13 hours ago, wilcopops said:

Corbyn couldn't force a wet F**t to follow through.

The Ying to march through the same lobby as the Hard Brexiteer Yang.

5 hours ago, Nigel Garvie said:

Agreed, I don't think anyone can confidently predict the outcome from this crazy mess. Whatever happens, the fact that it has already caused huge economic and social damage to the country is in my opinion beyond doubt.

 

more mess to come, I would guess

 

5 hours ago, Nigel Garvie said:

Agreed, I don't think anyone can confidently predict the outcome from this crazy mess. Whatever happens, the fact that it has already caused huge economic and social damage to the country is in my opinion beyond doubt.

Possibly, but the financial crisis was/is a global affair...& let's not forget who flogged the family silver!

Time for TV, no not TVF.

 

The Uncivil War on TV  -- The movie about Brexit

 

Channel 4 has confirmed that the political drama starring Benedict Cumberbatch

will air in the UK at 9pm on 7th January 2019.

 

HBO meanwhile will broadcast the film in the USA at 9pm on 19th January.

 

 

 

22 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

Time for TV, no not TVF.

 

The Uncivil War on TV  -- The movie about Brexit

 

Channel 4 has confirmed that the political drama starring Benedict Cumberbatch

will air in the UK at 9pm on 7th January 2019.

 

HBO meanwhile will broadcast the film in the USA at 9pm on 19th January.

Is there any indication as to which way they lean? My guess is 'remain' which technically won't matter providing everyone remembers it's (only) a television drama. 

28 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

Time for TV, no not TVF.

 

The Uncivil War on TV  -- The movie about Brexit

 

Channel 4 has confirmed that the political drama starring Benedict Cumberbatch

will air in the UK at 9pm on 7th January 2019.

 

HBO meanwhile will broadcast the film in the USA at 9pm on 19th January.

 

 

 

Can't be any more boring than the real thing. Or can it?

27 minutes ago, Spidey said:

Can't be any more boring than the real thing. Or can it?

trouble with such movies,

you have to waste 2 hours in order to find out for sure

 

31 minutes ago, evadgib said:

Is there any indication as to which way they lean? My guess is 'remain' which technically won't matter providing everyone remembers it's (only) a television drama. 

its quite a bit about the movie on www

google(channel 4 brexit movie)

 

the most recent pot (piece of text) I read said that its clear

that the lead actor and the filmmakers did not vote leave

 

41 minutes ago, Spidey said:

Can't be any more boring than the real thing. Or can it?

Possibly, but only for a couple of hours ????

1 hour ago, melvinmelvin said:

Time for TV, no not TVF.

 

The Uncivil War on TV  -- The movie about Brexit

 

Channel 4 has confirmed that the political drama starring Benedict Cumberbatch

will air in the UK at 9pm on 7th January 2019.

 

HBO meanwhile will broadcast the film in the USA at 9pm on 19th January.

 

 

 

Could this have any implication on any potential criminal charges that could be brought against the corrupt Vote Leave protagonists?

 

I wish i'd seen this earlier ????

 

2 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

Could this have any implication on any potential criminal charges that could be brought against the corrupt Vote Leave protagonists?

dunno about that,

but on various media plenty are pissed off by the movie being launched now

as it has the potential for swinging the final outcome of the Brexit game

 

guess one could say outcome is fairly open;

may-deal flies

no deal brexit

new tory government

2nd referendum, result ???

non conf motion passed - new government - then ???

 

quite incredible really

this is how far the 5th or 6th largest economy in the world has managed to go in 3 years

and you are happy to brag that its the oldest sound democracy around

it is not sound at  all - it is pretty close to medieval enlightened one man rule,

but fair is fair - enlightened one man rule is the most stable form of governing mankind has seen

 

totally incapable of doing sound planned politics

 

if I were a Scot I would do my utmost to get out of UK,

Westminster is a death trap

 

 

 

1 hour ago, melvinmelvin said:

dunno about that,

but on various media plenty are pissed off by the movie being launched now

as it has the potential for swinging the final outcome of the Brexit game

 

guess one could say outcome is fairly open;

may-deal flies

no deal brexit

new tory government

2nd referendum, result ???

non conf motion passed - new government - then ???

