SURVEY: What should be done about BKK pollution?

[otherstuff1957]

I haven't read in any of the news reports, where the pollution is actually coming from.  Is the the hundreds of 30 - 40 year old buses that are still rumbling around the streets of BKK?  Is it factories?  Is it farmers just outside of town burning their fields?  Is it dust from the hundreds of construction sites?

 

Until we know the answers, it's really difficult to know how to answer this poll.

[Srikcir]

I voted "nothing to be done" as part of the solution is substantial decentralization of Bangkok as a residence and workplace.

Plans for more motorways, light rail and bridges leading into Bangkok to support an ever increasing destination for employment and living will negate any incremental rollback of current and future environmental pollution. Thai governments have essentially been working against themselves - why waste funds to do so?

The rationale may be in part politically motivated to focus on Bangkok to increase the influence of a conservative middle-upper income electoral base that aligns with more authoritarian government behaviors. Imagine what the balance of power might become with Chiang Mai, Trat and Songkhla areas developed to the same extent as Bangkok.

[newnative]

The first 3 choices on the survey should all be done.  Yesterday.

[DrTuner]

Invade Cambodia and place soldiers with hard ammo next to every field. Otherwise the burning will continue. Same for Thailand.

[GeoMill]

Although not that the air in Shanghai is much better. I noticed a lot of the motorbikes there are electric rather then petrol fueled. Would be a great first step. Try to promote electric vehicles. 

[MyFriend You]

11 hours ago, NE1 said:

Why the emphasis on Bangkok , the rural districts have to put up with the sugar cane burning every year .

Nothing is ever done about that.

It's the same with flooding , up country or rural flooding " it's one of those things blah blah blah ". Flooding in Bangkok........ major catastrophe.

OFF TOPIC

[MyFriend You]

It's time to go back to the future...............1972, all cars in Bangkok with factory air conditioning were levied an additional Tax..........all our US cars came ith factory we had to pay this tax.  There were only a few operating srtop lights, and a lot of BIB directing traffic -all, all cars that were waiting for either the light to change or the traffic cop to signal they could go had to turn off their engines, then turn them back on when the light turned green.  Of course taxi's looked at this as a way to extort more money rom you = "You want AC pay 40 baht more"

 

Point being, turn off your car while waiting for the 120 second red light.  It made sense then, makes sense now, dont like the smell, wear a mask inside your car.

[Denim]

Just wait and see. No need to panic. Give it time and it will go away without doing anything or making anyone responsible.

The floods always go away in the end don't they ? Just chill and be patient. It will resolve itself.

 

If not.....blame neighboring countries and ask them to do something about it.

[dcnx]

14 hours ago, Airalee said:

Get everybody riding those electric scooters I see for rent all over Los Angeles.

 

They are all over in Chiang Mai. They are surprisingly fast.

[dcnx]

6 hours ago, GeoMill said:

Although not that the air in Shanghai is much better. I noticed a lot of the motorbikes there are electric rather then petrol fueled. Would be a great first step. Try to promote electric vehicles. 

There is a company that was trying to covert Bangkok tuk tuks into electric. The story said the drivers didn’t want it because they couldn’t drive fast enough.

 

We have a few electric tuk tuks in Chiang Mai and they are plenty fast.

[cmsally]

Pollution attenuation by roadside greenbelt

 

There are so many of these articles, it is not nuclear science! But Bangkok has destroyed just about every piece of foliage standing in its quest for concrete, neon and malls. I think somewhere along the way they thought that you could just hide out from the nasty world in a mall. But now they are realising its not that simple. Gee , what a surprise, ..... not.

[a977]

1. Take all the older buses off the road

2.  Start using the odd number even number system for cars entering Bangkok (eg: odd one day even the next)

3.   Make the sugar cane growers cut the cane green as they have done in Australia for several years.

4.  Outsource the motor vehicle testing stations to someone who actually knows a little bit about cars and trucks.

5.  Last but not least get the lazy RTP off their fat <deleted> and start doing what their actually paid to do that is enforce the law the number of times I see cars and trucks travelling down the road belching out black smoke is unbelievable, it only takes a can of fuel additive to clean the injectors and stop the smoke. 

[Bwlch]

Simple just move.


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[JohnOFphon]

Put giant fans on top of all of the tall buildings and blow the pollution out to sea.

Similar to how they tried to push the flood waters out to sea..like a few years back.

Remember how well that worked?

[MichaelJohn]

Police, Police, Police .....

Like everything else; enforce the rules that are already in place.

1) Stop the lorries, motorbikes and pickups which are belching smoke.

2) Stop the people who are burning the fields.

Although this won't cure the problem it will surely make a big dent in it.

 

[Oziex1]

16 hours ago, Thomas J said:

And just exactly where do you think electricity comes from?  Grown in organic fields?  The majority of electricity is created by fossil fuels.  Oil, and natural gas.  A lesser amount by nuclear and a minuscule amount by wind, solar, and hydro electric.  And you think that battery production is clean.  Lithium used in electric cars is a rare element and there is much pollution to its mining, more for its disposal and recycling.  Andy finally one minor point.  Average income in BKK is about $25,000 baht per month. A Nissan Leaf starts at $2 million baht.  Are you loaning these people the money?    

Your points may have some truth but are not entirely relevant to the pollution in Bangkok, the bulk amount coming from vehicle exhaust, as in most large cities.

Solutions applied in other cities was to limit vehicle traffic and increase the amount of more modern less polluting vehicles.

As for affordability, those who have cars today will have cars tomorrow regardless of the type of engine.

The point you make on electric car manufacture is a reflection on our rampant consumerism, if we are to mass produce it will come at a cost to the environment.

[wobalt]

Basically you can do nothing. Close BKK for traffic? How will take the lead.?do not copy the situation as in Europe


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[wobalt]

Basically you can do nothing. Close BKK for traffic? How will take the lead.?do not copy the situation as in Europe


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[briansbiology]

On 1/27/2019 at 10:41 AM, overherebc said:

Form a very large committee.

they will need mecredes benz to drive to meetings! 

[overherebc]

5 minutes ago, briansbiology said:

they will need mecredes benz to drive to meetings! 

Diesel engined ???

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Edited January 28, 2019 by overherebc

[GeoMill]

21 hours ago, Thomas J said:

And just exactly where do you think electricity comes from?  Grown in organic fields?  The majority of electricity is created by fossil fuels.  Oil, and natural gas.  A lesser amount by nuclear and a minuscule amount by wind, solar, and hydro electric.  And you think that battery production is clean.  Lithium used in electric cars is a rare element and there is much pollution to its mining, more for its disposal and recycling.  Andy finally one minor point.  Average income in BKK is about $25,000 baht per month. A Nissan Leaf starts at $2 million baht.  Are you loaning these people the money?    

If a Nissan Leaf starts at 2 million baht it's because of taxes. The same car barely costs 1 million baht back in the Netherlands, and we have very high taxes. So the first step would be for the Thai government to reduce tax on electric cars to make it more effordable for the average population.

 

Next, last time I checked this is about pollution inside bangkok. Where do you think fossil fuel power plants are? Next to Terminal 21? The corner of Khao San road? By using electric cars you effectively reduce the pollution concentration within the city and spread it out to other parts wherever the power plants are. 

 

Judging from your post you seem to be against electric vehicles in general because of the side damage caused by for example mining. Do you suggest using fossil fuel until we completely poison ourselves? You do agree that we need to get rid of fossil fuels, and that electricity, or better yet, H2, are the only alternatives? The only way of getting there is by innovating and injecting capital in the sector. In other words, buy electric vehicles.