything except a single issue referendum. Your side are well aware of that but there aren't many with the Character to admit it. Piers Morgan is one notable exception but I'm sure he isn't alone. Edited March 16, 2019 by evadgib 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evadgib Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, 7by7 said: Some, dick Dasterdly being one, give reasoned respnses and are prepared to engage in debate. You could learn a lot from her. Not when it comes to stirring you up ???? I'm not trying at the moment but am reminded of the handovers between Kenny Everett and Robin Ray on Capital radio some years ago every time you log in; "Oh Kenneth, Why do you make me schhhivvver so!" (said with a lissssp ????) He was as bereft of banter or humour as you clearly are on these boards. Edited March 16, 2019 by evadgib 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7by7 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, evadgib said: That is correct in everything except a single issue referendum. Your side are well aware of that but there aren't many with the Character to admit it. Piers Morgan in one notable exception but I'm sure he isn't alone. What has that got to do with billd766's comment? Nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7by7 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 1 minute ago, evadgib said: Not when it comes to stirring you up ???? (I'm not trying at the moment but you more or less bang a dinner gong every time you log in!) Are you admitting to deliberate trolling? Or are you yet again displaying the 'wit' which children find so entertaining? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evadgib Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, 7by7 said: What has that got to do with billd766's comment? Nothing. Correct. It answered yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evadgib Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 (edited) 18 minutes ago, 7by7 said: Are you admitting to deliberate trolling? Or are you yet again displaying the 'wit' which children find so entertaining? <see edit> Edited March 16, 2019 by evadgib Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dick dasterdly Posted March 16, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 16, 2019 31 minutes ago, 7by7 said: The time to make a final decision on such a major event is before it becomes irreversable; not after. If you started to cross the road and suddeny saw a car approaching at high speed, would you say, well I've made my decison, so I'll carry on across the road and let the car hit me; or would you change your mind and turn around? If we are allowed a final say and that final say, now that all the facts about both leaving and tremaioning are better known, is to leave, then so be it. Do you ever wonder why Remainers are not afraid of a second referendum, but Brexiteers are terrified of it? Brexiteers see no reason why the referendum needs to be repeated in the hope that next time the electorate may vote the 'right' way..... More interestingly, MPs (who are desperately searching for a way to remain) aren't keen on another referendum at the moment either, as it's the 'wrong time' apparently. Presumably they think the electorate would still vote leave. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 42 minutes ago, 7by7 said: The time to make a final decision on such a major event is before it becomes irreversable; not after. If you started to cross the road and suddeny saw a car approaching at high speed, would you say, well I've made my decison, so I'll carry on across the road and let the car hit me; or would you change your mind and turn around? I usually try to make sure that cars are not coming at high speed before I cross a road . If that did happen though , I cannot say what I would do , decide what to do if and when it happens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauseus Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 3 hours ago, Grouse said: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/16/nick-boles-resigns-from-conservative-association-brexit Good man, Nick Boles! An MP with conviction! His local party chairman is the quintessential gammon! Good for nothing except sausage meat. Boles is a winker. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauseus Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 1 hour ago, billd766 said: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-47594875 He wrote: "I regret that my relationship with you should end in this way. But a politician without principles is worthless. "I am in no doubt about my duty, which is to be true to my convictions and to dedicate the rest of my time in Parliament to the best interests of the people I was elected to serve." You were elected by your constituents to represent your constituents feelings and not your own principles. If you wanted to be elected for your principles then you should have stood as an independent and told the electorate (if you were elected) that you would decide how YOU wanted to vote and if the electorate didn't like it they could fire you at the next election. That is now a foregone conclusion. Councillor Martin Hill, vice president of the Grantham and Stamford Conservative Association, told members they had been "betrayed by their parliamentary representative" and called on him to take the "honourable course" and quit as an MP. He said the process of selecting a new candidate would start at the group's AGM later this month. He's still a winker. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauseus Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 1 hour ago, 7by7 said: The time to make a final decision on such a major event is before it becomes irreversable; not after. If you started to cross the road and suddeny saw a car approaching at high speed, would you say, well I've made my decison, so I'll carry on across the road and let the car hit me; or would you change your mind and turn around? If we are allowed a final say and that final say, now that all the facts about both leaving and tremaioning are better known, is to leave, then so be it. Do you ever wonder why Remainers are not afraid of a second referendum, but Brexiteers are terrified of it? To answer your last question then just wonder why it us is only remainers that want a second go. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauseus Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 1 hour ago, 7by7 said: Wrong. The UK is a representative democracy; which means MPs are elected as representatives, not delegates. Representatives, whislt representing their constituents, are free to make their own decisons on how they vote (subject to party whips) whilst delegates have to vote the way their constituents tell them to. That really relies on the content of their manifestos. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post nauseus Posted March 16, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 16, 2019 1 hour ago, 7by7 said: Some, dick Dasterdly being one, give reasoned respnses and are prepared to engage in debate. You could learn a lot from her. So could you. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauseus Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 23 hours ago, bomber said: 17 million are free to leave if they dont like the UK govt,democracy still thrives. Have a good trip. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7by7 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 1 hour ago, dick dasterdly said: Brexiteers see no reason why the referendum needs to be repeated in the hope that next time the electorate may vote the 'right' way..... Neither do I. I see the need for a second referendum because the electorate are now much better informed of the consequences of both Brexit and Remain. Consequences the Leave campaign were very careful to hide as much as possible from the electorate, labelling them 'Project Fear' whenever the Remain campaign mentioned any possible adverse ones. In addition; it is leave who have been found guilty of electoral malpractice; that alone should be reason enough to hold another vote. Yes, if there were to be another referendum, of course I'd hope Remain would win. But as I have repeatedly said; if the result of a second referendum is to either leave with a deal of some sort or leave with no deal, then so be it. That would be the result of an informed choice; a choice Parliament seem at the moment incapable of making. That you don't want to give the electorate the chance to make that choice is your decision; but don't argue that refusing them it is democratic! 