 

quite incredible really

this is how far the 5th or 6th largest economy in the world has managed to go in 3 years

and you are happy to brag that its the oldest sound democracy around

it is not sound at  all - it is pretty close to medieval enlightened one man rule,

but fair is fair - enlightened one man rule is the most stable form of governing mankind has seen

 

totally incapable of doing sound planned politics

 

if I were a Scot I would do my utmost to get out of UK,

Westminster is a death trap

 

 

 

I am, and we are!

6 hours ago, evadgib said:

Possibly, but the financial crisis was/is a global affair...& let's not forget who flogged the family silver!

I think the quote in a political context was first made by PM Harold Macmillan (You never had it so good - also one of his). When the wicked witch Margaret Thatcher was privatizing every thing she could, Macmillan (Then in the Lords) accused her of selling off the family silver. Apparently the Gin and Jaguar belt Tories took offense to this at the time !

trouble with such movies,
you have to waste 2 hours in order to find out for sure
 

If Cumberpatch is in it ,it will be boreing

Sent from my SM-A720F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app

2 minutes ago, ivor bigun said:

If Cumberpatch is in it ,it will be boreing

Sent from my SM-A720F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app
 

If project fear have their way it'll turn out like the AIDS adverts in the 1980s or the alleged hysteria created by Orson Welles radio rendition of the 'War of the Worlds'!

13 hours ago, melvinmelvin said:

Time for TV, no not TVF.

 

The Uncivil War on TV  -- The movie about Brexit

 

Channel 4 has confirmed that the political drama starring Benedict Cumberbatch

will air in the UK at 9pm on 7th January 2019.

 

HBO meanwhile will broadcast the film in the USA at 9pm on 19th January.

 

 

            This  would  be the absolute piss  take,  for the UK .

             Mind you Corrie , should die a death .  what would the uneducated British masses [voters;] watch?

 

18 hours ago, melvinmelvin said:

dunno about that,

but on various media plenty are pissed off by the movie being launched now

as it has the potential for swinging the final outcome of the Brexit game

 

guess one could say outcome is fairly open;

may-deal flies

no deal brexit

new tory government

2nd referendum, result ???

non conf motion passed - new government - then ???

 

quite incredible really

this is how far the 5th or 6th largest economy in the world has managed to go in 3 years

and you are happy to brag that its the oldest sound democracy around

it is not sound at  all - it is pretty close to medieval enlightened one man rule,

but fair is fair - enlightened one man rule is the most stable form of governing mankind has seen

 

totally incapable of doing sound planned politics

 

if I were a Scot I would do my utmost to get out of UK,

Westminster is a death trap

 

 

 

"but on various media plenty are pissed off by the movie being launched now

as it has the potential for swinging the final outcome of the Brexit game"

 

The timing suprised me too.  Surely it should not be shown until after March next year?

 

If the film makers (and Cumberbatch) all/mostly supported remain then it indicates the probability of the film being far from neutral.  But I hope I'm proven wrong in this respect.

40 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

"but on various media plenty are pissed off by the movie being launched now

as it has the potential for swinging the final outcome of the Brexit game"

 

The timing suprised me too.  Surely it should not be shown until after March next year?

 

If the film makers (and Cumberbatch) all/mostly supported remain then it indicates the probability of the film being far from neutral.  But I hope I'm proven wrong in this respect.

The only people likely to be fooled are those with a barely concealed agenda.

Welcome back DD ????

59 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

"but on various media plenty are pissed off by the movie being launched now

as it has the potential for swinging the final outcome of the Brexit game"

 

The timing suprised me too.  Surely it should not be shown until after March next year?

