Britons would now vote to stay in EU, want second referendum: poll

[Grouse]

43 minutes ago, baboon said:

Yes. But they aren't actually wrong...

One should never expose children to verbal abuse. Red card instantly!

[vogie]

6 minutes ago, baboon said:

What are you talking about? I am as disgusted as you are that kids should be brought into it. He is, however, a horrible person.

Good to hear it, at least we have one honourable remainer. Incidentally JR Mogg did defend Anna Soubry being the good egg he is. 

 

 

[vogie]

2 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

well,

I perceived it as a joke, maybe not good taste but .....

 

We have seen your jokes before Melvin, I shall say no more.????

[Joinaman]

11 hours ago, sjaak327 said:

So you honestly believe the EU will be hurting when the UK leaves ? Sorry you can't be serious. I mean numbers are at work here, the UK wasn't even the biggest EU contributor as measured by any of the four methods of measuring this. 

 

 

and you honestly believe that other countries that are being squeezed by the EU wont make moves to leave, what happens to the EU when Italy,Greece, Portugal, etc, want to leave and renegade on their debts, who will pay for that, 

[Grouse]

1 hour ago, yogi100 said:

Sorry I made a mistake.

 

 

It's actually over 8.6M.

You could have easily have found it yourself if you'd have tried.

I hope you don't ask me to wipe your a**e for you as well.

 

Economic inactivity - Office for National Statistics

 

https://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/elmr/economic-and.../economic-inactivity.pdf

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by D Leaker - ‎Cited by 17 - ‎Related articles

The economically inactive are defined as people who are not in employment or unemployed. There are many reasons why an individual may be inactive, for example, they might be studying, looking after family or long-term sick.

The economically inactive are defined as people who are not in employment or unemployed.  

 

So what is your point? 

 

You want the economically inactive to become active and compete for jobs as specialist wheel barrow operators?

 

Leaving the EU will assist with that no doubt laudable aim?

Edited January 8, 2019 by Grouse

[welovesundaysatspace]

7 minutes ago, Joinaman said:

and you honestly believe that other countries that are being squeezed by the EU wont make moves to leave, what happens to the EU when Italy,Greece, Portugal, etc, want to leave and renegade on their debts, who will pay for that, 

Why haven’t they left? Where are all those x-xits that the far-right keeps phantasizing for years now? Why do even countries like Hungary and Poland (and now Italy) remain (who some of us might want to see leave if they don’t get rid of their nazi elements)?

 

Contrary to the nonsense of the far-right, what we can see in reality is that the EU grew stronger, that is has shown unity, and that countries want to stay (or join) rather than leave. All those yellow-press BS telling us another x-xit is coming soon is getting boring. Only the uneducated believe (and actually read) it. 

Edited January 8, 2019 by welovesundaysatspace

[whatsupdoc]

4 minutes ago, Joinaman said:

and you honestly believe that other countries that are being squeezed by the EU wont make moves to leave, what happens to the EU when Italy,Greece, Portugal, etc, want to leave and renegade on their debts, who will pay for that, 

Which country is squeezed by the EU? You might make that point for Greece, but does it want to leave? Absolutely not.

Only the UK is silly enough to want to leave and after Brexit no other country is likely to be so stupid to follow its example.

[nauseus]

15 hours ago, Spidey said:

The vote was taken without voters having the salient facts to hand. How could it be a fair vote when nobody knew what Brexit really meant?

 

The government should have triggered Article 50, negotiated a deal with Brussels and then put it to a referendum. Which is what is now being proposed. Far more democratic than the sham of 2016.

Er..I think remainers would have had a rather stronger case if A50 had been triggered without a referendum first.

[dick dasterdly]

2 hours ago, yogi100 said:

You disprove it.

 

Take a university wallah and see how he gets on working on a building site or a job that requires practicality and see for yourself.

 

You'll give him a shovel or a wheel barrow and he'll spend the next twenty minutes looking for the starter button!

Funny, but true - even in the 'service' industry.

 

I can still remember a newly recruited graduate where I worked having to ask for help as to how to work the dictaphone (the way to dictate letters to be typed at the time).  My colleague had to point out that it had to be plugged in, and turned on....

 

True story!

