11 minutes ago, wilcopops said:

An extremely naive comment.

Well perhaps in this instance, you can show,what is incorrect.

As I prefer facts over opinions.

3 hours ago, wilcopops said:

Just installed a new Brexiteer grammar-check....

I've just installed a Remainers cobblers detector.

4 hours ago, wilcopops said:

Just installed a new Brexiteer grammar-check....

My pretentious poster detector has never let me down yet.

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Edited March 16, 20197 yr by evadgib

2 minutes of the best speech ever in HoC.

 

 

9 minutes ago, talahtnut said:

2 minutes of the best speech ever in HoC.

Feranges march starts today. In the meantime here's a timely clip:

 

Edited March 16, 20197 yr by evadgib

13 minutes ago, talahtnut said:

2 minutes of the best speech ever in HoC.

 

 

I found this on another website but it was written down and not narrated.

 

Oliver Cromwell's Speech to the English Parliament
20th April, 1653.

It is high time for me to put an end to your sitting in this place, which you have dishonoured by your contempt of all virtue, and defiled by your practice of every vice; ye are a factious crew, and enemies to all good government; ye are a pack of mercenary wretches, and would like Esau sell your country for a mess of pottage, and like Judas betray your God for a few pieces of money.
Is there a single virtue now remaining amongst you? Is there one vice you do not possess?
Ye have no more religion than my horse; gold is your God; which of you have not barter'd your consience for bribes?Is there a man that has the least care for the good of the Commonwealth?
Ye sordid prostitutes, have you not defil'd this sacred place, and turned the Lord's temple into a den of thieves, by your immoral principles and picked practices? Ye are grown intolerably odious to the whole nation; you were deputed here by the people to get grievances redress'd, are yourselves gone!
So! Take away that shining bauble there, and lock up the doors. In the name of God, go!

Like all brexit rhetoric, easier said than done.

 

The UK government’s no-deal Brexit tariff plan would be “illegal” under World Trade Organisation rules, the EU commissioner in charge of agriculture has said.

Phil Hogan characterised the British plan, which would see no duties levied on goods entering Northern Ireland across the border, as “a political stunt, pure and simple”.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-no-deal-tariff-wto-trade-eu-theresa-may-northern-ireland-a8825076.html

I've just installed a Remainers cobblers detector.

#me too
Damn thing won’t stop flashing and beeping.


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3 hours ago, sandyf said:

Like all brexit rhetoric, easier said than done.

 

The UK government’s no-deal Brexit tariff plan would be “illegal” under World Trade Organisation rules, the EU commissioner in charge of agriculture has said.

Phil Hogan characterised the British plan, which would see no duties levied on goods entering Northern Ireland across the border, as “a political stunt, pure and simple”.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-no-deal-tariff-wto-trade-eu-theresa-may-northern-ireland-a8825076.html

So if we ever get Brexit and it is no deal then we simply slap 100% tariffs on goods in transit from Eire to the EU. They can't whine about that.

 

Then we blame the EU commissioner in charge of agriculture, Phil Hogan.

4 hours ago, Loiner said:

#me too
Damn thing won’t stop flashing and beeping.


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we have a new bus to admire,now you have to believe in Britain,what that means is anyone's guess.Many foreign businesses dont,majority of MPs dont,the markets dont,the EU dont,and millions of folks dont,and i dont,anyone on here going on the march by any chance?

Edited March 16, 20197 yr by bomber

2 minutes ago, bomber said:

we have a new bus to admire,now you have to believe in Britain,what that means is anyone's guess.

Yes, thats a difficult one , wonder what it means ?

I know that Britain means a country , so its definitely something to do with Britain .

Just now need to work out what the other words mean and how they all  fit together

5 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Yes, thats a difficult one , wonder what it means ?

I know that Britain means a country , so its definitely something to do with Britain .

Just now need to work out what the other words mean and how they all  fit together

them 50-100 turkeys beside the bus might know better than me and you,shame i was only about 15 minutes drive from them an few hours ago i could of asked them,how ironic the Nissan factory is only about 2 miles from there i wonder if they call in and ask them if they "believe" ????

20 hours ago, talahtnut said:

No one voted for a deal,  anyway it is treaty not a deal and

doesn't seem that popular in parliament does it, it involves

taxation without representation. Maybe we're all wrong and

you're right.