 

If the film makers (and Cumberbatch) all/mostly supported remain then it indicates the probability of the film being far from neutral.  But I hope I'm proven wrong in this respect.

well, haven't viewed it

but two msm pieces I have seen concluded along the following lines;

after having seen it, it is quite clear that actors and makers did not vote leave

 

if I have understood www correctly the movie makes  an effort to

document what is perceived as deception in the leave campaign

 

 

1 hour ago, evadgib said:

The only people likely to be fooled are those with a barely concealed agenda.

Welcome back DD ????

"Welcome back"

 

Thank you, it felt like a very long time on 'holiday', but to look on the bright side - it forced me to get on with other things that had been put off for far too long ☺️!

13 hours ago, ivor bigun said:

If Cumberpatch is in it ,it will be boreing

Sent from my SM-A720F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app
 

 

The Imitation Game wasn't.

13 hours ago, evadgib said:

If project fear have their way it'll turn out like the AIDS adverts in the 1980s or the alleged hysteria created by Orson Welles radio rendition of the 'War of the Worlds'!

Or how about the fake news that AIDS was created by USA?

 

Something to learn about disinformation and the origins of Fake news. This applies also to Brexit.

 

 

So, what will happen in UK politics in 2019?

 

While currently the Tories are occupied and pretty much lead by the extreme right wingers and Labour is lead by extreme left winger Corbyn, there is very little room for the moderate minded, thinking people. 

 

In 2019 there will be a new centrist party created, which attracts possibly 20% of current MP's, on both sides. While the start is not a lot, that still means that there will be general elections as current government has lost the confidence of the parliament. 

 

During the elections, there are more MP's turning in to the new centrist party. They'll gain 30% support. 

 

This means that the next government is going include the centrists, not matter what. Torys are not going to form a government with Labour, so the centrists are going to be in the government and pretty much dictate the rules of the future.

 

After that, will the UK re-apply to EU membership (losing many of it's previous extra benefits)? Perhaps? Perhaps UK will wait a couple of years and see how things turn out before deciding to either apply or stay outside of EU.

 

5 minutes ago, oilinki said:

In 2019 there will be a new centrist party created, which attracts possibly 20% of current MP's, on both sides. While the start is not a lot, that still means that there will be general elections as current government has lost the confidence of the parliament. 

 

During the elections, there are more MP's turning in to the new centrist party. They'll gain 30% support. 

 

This means that the next government is going include the centrists, not matter what. Torys are not going to form a government with Labour, so the centrists are going to be in the government and pretty much dictate the rules of the future.

Is it time for the UK to move to proportional representation? It has it's faults but it has it's advantages too. Seems to work for Germany.

7 minutes ago, oilinki said:

So, what will happen in UK politics in 2019?

 

While currently the Tories are occupied and pretty much lead by the extreme right wingers and Labour is lead by extreme left winger Corbyn, there is very little room for the moderate minded, thinking people. 

 

In 2019 there will be a new centrist party created, which attracts possibly 20% of current MP's, on both sides. While the start is not a lot, that still means that there will be general elections as current government has lost the confidence of the parliament. 

 

During the elections, there are more MP's turning in to the new centrist party. They'll gain 30% support. 

 

This means that the next government is going include the centrists, not matter what. Torys are not going to form a government with Labour, so the centrists are going to be in the government and pretty much dictate the rules of the future.

 

After that, will the UK re-apply to EU membership (losing many of it's previous extra benefits)? Perhaps? Perhaps UK will wait a couple of years and see how things turn out before deciding to either apply or stay outside of EU.

 

53 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

"Welcome back"

 

Thank you, it felt like a very long time on 'holiday', but to look on the bright side - it forced me to get on with other things that had been put off for far too long ☺️!

 

nothing like Brexit and TVF when it comes to screwing up your routines and chores

 

53 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

"Welcome back"

 

Thank you, it felt like a very long time on 'holiday', but to look on the bright side - it forced me to get on with other things that had been put off for far too long ☺️!

 

nothing like Brexit and TVF when it comes to screwing up your routines and chores

 

2 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

 

nothing like Brexit and TVF when it comes to screwing up your routines and chores

 

I actually enjoy my regular TVF holidays for the same reason as @dick dasterdly. Probably going on a permanent holiday soon.