[nauseus]

10 hours ago, sjaak327 said:

Yeah the second net contributor just slightly ahead of my own country, the Netherlands, which has a much smaller population. Me think you are vastly overestimating yourself. But time will tell. Hard Brexit will probably mean UK products will  become much less popular inside the European internal market, and that will of course hurt your exports. Again numbers talk, volume talks. A hard Brexit will cost you more money than the agreement which is now on the table.  

Yeah,  I know the Netherlands pays higher per capita - that's up to you guys. But the issue was the EU budget, so taking the No.2 net contribution out will obviously upset the EU gravy boat. 

 

I am not making any kind of estimation of myself. Yes, a hard Brexit would be bad economically, at least in the short-term - it will be bad for the EU too. But, like always, the fact that the vote was not primarily about money has been ignored by remain fans.

[nauseus]

9 hours ago, Nigel Garvie said:

Yes it is clear that we have already lost a lot of business, I have seen it again and again in different newspapers. Then future planning decisions have been made to shift business away from UK also. The amount that we pay into the EU is less than the damage ALREADY done to the value of our top companies  - see quote. Why would anyone with a basic understanding of economics want to focus on what we put in without taking account of what we get out - some 3% of GDP apparently - which dwarfs our contribution. 

 

What puzzles me about the English that so many of them look up to an establishment, that is busy shafting them on a regular basis. Blind worship of a dysfunctional Royal Family, the ritual doffing of caps to vile toffs like JR Mogg, and uncritical admiration of the mega rich, looks like Stockholm syndrome writ large. Are we serfs to dance to these people's tunes? 

It is not freedom from the EU we need to worry about, it is freedom from the control of the twisted bunch that actually rule our lives within the UK already. They want you to believe that your problems all about the EU or Immigrants.  BTW we are all immigrants, there was no one here 10,000 years ago.

What's so remarkable, when the DOW has dropped a similar amount? Silly.

[billd766]

1 hour ago, baboon said:

Yes. But they aren't actually wrong...

How do you know? 

 

Have you ever met JRM and/or his family?

 

I certainly have not, and though I am about the same age as the loud mouthed ignorant protester I certainly would not do what he did to any child.

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, Lancelot01 said:

Your hopes for a 'crash and burn' means both sides will crash and burn together.

A very bitter comment in respect of the majority who voted out.

Let me guess which way you voted? I guess you didn't!

He's not allowed to.

[Grouse]

25 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

Funny, but true - even in the 'service' industry.

 

I can still remember a newly recruited graduate where I worked having to ask for help as to how to work the dictaphone (the way to dictate letters to be typed at the time).  My colleague had to point out that it had to be plugged in, and turned on....

 

True story!

Why not use your finger to phone?

[AlexRich]

5 hours ago, yogi100 said:

Are you implying that working men who saw their livelihoods threated by eastern European scab labour needed a 'posh boy' to tell them about it.

 

Any 'dunderhead' knows that given the chance their employers will take on the fellow who will work for the least money. It's a situation that's as old as the hills.

 

So they throw their hat in the ring with ultra right wing free marketers who couldn’t give a toss about their employee rights or their access to public services? And most Europeans are working in ordinary jobs paying taxes, jobs that are available to all and protected by minimum wage legislation. Should I be unhappy that there are less English plumbers ripping me off over a 10 minute job? I’d rather pay a fair price to a Pole. As for the rest of them, a combination of old people, insulated from the economic impact (or at least they think they are) and benefits scroungers afraid a European might get access to their free lifestyle. 

[nauseus]

46 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Why haven’t they left? Where are all those x-xits that the far-right keeps phantasizing for years now? Why do even countries like Hungary and Poland (and now Italy) remain (who some of us might want to see leave if they don’t get rid of their nazi elements)?

 

Contrary to the nonsense of the far-right, what we can see in reality is that the EU grew stronger, that is has shown unity, and that countries want to stay (or join) rather than leave. All those yellow-press BS telling us another x-xit is coming soon is getting boring. Only the uneducated believe (and actually read) it. 

The pant-sizing has occurred only relatively recently. Options for Greece, Italy, Spain and Portugal are rather restricted by their adoption of the Euro - their biggest loss of sovereignty, so far. 

[AlexRich]

4 hours ago, yogi100 said:

It was an overwhelming majority of over half a million people. If there's another RFDM we'll increase that leave majority to over one million.

Excellent. So you’ll support a second vote on what’s on the table and put that assertion to the test?

 

Of course you won’t ... as the will of the people is to Remain.