I expect you will get your way, because the EU is like a jail,

there is no escape.

The main reason May's deal has been defeated yet again in Parliament is because Labour MPs have followed the party line and voted against it or abstained simply because it was presented by a Tory government!

 

But I didn't ask you why it isn't popular in Parliament; I asked you what you had against it and with what you you would replace the parts you were against. In typical Brexiteer fashion, you have dodged the question; you simply wont give a straight answer to a straight question! Is it because you, too, are simply following the party line rather than thinking for yourself?

 

OK, you presumably, voted to leave. So what did you expect to happen with regards to trade with our major trading partner after we left?

 

We need a deal with the EU, they need a deal with us; but we need it more than they do.

 

If signing a trading deal, or treaty if you prefer, with the EU is so disasterous, why do all the world's major trading countries already have one, are negotiating one or want to negotiate one?

 

20 hours ago, talahtnut said:

it involves

taxation without representation.

In what way? The so called divoirce settlement?

 

That is to cover costs already agreed by the democratically elected UK Parliament, the democratically elected Eurupean Parliament or the democratically elected heads of stae in the council of ministers.

 

20 hours ago, talahtnut said:

Maybe we're all wrong and

you're right.

Maybe; but either way at least I present arguments to support my opinion and facts to support my arguments. I also endeavour to give straight answers to straight questions.

 

Perhaps you should try one or the other; preferably both!

11 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

The main reason May's deal has been defeated yet again in Parliament is because Labour MPs have followed the party line and voted against it or abstained simply because it was presented by a Tory government!

 

But I didn't ask you why it isn't popular in Parliament; I asked you what you had against it and with what you you would replace the parts you were against. In typical Brexiteer fashion, you have dodged the question; you simply wont give a straight answer to a straight question! Is it because you, too, are simply following the party line rather than thinking for yourself?

 

OK, you presumably, voted to leave. So what did you expect to happen with regards to trade with our major trading partner after we left?

 

We need a deal with the EU, they need a deal with us; but we need it more than they do.

 

If signing a trading deal, or treaty if you prefer, with the EU is so disasterous, why do all the world's major trading countries already have one, are negotiating one or want to negotiate one?

 

In what way? The so called divoirce settlement?

 

That is to cover costs already agreed by the democratically elected UK Parliament, the democratically elected Eurupean Parliament or the democratically elected heads of stae in the council of ministers.

 

Maybe; but either way at least I present arguments to support my opinion and facts to support my arguments. I also endeavour to give straight answers to straight questions.

 

Perhaps you should try one or the other; preferably both!

 

 

  As a remainer and someone who believes in facts.

 Hopefully these facts may be of interest to you.

 

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/16/nick-boles-resigns-from-conservative-association-brexit

 

Good man, Nick Boles! An MP with conviction!

 

His local party chairman is the quintessential gammon! Good for nothing except sausage meat.

2 hours ago, bomber said:

we have a new bus to admire,now you have to believe in Britain,what that means is anyone's guess.Many foreign businesses dont,majority of MPs dont,the markets dont,the EU dont,and millions of folks dont,and i dont,anyone on here going on the march by any chance?

Did they not see the low bridge sign?

6 minutes ago, Grouse said:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/16/nick-boles-resigns-from-conservative-association-brexit

 

Good man, Nick Boles! An MP with conviction!

 

His local party chairman is the quintessential gammon! Good for nothing except sausage meat.

Yes, standing down because his constituents didnt want him to represent them because he failed to deliver what they wanted and voted for. 

30 minutes ago, Thairealist said:

 

 

  As a remainer and someone who believes in facts.

 Hopefully these facts may be of interest to you.

 

 

 

I am aware of those facts, thank you.

 

I also belive that in a democracy people have the right to change their mind; don't you?

 

Are you going to attempt an answer to my questions?

 

I am intersted in all opinions, and you have a far better chance of convincing me to change mine on Brexit by presenting reasoned arguments rather than propoganda puffs.

9 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

I am aware of those facts, thank you.

 

I also belive that in a democracy people have the right to change their mind; don't you?

 

No, once people have voted, they cannot change their minds at a later date .

If people vote , they cannot go back a few years later and ask for their vote to be changed  , once they've voted, thats it 

1 minute ago, sanemax said:

No, once people have voted, they cannot change their minds at a later date .