1 hour ago, dick dasterdly said: More interestingly, MPs (who are desperately searching for a way to remain) aren't keen on another referendum at the moment either, as it's the 'wrong time' apparently. Presumably they think the electorate would still vote leave. Some MPs may be 'desperately searching for a way to remain' but that does not mean the idea of giving the electorate the final say in the matter is undemocratic; the opposite I'd have thought! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7by7 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, sanemax said: I usually try to make sure that cars are not coming at high speed before I cross a road . If that did happen though , I cannot say what I would do , decide what to do if and when it happens Good for you; the sensible approach. Now let's do the same with Brexit and make sure it is the decision which is approved by the majority after an informed vote before it's too late. Edited March 16, 2019 by 7by7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7by7 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 34 minutes ago, nauseus said: To answer your last question then just wonder why it us is only remainers that want a second go. The answer is simple and obvious. Remainers hope that as the electorate are far better informed about all the aspects and consequences of both Remain and Leave that the 2016 decision will be reversed. Whereas Brexiteers are terrified of the same thing! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sanemax Posted March 16, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 16, 2019 1 minute ago, 7by7 said: The answer is simple and obvious. Remainers hope that as the electorate are far better informed about all the aspects and consequences of both Remain and Leave that the 2016 decision will be reversed. Whereas Brexiteers are terrified of the same thing! "Terrified" is rather extreme , but of course Brexiters dont want another vote , why should they ? Remain lost and now want another chance to win . LOL, saying that Brexiters are " terrified" , hopeing that they will prove that they arent scared by agreeing to another referendum ???? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post evadgib Posted March 16, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 16, 2019 (edited) 55 minutes ago, 7by7 said: The answer is simple and obvious. Remainers hope that as the electorate are far better informed about all the aspects and consequences of both Remain and Leave that the 2016 decision will be reversed. Whereas Brexiteers are terrified of the same thing! Another opinion dressed as fact? Edited March 16, 2019 by evadgib 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post nauseus Posted March 16, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 16, 2019 54 minutes ago, 7by7 said: The answer is simple and obvious. Remainers hope that as the electorate are far better informed about all the aspects and consequences of both Remain and Leave that the 2016 decision will be reversed. Whereas Brexiteers are terrified of the same thing! Sorry. No points. The answer was, in fact, that remain lost the first time. Do you have a specialist subject? It's not on my briefing card. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7by7 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 58 minutes ago, 7by7 said: The answer is simple and obvious. Remainers hope that as the electorate are far better informed about all the aspects and consequences of both Remain and Leave that the 2016 decision will be reversed. Whereas Brexiteers are terrified of the same thing! 48 minutes ago, sanemax said: "Terrified" is rather extreme , but of course Brexiters dont want another vote , why should they ? Remain lost and now want another chance to win . LOL, saying that Brexiters are " terrified" , hopeing that they will prove that they arent scared by agreeing to another referendum ???? So if you believe you have nothing to lose, that you will win again; why wont you agree to another referendum and so put the matter beyond all doubt? 26 minutes ago, evadgib said: Another opinion dressed as fact? No; an opinion dressed as an opinion. Dressing opinions as fact is your game, not mine. 3 minutes ago, nauseus said: Sorry. No points. The answer was, in fact, that remain lost the first time. Do you have a specialist subject? It's not on my briefing card. I refer you to my response to sanemax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sanemax Posted March 16, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted March 16, 2019 5 minutes ago, 7by7 said: So if you believe you have nothing to lose, that you will win again; why wont you agree to another referendum and so put the matter beyond all doubt? It was stated BEFORE the referendum quite clearly that there would be one referendum and one referendum only . If there were to be another referendum and Remain won , that would make it 1-1 and there would have to be another referendum to settle it , best out of three 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilcopops Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 15 hours ago, evadgib said: Feranges march starts today. In the meantime here's a timely clip: Farage seems to have misjudged this insult to the Jarrow marchers...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grouse Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 8 hours ago, nauseus said: Boles is a winker. Maybe, but he is a "winker" of conviction. He is an example of how MPs should act. Note he is still taking the CON whip. I think it's great how he has handled the local CONs! Publically poured their G&Ts over their perms.???? Threatening to deselect a sitting MP for their opinions. Shameful. They selected the man, threatening deselection 3 years before the next election is nothing more than bullying. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grouse Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 11 hours ago, sanemax said: Yes, standing down because his constituents didnt want him to represent them because he failed to deliver what they wanted and voted for. He is not resigning as an MP. He is not resigning the CON whip. He has resigned from the local CON association. Good. We WANT MPs of conviction. MPs who will vote according to what they genuinely believe to be best for all their constituents and their country. The man is an exemplar for the role of MP in a parliamentary representative democracy. It is shameful that so many of you don't see this? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grouse Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 10 hours ago, sanemax said: No, once people have voted, they cannot change their minds at a later date . If people vote , they cannot go back a few years later and ask for their vote to be changed , once they've voted, thats it What a silly comment 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grouse Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 10 hours ago, evadgib said: Moves are afoot to de-select Remain MPs in leave constituencies around the country and quite rightly so. I have no idea if it applies the other way round but wouldn't have a problem if it did. Then we should change the constitution. Right now we have s representative democracy the acts as a moron filter. It has worked well for centuries. You want to directly instruct MPs? Why have them at all? We have the technology to enable this. Vote directly on everything! "Computer says no" I blame poor education I do hope that any MP that is threatened in this way resigns from the local party AND crosses the floor ???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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