Just recieved 2018 tax bill, UK

[Chris Ubon]

2 hours ago, sometimewoodworker said:

It is normal practice for HMRC to present a ridiculously large assessment if they actually want a tax return. 

 

While you are waiting, assuming you haven't already submitted a tax return 2017/2018 do it now and submit it.

 

if you don't submit a tax return and contest the amount it becomes the tax you have to pay, so don't delay, FWIW you are getting close to having to pay a penalty for late submission.

The final submission date for 2017-18 Tax returns is 31 January 2019.... or 31 December 2018, if you want any tax owed (up to c £3,000, I think) included in your 2019-20 tax code.

[MalandLee]

1 hour ago, BangkokTony said:

I sent my tax return late September. I provided full information although I might not have understood the questions fully.
My circumstances are.
Living in Thailand 12 years
Living on funds accrued in Nationwide bank. I transfer every 2 years to Thailand.
Interest declared from Nationwide
I believe best to be honest then nothing can, hopefully, go wrong. But now I have stress to deal with HMRC from afar.
Already sent letter via Post Office.
Thankfully I have 7 weeks to sort it out, Jan 31 being the deadline.


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Try not to stress, DO ALL YOU CAN then just wait for answers. Find things to lessen the chances of worrying too much - The worry CANNOT help you. These things (That are inherently wrong - as in your case) almost always get sorted. Good luck

[Moonlover]

As many have already said, HMRC never send such information by e-mail. This is most definitely a scam.

 

If you haven't deleted the e-mail forward it on to HMRC at this address. [email protected]

 

They will acknowledge receipt and confirm that is indeed a scam.

 

DO NOT click on any links that maybe on the email.

Edited December 7, 2018 by Moonlover

[Caine]

2 hours ago, BangkokTony said:

I received an e mail.  I went to HMRC.gov.uk.  Used my sign in info with password.  Received a text via mobile phone.  Logged in. Everything seems legitimate.

 

I am aware that scammers do offer to reimburse if too much tax paid etc.  

 

I am going to call at 4pm today to find out more

Phone the HMRC. u.k. don’t make me laugh I’ve been trying to phone them for over 6 yrs to GIVE them money. No one has ever pick the phone up, just ignore the clowns.

[NoshowJones]

2 hours ago, sometimewoodworker said:

It is normal practice for HMRC to present a ridiculously large assessment if they actually want a tax return. 

 

While you are waiting, assuming you haven't already submitted a tax return 2017/2018 do it now and submit it.

 

if you don't submit a tax return and contest the amount it becomes the tax you have to pay, so don't delay, FWIW you are getting close to having to pay a penalty for late submission.

With the OP being on a state pension, the DWP website says they cannot touch your'e state pension.

I know it's not the DWP the OP is dealing with, I may be wrong, but does this not apply to anyone? Is it not UK law that people must always be left with enough money to live on, and no one can touch your'e state pension?

[alkazared]

Be very careful do not send money it is surely a scam, I don't think HMRC will contact you by email, it is a known scam in UK. Have you ever given HMRC your email address?

[alkazared]

https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.gov.uk/government/news/hmrc-warns-on-tax-refund-scams&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwjGtavTt43fAhUHMI8KHauEBwgQFjACegQIBxAB&usg=AOvVaw1UC7xy0KCgxNA7Hc1qrHb4

[alkazared]

https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.gov.uk/topic/dealing-with-hmrc/phishing-scams&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwjUuM6XuI3fAhUKRo8KHQyjDvkQFjADegQICRAB&usg=AOvVaw0k1eb-AKzyTG4b2FOIMeyd

[BangkokTony]

You need to be absolutely sure you are not dealing with a scam email first. You need to contact the HMRC directly. Do not click or any links in the email. Do not cut and paste or follow any URL details in the email.
 
I wouldn't stress too much about an estimated assessment from HMRC. They are easily remedied.

Thank you. I have 7 weeks to resolve then the interest will start to be added if I cannot reconcile.