If people vote , they cannot go back a few years later and ask for their vote to be changed  , once they've voted, thats it 

 

An oft repeated argument by Brexiteerrs afraid of a second referendum. An argument which if taken seriously means that once people have voted for a particular party they cannot change their minds and vote for a different one at a later date!

 

 

1 hour ago, Grouse said:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/16/nick-boles-resigns-from-conservative-association-brexit

 

Good man, Nick Boles! An MP with conviction!

 

His local party chairman is the quintessential gammon! Good for nothing except sausage meat.

Moves are afoot to de-select Remain MPs in leave constituencies around the country and quite rightly so. I have no idea if it applies the other way round but wouldn't have a problem if it did.

11 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 

An oft repeated argument by Brexiteerrs afraid of a second referendum. An argument which if taken seriously means that once people have voted for a particular party they cannot change their minds and vote for a different one at a later date!

Afraid? We'd win hands down!

Why do you keep dismissing unfavourable answers as some sort of failure from those that bother to reply?

58 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Yes, standing down because his constituents didnt want him to represent them because he failed to deliver what they wanted and voted for. 

Others will follow inc Grieve on or around 30th.

Edited March 16, 20197 yr by evadgib

9 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 

An oft repeated argument by Brexiteerrs afraid of a second referendum. An argument which if taken seriously means that once people have voted for a particular party they cannot change their minds and vote for a different one at a later date!

 

 

   Once Brexit has been completed , you can then ask for another referendum  about whether the U.K rejoins the E.U or not, but firstly you have to comply with the previous referendums results . 

   In General elections, can you vote Tory , then a few weeks later, go back and ask to change your vote ?

  No, you cannot , once you have voted, thats it .

9 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 

An oft repeated argument by Brexiteerrs afraid of a second referendum. An argument which if taken seriously means that once people have voted for a particular party they cannot change their minds and vote for a different one at a later date!

 

 

   Once Brexit has been completed , you can then ask for another referendum  about whether the U.K rejoins the E.U or not, but firstly you have to comply with the previous referendums results . 

   In General elections, can you vote Tory , then a few weeks later, go back and ask to change your vote ?

  No, you cannot , once you have voted, thats it .

1 minute ago, evadgib said:

Afraid? We'd win hands down!

Why do you keep dismissing unfavourable answers as some sort of failure from those that bother to reply?

Because you do not give unfavourable answers; you give supercilious excuses for not answering at all!

55 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Yes, standing down because his constituents didnt want him to represent them because he failed to deliver what they wanted and voted for. 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-47594875

 

He wrote: "I regret that my relationship with you should end in this way. But a politician without principles is worthless.

"I am in no doubt about my duty, which is to be true to my convictions and to dedicate the rest of my time in Parliament to the best interests of the people I was elected to serve."

 

You were elected by your constituents to represent your constituents feelings and not your own principles.

 

If you wanted to be elected for your principles then you should have stood as an independent and told the electorate (if you were elected) that you would decide how YOU wanted to vote and if the electorate didn't like it they could fire you at the next election.

 

That is now a foregone conclusion.

 

Councillor Martin Hill, vice president of the Grantham and Stamford Conservative Association, told members they had been "betrayed by their parliamentary representative" and called on him to take the "honourable course" and quit as an MP.

 

He said the process of selecting a new candidate would start at the group's AGM later this month.

2 minutes ago, sanemax said:

   Once Brexit has been completed , you can then ask for another referendum  about whether the U.K rejoins the E.U or not, but firstly you have to comply with the previous referendums results . 

   In General elections, can you vote Tory , then a few weeks later, go back and ask to change your vote ?

  No, you cannot , once you have voted, thats it .

The time to make a final decision on such a major event is before it becomes irreversable; not after.

 

If you started to cross the road and suddeny saw a car approaching at high speed, would you say, well I've made my decison, so I'll carry on across the road and let the car hit me; or would you change your mind and turn around?

 

If we are allowed a final say and that final say, now that all the facts about both leaving and tremaioning are better known, is to leave, then so be it.

 

Do you ever wonder why Remainers are not afraid of a second referendum, but Brexiteers are terrified of it?

 

 

5 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

Because you do not give unfavourable answers; you give supercilious excuses for not answering at all!

What about everyone else?