Britons would now vote to stay in EU, want second referendum: poll

[nauseus]

24 minutes ago, tebee said:

I thought the Grieves amendment meant she had to do something by 25th Jan - come up with new plan of some sort?

She'll probably just change the binder. 

[anon676545345]

10 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

It doesn't really matter if no one changes their mind. With a million plus dead oldies and around 2 million new young people, not to mention the young folk who failed to show up for the first one, the numbers don't look good for leave. 

 

Bring it on. Brexit farce no more.

 

 

 

 

Remainers love using the age argument the fact is that only 36% of 18-24 year olds voted in the referendum, that's roughly equivalent of the number of 18-24 year olds in higher education. If those who are working minimum wage jobs on zero hour contracts turn up to vote it may well not go the way you think.

[anon676545345]

22 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

All those old pensioners causing havoc in tea rooms up and down the country? Bring it on ... I'd happily join the opposing forces ... that would outnumber any right wing rabble that tried to cause trouble. Tommy Islam and his merry band of retards ... all 2,000 of them.

 

So 17,410,742 are right wing rabble, that's one hell of a rabble, if they were Tommy Robinson would be Prime Minister. 

[yogi100]

7 hours ago, Spidey said:

 

More Brexiteer personal insults. 555

I up voted your post because the stopping personal remarks and insults should be enforced both ways. However Chartist's post IMO was bang on the nail.

[yogi100]

7 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Another option would be to accept that the UK is a parliamentary representative democracy not a dictatorship by manipulated opinion polls. Of course, Brexiteer can resort to violence and riot; that has always been the preferred way of the enemies of our free democracies to harm us. In the end, any such hooligans and anarchists will be dealt with properly by the law enforcement authorities. 

 

Opinion polls prior to 23.6.16 said the remain vote was certain to win just like they said Hillary would be the new POTUS

 

Law enforcement authorities can't even catch the muggers, acid chuckers and stab boys who now control our streets.

Mind you I admit this issue is not political and will not affect our politicians doubling their money working for the EU if they can get us to remain.

[AlexRich]

41 minutes ago, Chartist said:

 

Remainers love using the age argument the fact is that only 36% of 18-24 year olds voted in the referendum, that's roughly equivalent of the number of 18-24 year olds in higher education. If those who are working minimum wage jobs on zero hour contracts turn up to vote it may well not go the way you think.

The young are overwhelmingly Remainers ... and they are getting a final say in the matter, which is fitting given that they will have to shoulder the burden of Brexit. Now they know what's at stake they'll be active voters ... just think of those Momentum types and the effort they'll put into getting out the youth vote.

 

Nope, if this thing goes to a second referendum Brexit is dead.

[AlexRich]

37 minutes ago, Chartist said:

 

So 17,410,742 are right wing rabble, that's one hell of a rabble, if they were Tommy Robinson would be Prime Minister. 

Nope ... but the only types looking to cause trouble will be Tommy Islam and his rabble, and they are low in numbers. If you think you'll get hundreds of thousands up and down the country you are deluding yourself.

 

This is the scared Leavers new "project fear" ... if we have a second vote we'll have riots ... riots on the street that will never materialise. No one will be denied their vote, but at least what they are voting for will be clear.

[nauseus]

2 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

The young are overwhelmingly Remainers ... and they are getting a final say in the matter, which is fitting given that they will have to shoulder the burden of Brexit. Now they know what's at stake they'll be active voters ... just think of those Momentum types and the effort they'll put into getting out the youth vote.

 

Nope, if this thing goes to a second referendum Brexit is dead.

Not according to the Ch4 debate this week but you are wrong anyway.

[nauseus]

1 minute ago, AlexRich said:

Nope ... but the only types looking to cause trouble will be Tommy Islam and his rabble, and they are low in numbers. If you think you'll get hundreds of thousands up and down the country you are deluding yourself.

 

This is the scared Leavers new "project fear" ... if we have a second vote we'll have riots ... riots on the street that will never materialise. No one will be denied their vote, but at least what they are voting for will be clear.

You're likely wrong with this load as well.

 

Project Fear belonged to the remain side and still does.

[AlexRich]

5 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Not according to the Ch4 debate this week but you are wrong anyway.

The Channel 4 debate was a bunch of hand picked activists, not representative of the young ... little Tory boys that have bought the ERG mantra. If the debate was old people you'd have a few vocal Remainers ... but we all know that most are leavers.

 

I'm glad that gave you a bit of a boost, cause when the youth vote comes in the disappointment will be palpable.

[AlexRich]

6 minutes ago, nauseus said:

You're likely wrong with this load as well.

 

Project Fear belonged to the remain side and still does.