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[BangkokTony]

HMRC send messages through your online personal tax account NOT by email If you have gone paperless.
If you are over the tax allowance currently 11500 on UK earned income/pensions you are liable to UK tax regardless of how many years you have lived abroad.

My only income is 8500 approx from UK pension plus 1000 a year interest on savings.
I sent by paper 2 months ago. I am sure they are wrong but it does cause me distress.
I know I'll be held in a queue on the phone. I'll use 0500 ais. It'll be worth every bant to resolve

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[jimn]

16 minutes ago, Caine said:

Phone the HMRC. u.k. don’t make me laugh I’ve been trying to phone them for over 6 yrs to GIVE them money. No one has ever pick the phone up, just ignore the clowns.

Nonsence. I have contacted them many times over years via the number given via my tax code letter. I am always answered promptly and have found them helpful and informative. You obviously have not been trying hard enough to give them money. If you want to give some to me I will suppy you details.

[BangkokTony]

Did you click on a link in the e-mail , or did you do a websearch for the address ?

No, I logged on from PC hmrc.gov.uk https...I verified as much as I could.
The email only said I have a message from hmrc

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[grumpy 4680]

     Iv'e got 8 e-mails in my con folder from inland revenue, all stating a tax refund, and to contact UK gateway etc. but I will not click on the link, in case thats what the con-men want, In the end all my tax returns have been recieved in the post (uk address).

     However tax due is another issue, and I don't think they would send an e-mail, if you can see no reason for such a demand then I would ignore it, and maybe sort it next time inthe UK

[BangkokTony]

They may not even look at the letter until after the deadline.......remember Xmas is in the middle as well.

I feel I am not competant enough to use commercial software as I do not understand the terminology.
I had no problem for my first 9 years here.
However lately the question have changed and I am confused.
I will appoint an accountant in future.
Better for peace of mind.

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[BangkokTony]

The phishing scam emails often have a link to a bogus site, designed to look
like the real thing. I regularly get these things and almost fell for it once.
 
As has been said, the inland revenue never send emails regarding rebates or demands.

I agree. I didnt follow any links. I used password, which no one would know.
If they are wrong is it possible to sue for causing stress etc?

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[sanemax]

6 minutes ago, BangkokTony said:

I feel I am not competant enough to use commercial software as I do not understand the terminology.
I had no problem for my first 9 years here.
However lately the question have changed and I am confused.
I will appoint an accountant in future.
Better for peace of mind.

I get my U.K  tax returns done by a UK tax specialist  , he does it all online and charges about 100 quid . PM me if you want his contact details

[topt]

11 minutes ago, BangkokTony said:

Better for peace of mind.

 

9 minutes ago, BangkokTony said:

If they are wrong is it possible to sue for causing stress etc?

No.

Reduce the stress by calling them ASAP and resolving it - contact phone nos. on the HMRC site.

 

[jgarbo]

4 hours ago, BangkokTony said:

 

 

GBP16592.30 will be due for payment and a breakdown of this amount and when this needs to be paid by is outlined in the table below. Follow the appropriate link within the 'Description' column to find out more about each payment.

 

Description	For	Due date	Amount (£)
Tax year ending 05 Apr 2019	First payment on account	31 Jan 2019	4148.07
Tax year ending 05 Apr 2019	Second payment on account	31 Jul 2019	4148.08
Tax year ending 05 Apr 2018	Balancing payment	31 Jan 2019	8296.15
Total			16592.30

The website www.gateway.gov.uk is marked "insecure", no https. Scam? Give no details until you check.

[faraday]

OP, I would use the HMRC app, it's a bit long-winded to register, but it is secure.

[HHTel]

I've not filled in a tax return for the best part of 20 years since I've been living in Thailand.  Of course, tax is still due on any income originating in the UK.  I take an annual drawdown from one pension company who deduct tax at source.  Unfortunately, they always use emergency coding resulting in a few thousand overpayment.  I reclaim the overpayment online within a week of being charged.  HMRC refund the overpayment very quickly and that's it for another year.