[AlexRich]

3 hours ago, HAKAPALITA said:

What smelly cheap Imegrants, in my Country they are comfortable entitled millennials, a few very nice, but the majority not welcome,only by lefties and  rich folks who never live by them.

What’s your country? I could do with a laugh.

[AlexRich]

1 hour ago, vogie said:

I think when people verbally attack children to have a go at their father is showing how low the human race is prepared to go, so in my opinion not such a good comeback, but remainers move in a mysterious way I suppose, nothing appears to be off limits.

 

In what way did he verbally attack a child? That never actually happened, did it?

[Patriot1066]

On 1/7/2019 at 7:15 AM, MARK74 said:

"The poll of more than 25,000 voters was commissioned by the People's Vote campaign, which is spearheading an increasingly vocal push for a second referendum on Brexit."

I may be wrong but most polls commissioned by a non impartial source seem to get the result they require to meet their agenda.

No you are correct the people’s vote carry out a poll and amazingly comes back with the result they want. Bit like academics findings when paid for by business ?

 

I suspect with the nasty ness of remainers on Brexit voters in any case more will actually still vote leave once in the privacy of the ballot box.

 

Even if they did win a second bring on the third?

[welovesundaysatspace]

3 hours ago, yogi100 said:

You disprove it.

 

Take a university wallah and see how he gets on working on a building site or a job that requires practicality and see for yourself.

 

You'll give him a shovel or a wheel barrow and he'll spend the next twenty minutes looking for the starter button!

You might be wrong. “a university wallah” takes the shovel, gives it to a Polish or Romanian worker, then charges you ten times what he pays the worker. He then founds a company to build automatic shovels which eventually replace all workers and make him rich. You add “rich kids who can’t even use a shovel” to your list of things to condemn, next to immigrants and the EU. 

 

 

  

Edited January 8, 2019 by welovesundaysatspace

[Patriot1066]

12 minutes ago, nauseus said:

The pant-sizing has occurred only relatively recently. Options for Greece, Italy, Spain and Portugal are rather restricted by their adoption of the Euro - their biggest loss of sovereignty, so far. 

If we stay in with populism in Europe we can most likely wreck the EU gravy chain from the inside.

 

Additionally, how do all those remainers get the time off work to stand outside Parliament, or are they actually paid and funded like the remain campaign by Soros billions?

[nauseus]

1 minute ago, Patriot1066 said:

If we stay in with populism in Europe we can most likely wreck the EU gravy chain from the inside.

 

Additionally, how do all those remainers get the time off work to stand outside Parliament, or are they actually paid and funded like the remain campaign by Soros billions?

Most of them seem to be foreign. Maybe visiting family, or in town for the day on Eurostar? 

[Patriot1066]

30 minutes ago, billd766 said:

How do you know? 

 

Have you ever met JRM and/or his family?

 

I certainly have not, and though I am about the same age as the loud mouthed ignorant protester I certainly would not do what he did to any child.

Yes the guy is a well known lefty idiot and shouting at politicians children about their parents is totally wrong, but seems supported by many remainers, disgusting.

[AlexRich]

2 minutes ago, Patriot1066 said:

If we stay in with populism in Europe we can most likely wreck the EU gravy chain from the inside.

 

Additionally, how do all those remainers get the time off work to stand outside Parliament, or are they actually paid and funded like the remain campaign by Soros billions?

 

Another commentary from a member of the tin foil hat brigade. Fantasising about an EU break up ... it’s imminent, it’s just around the corner ... yet the EU get united and stronger whilst the UK tears itself apart ... soon to be Little England. And any mention of Soros is a red flag ...  ... only to be laughed at.

[yogi100]

4 hours ago, Grouse said:

Great! Bring it on!

 

I live in England and every Brexiteer I know is even more determined than ever to vote leave if there's another round. I assume those in your locality want to remain, is that the case? Or are you an ex pat in the LOS.

[Spidey]

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

Er..I think remainers would have had a rather stronger case if A50 had been triggered without a referendum first.

Not this remainer. It would have been the sensible way to do things. Negotiate a deal and the put it to the public vote. Brexiteers wouldn't want this as, be honest, they know which way the vote would go. Which is why Brexiteers are dead set against another referendum.

[vogie]

58 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

 

In what way did he verbally attack a child? That never actually happened, did it?

Glasses and hearing aid in the post.

[HAKAPALITA]

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