Project fear was a marketing slogan designed to convince people to vote for something not in their interests ... playing to their emotions. The new project fear is the threat of civil unrest, if you have a second referendum. Bring it on ... no one cares. The tide is turning on Brexit lies.

[yogi100]

4 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Maybe you should scroll up again and have a look at who said what in this discussion: when Brexiteers threat to resort to riot amd violence should the parliament’s sovereignty not work their way; when Brexiteers ignore the constitution because they don’t like that a referendum is only advisory. Then I’m wondering who is acting like a little toddler and throwing tantrums. 

 

At the end of the day, there’s something called reality and you will have to face it. If you can’t see already, you will see by end of March latest that the referendum has only been an opinion poll and that it is the parliament deciding. 

 

You can then throw bottles (or tantrums) and you will again face reality which will be a prison cell. 

 

 

“the system” by constitution is parliamentary representative democracy. It is not government by manipulated opinion polls. You would have to change the constitution to change that, and Cameron failed to do so before the 2016 opinion poll. 

 

Chris Grayling who introduced the question of street riots into the equation is in the remain camp. He was just one of the 480 MPs who wanted to remainin the EU. It shows where their loyalties lieand that's with the EU where they can be on 200K a year in GBPs if they play their cards right.

 

[nauseus]

15 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

The Channel 4 debate was a bunch of hand picked activists, not representative of the young ... little Tory boys that have bought the ERG mantra. If the debate was old people you'd have a few vocal Remainers ... but we all know that most are leavers.

 

I'm glad that gave you a bit of a boost, cause when the youth vote comes in the disappointment will be palpable.

You didn't watch it did you?

[nauseus]

14 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

Project fear was a marketing slogan designed to convince people to vote for something not in their interests ... playing to their emotions. The new project fear is the threat of civil unrest, if you have a second referendum. Bring it on ... no one cares. The tide is turning on Brexit lies.

Ah............the NEW project fear. Right. ????

[Nigel Garvie]

1 hour ago, AlexRich said:

All those old pensioners causing havoc in tea rooms up and down the country? Bring it on ... I'd happily join the opposing forces ... that would outnumber any right wing rabble that tried to cause trouble. Tommy Islam and his merry band of retards ... all 2,000 of them.

Quote ..."Transport Secretary Chris Grayling earlier told the Daily Mail that not leaving the EU would cause the 17 million people who voted for Brexit to feel "cheated". He said blocking Brexit could lead to a surge in far-right extremism. 

Lord Hattersley dismissed those comments, saying not many would regard Mr Grayling as "an expert in these matters". 

My 5 star comment came from David Lammy, who said it was "A desperate attempt by a government minister, to use a tiny far-right minority to hold our democracy to ransom", adding: "It is gutter politics."

[Nigel Garvie]

1 hour ago, AlexRich said:

All those old pensioners causing havoc in tea rooms up and down the country? Bring it on ... I'd happily join the opposing forces ... that would outnumber any right wing rabble that tried to cause trouble. Tommy Islam and his merry band of retards ... all 2,000 of them.

Again with regard to the terrifying prospect you mention of aging Brexiteers causing havoc in tea rooms, the Daily Mash clearly agrees with you. 

 

Brexit riots ‘would be shittest riots ever’

ANY riots caused by Brexit being cancelled or watered down would be extremely poor quality, experts believe.

Civil unrest is likely to be crap due to Brexiters being elderly or unwilling to do more than walk to a polling station for the pathetic satisfaction of telling the EU to bugger off.

Riot policeman Tom Logan said: “We’d probably be administering first aid to rioters who’d given themselves a hernia trying to throw a brick.

“A mass charge by mobility scooters could leave officers with slightly bruised legs, but we could just block their path with police vans until bladder issues forced them to retreat.”

Political analyst Nikki Hollis said: “A problem for any Brexit riot is that many supporters are just internet hard men who’d run a mile from real-life opposition, even it’s just some Guardian-reading ponce.

“A lot were pig-ignorant about what they were voting for anyway, so it’s likely they’ve completely lost interest now the debate has moved on to lots of really tedious, complicated stuff.

“Also, by their very nature, Brexiters are more likely to throw a brick through their own windows.”

[anon676545345]

6 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Ah............the NEW project fear. Right. ????

 

I laughed at that as well typical hysterical remainer hyperbole it's actually pretty amazing how deluded these fools are. Already celebrating the results of a referendum that neither the Prime minister nor the Leader of the opposition want and one it's highly unlikely they'd win anyway. Non of the dire predictions of the remain campaign have come to pass, for all their blustering the economy has grown. Seriously we've had 2 years since the referendum with remain controlling the media narrative and all we've had is doom mongering. Why have they not been extolling the virtues of staying in the EU? There aren't any that's why. 