I have never had emails from HMRC and would agree with others that this is some sort of scam.

 

The solution of course is ASK THEM!

[cleopatra2]

54 minutes ago, BangkokTony said:

I agree. I didnt follow any links. I used password, which no one would know.
If they are wrong is it possible to sue for causing stress etc?

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From the info you posted this does not look like it a scam.

The receiving of the SMS code would mean that the scammers would have to be in possession of your security details.

 

The HMRC now operate on a real time basis, meaning they have up to date information of any earnings accrued under PAYE , thus your pension income will already be recorded has it is paid.

 

I suspect that the HMRC believe that you have another source of income subject to tax.. Thus could be due to completing the self assessment incorrectly.

 

[BangkokTony]

The website www.gateway.gov.uk is marked "insecure", no https. Scam? Give no details until you check.

Really? I do hope you are correct. Currently trying to forget at Irish bar in Silom. I will need to go to a quiet place soon.
I went to Gov.uk
Then provided password and verification. Then received 6 figure number via mobile phone

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[BangkokTony]

I get my U.K  tax returns done by a UK tax specialist  , he does it all online and charges about 100 quid . PM me if you want his contact details

Thanks. I will give it 10 days then contact if no joy.
600 baht is worth it rather than compete with hmrc

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[BangkokTony]

Thanks. I will give it 10 days then contact if no joy.
600 baht is worth it rather than compete with hmrc

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Sorry 6000 baht

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[BangkokTony]

Nonsence. I have contacted them many times over years via the number given via my tax code letter. I am always answered promptly and have found them helpful and informative. You obviously have not been trying hard enough to give them money. If you want to give some to me I will suppy you details.

There is usually a queue. I discovered when I sold my property 3 years ago

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[BangkokTony]

With the OP being on a state pension, the DWP website says they cannot touch your'e state pension.
I know it's not the DWP the OP is dealing with, I may be wrong, but does this not apply to anyone? Is it not UK law that people must always be left with enough money to live on, and no one can touch your'e state pension?

I would assume so. The way this has been calculated I have zero pounds to live on

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[BangkokTony]

From the info you posted this does not look like it a scam.
The receiving of the SMS code would mean that the scammers would have to be in possession of your security details.
 
The HMRC now operate on a real time basis, meaning they have up to date information of any earnings accrued under PAYE , thus your pension income will already be recorded has it is paid.
 
I suspect that the HMRC believe that you have another source of income subject to tax.. Thus could be due to completing the self assessment incorrectly.
 

I can assure you I am living completely on 30000 baht a month.
Many times I spend more monthly and go into my savings but at my age (67) I am able to do so. I have daughters in Thailand aged 11 and 14 but wish to provide for their education; although I am now divorced from Thai wife.
I will call UK later today. They are busy now and usual.



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[NoshowJones]

8 minutes ago, BangkokTony said:

I would assume so. The way this has been calculated I have zero pounds to live on

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Good luck mate, give the taxman nothing.????

[cleopatra2]

2 minutes ago, BangkokTony said:

I can assure you I am living completely on 30000 baht a month.
Many times I spend more monthly and go into my savings but at my age (67) I am able to do so. I have daughters in Thailand aged 11 and 14 but wish to provide for their education; although I am now divorced from Thai wife.
I will call UK later today. They are busy now and usual.



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If you go back onto the government gateway, the one set up for the HMRC, it will detail the earnings and tax paid/due for the relevant years.

[BangkokTony]

From the info you posted this does not look like it a scam.
The receiving of the SMS code would mean that the scammers would have to be in possession of your security details.
 
The HMRC now operate on a real time basis, meaning they have up to date information of any earnings accrued under PAYE , thus your pension income will already be recorded has it is paid.
 
I suspect that the HMRC believe that you have another source of income subject to tax.. Thus could be due to completing the self assessment incorrectly.
 

I agree. I must have input incorrectly on my paper return although I did emphasise in the notes that my only income was pension and interest.
If they are correct will return home

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