[yogi100]

39 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

The young are overwhelmingly Remainers ... and they are getting a final say in the matter, which is fitting given that they will have to shoulder the burden of Brexit. Now they know what's at stake they'll be active voters ... just think of those Momentum types and the effort they'll put into getting out the youth vote.

 

Nope, if this thing goes to a second referendum Brexit is dead.

Most of the few younger English people I know who are left in London (most have been ethnically cleansed by the political policies of various housing organisations) are Brexit supporters who fear losing their livelihoods to foreign scab workers who are arriving in droves at Victoria Coach Station every day. But some of them have no address so they can't get on the voters register or if they can don't know how to go about it.

 

But as most of these youngsters are manual worker types who never went on to further education and as no politicians in London could give a toss about them let alone represent them they no longer count in British society. And these are Englishmen living in the capital city of the country their forefathers fought for and died for in two world wars. 

 

And these politicians have the gall stand in silence with heads bowed to lay wreaths at the Cenotaph every November the Eleventh. Arch hypocrites every man jack of 'em.

[yogi100]

39 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

The young are overwhelmingly Remainers ... and they are getting a final say in the matter, which is fitting given that they will have to shoulder the burden of Brexit. Now they know what's at stake they'll be active voters ... just think of those Momentum types and the effort they'll put into getting out the youth vote.

 

Nope, if this thing goes to a second referendum Brexit is dead.

Most of the few younger English people I know who are left in London (most have been ethnically cleansed by the political policies of various housing organisations) are Brexit supporters who fear losing their livelihoods to foreign scab workers who are arriving in droves at Victoria Coach Station every day. But some of them have no address so they can't get on the voters register or if they can don't know how to go about it.

 

But as most of these youngsters are manual worker types who never went on to further education and as no politicians in London could give a toss about them let alone represent them they no longer count in British society. And these are Englishmen living in the capital city of the country their forefathers fought for and died for in two world wars. 

 

And these politicians have the gall stand in silence with heads bowed to lay wreaths at the Cenotaph every November the Eleventh. Arch hypocrites every man jack of 'em.

[nontabury]

2 hours ago, AlexRich said:

All those old pensioners causing havoc in tea rooms up and down the country? Bring it on ... I'd happily join the opposing forces ... that would outnumber any right wing rabble that tried to cause trouble. Tommy Islam and his merry band of retards ... all 2,000 of them.

 

  So Jon Snow collected a group of youngsters together. What did they think?

 

 

[nauseus]

16 minutes ago, Nigel Garvie said:

Again with regard to the terrifying prospect you mention of aging Brexiteers causing havoc in tea rooms, the Daily Mash clearly agrees with you. 

 

Brexit riots ‘would be shittest riots ever’

ANY riots caused by Brexit being cancelled or watered down would be extremely poor quality, experts believe.

Civil unrest is likely to be crap due to Brexiters being elderly or unwilling to do more than walk to a polling station for the pathetic satisfaction of telling the EU to bugger off.

Riot policeman Tom Logan said: “We’d probably be administering first aid to rioters who’d given themselves a hernia trying to throw a brick.

“A mass charge by mobility scooters could leave officers with slightly bruised legs, but we could just block their path with police vans until bladder issues forced them to retreat.”

Political analyst Nikki Hollis said: “A problem for any Brexit riot is that many supporters are just internet hard men who’d run a mile from real-life opposition, even it’s just some Guardian-reading ponce.

“A lot were pig-ignorant about what they were voting for anyway, so it’s likely they’ve completely lost interest now the debate has moved on to lots of really tedious, complicated stuff.

“Also, by their very nature, Brexiters are more likely to throw a brick through their own windows.”

Aah, The Mash! The Remainers choice for keeping abreast of events. 

[yogi100]

1 hour ago, Chartist said:

 

So 17,410,742 are right wing rabble, that's one hell of a rabble, if they were Tommy Robinson would be Prime Minister. 

 

TR stood up for thousands of under age working class girls who were rape victims when for years the politicians and authorities turned a blind eye to it all. If anyone should be referred to as a rabble it should be that mob of cowardly opportunists in Westminster.

 

But again because these girls were uneducated, much too young to vote and often from dysfunctional backgrounds they didn't count did they. They did not have anyone to stand up for them and the authorities with the politicians support tried to silence and imprison the few brave people who did. Even the MEPs never spoke up for them.

[yogi100]

55 minutes ago, yogi100 said:

 

Chris Grayling who introduced the question of street riots into the equation is in the remain camp. He was just one of the 480 MPs who wanted to remainin the EU. It shows where their loyalties lie and that's with the EU where they can be on 200K a year in GBPs if they play their cards right.

 

 

[AlexRich]

59 minutes ago, nauseus said:

You didn't watch it did you?

if it was recent (days) with Kristian Guru Murthy, then I did indeed?

[AlexRich]

12 minutes ago, yogi100 said:

 

TR stood up for thousands of under age working class girls who were rape victims when for years the politicians and authorities turned a blind eye to it all. If anyone should be referred to as a rabble it should be that mob of cowardly opportunists in Westminster.

 

But again because these girls were uneducated, much too young to vote and often from dysfunctional backgrounds they didn't count did they. They did not have anyone to stand up for them and the authorities with the politicians support tried to silence and imprison the few brave people who did. Even the MEPs never spoke up for them.

Tommy Islam couldn't care less about those girls. The sad fact is that child abuse has been going on in this country for centuries. What he does is try to find Muslims who are doing something wrong and then highlight it ... to help his anti-Muslim campaign. His argument is "look at what these Muslims are doing" ... therefore "all Muslims are bad".

 

He doesn't do anything to support kids who have been abused, the majority of whom have been abused by non-Muslims. He's really just using them to support his anti-Muslim agenda. 

[AlexRich]

36 minutes ago, nontabury said:

 

  So Jon Snow collected a group of youngsters together. What did they think?

 

 

Yep saw this too. The guy at the end wants us to trade with Africa ... brilliant! Again, hand-picked and unrepresentative ... as we shall all find out when the second vote comes in. One other thing, it was only leave supporters shown here ... so it was also edited by Mike Hookem for his own purposes.

 

It's good to see a bit of confidence from the hard Brexiteers ... you'll all be happy to have that second referendum then? 

 

 

[yogi100]

1 hour ago, AlexRich said:

The Channel 4 debate was a bunch of hand picked activists, not representative of the young ... little Tory boys that have bought the ERG mantra. If the debate was old people you'd have a few vocal Remainers ... but we all know that most are leavers.

 

I'm glad that gave you a bit of a boost, cause when the youth vote comes in the disappointment will be palpable.

 

The younger Brexit supporters I know are hardly little Tory boys. They're far more likely to support national socialist political ideas because generations of traditional Labour, Tory and LD politicians have turned their backs on them and let them down.

 

Their apathy along with a fear of retribution are the only reasons we've not seen them display the nationalist sentiment that is spreading among their opposite numbers in Europe.

[AlexRich]

45 minutes ago, yogi100 said:

Most of the few younger English people I know who are left in London (most have been ethnically cleansed by the political policies of various housing organisations) are Brexit supporters who fear losing their livelihoods to foreign scab workers who are arriving in droves at Victoria Coach Station every day. But some of them have no address so they can't get on the voters register or if they can don't know how to go about it.

 

But as most of these youngsters are manual worker types who never went on to further education and as no politicians in London could give a toss about them let alone represent them they no longer count in British society. And these are Englishmen living in the capital city of the country their forefathers fought for and died for in two world wars. 

 

And these politicians have the gall stand in silence with heads bowed to lay wreaths at the Cenotaph every November the Eleventh. Arch hypocrites every man jack of 'em.

 

Oh, here we go. The War? The only country that glorifies an event were 55 million plus died. The closer ties that we have with countries as a consequence of the EU makes a third European war a lot less likely. It was fascists in Germany that caused that disaster and Tommy Islam and his bunch of retards have much the same hateful mentality. The Nazi's scapegoated Jews and this clown scapegoats Muslims and immigrants. Old wine in new bottles. Those men didn't fight to repeat the mistakes of the past.  

 

[AlexRich]

2 minutes ago, yogi100 said:

 

The younger Brexit supporters I know are hardly little Tory boys. They're far more likely to support national socialist political ideas because generations of traditional Labour, Tory and LD politicians have turned their backs on them and let them down.

 

Their apathy along with a fear of retribution are the only reasons we've not seen them display the nationalist sentiment that is spreading among their opposite numbers in Europe.

National socialists? Yes, Nazi's.

[yogi100]

1 minute ago, AlexRich said:

 

Oh, here we go. The War? The only country that glorifies an event were 55 million plus died. The closer ties that we have with countries as a consequence of the EU makes a third European war a lot less likely. It was fascists in Germany that caused that disaster and Tommy Islam and his bunch of retards have much the same hateful mentality. The Nazi's scapegoated Jews and this clown scapegoats Muslims and immigrants. Old wine in new bottles. Those men didn't fight to repeat the mistakes of the past.  

 

 

It was the British Prime Minister who declared war on Germany.

 

His doing so didn't do us much good in the long run did it although none of his politician chums actually went off and fought in the conflict and naturally none died. We'd have been much better off keeping out of European affairs back then just as we would be now.