Two Russian Women Killed At Jomthien Beach

[pampal]

In one of the posts I read here, it states that these girls were self employed overseas.

What does that sound like to you?

If you asked a prostitute what they did, they could say they were self employed, and the overseas bit just seals the deal

If the shoe fits

btw no one deserves to die, specially like this be they a prostitute or other

but it does make a difference in the way it's investigated, and the fervor and dilligence of the police depends on what they believe the motive was.

Edited February 26, 2007 by pampal

[garp]

In one of the posts I read here, it states that these girls were self employed overseas.

What does that sound like to you?

Of course that means they were prostitutes, not a shadow of a doubt.

what a clever thing you are.

what's your job?

[Prakanong]

"Prakanong

Subtle, for two girls by themselves getting liquored up at 5 am in the morning in one of the most dangerous areas of Pattaya. I'll bet you they was the only ones that done this in the last 6 months at least, I would almost consider this sucide if it wasn't so pathetic. There has been several incidents of people being attacked for no reason in the middle of the day in that area. Watch out and do not step on any discarded needles of the local drug users."

You know this as will most who live there or read web-boards

Would an ordinary Russian though who probably does not read English anyway.

They would see this as a luxury holiday to a dream tropical destination and would probably not know its not the place to sit on the beach.

Look at the murder and rape on Samui just over a year ago - the poor english girl probably had more access to information than these victims but still went onto the beach at night.

They had been doing this a few nights apparently - probably got back from clubbing - did not want to go home so headed to the beach to watch sunrise.

OK the first few days then whack!

I have done this myself in Thailand more than a dozen years ago but not much recently although I have got up very early to go look at the beach at say 6 in Samui

Edited February 26, 2007 by Prakanong

[pattaya_girl]

well looking at the photo of them together in this link, they look like normal tourists to me enjoying themselves. ITS SO SAD !!!

http://www.pattayadailynews.com/shownews.p...NEWS=0000002484

[jackspratt]

In one of the posts I read here, it states that these girls were self employed overseas.

What does that sound like to you?

If you asked a prostitute what they did, they could say they were self employed, and the overseas bit just seals the deal

so for all you haters, retards etc....

If the shoe fits

So.......tried and convicted on the basis of a post from this entirely reliable source (TV), that they were "self employed". Some people here really scare me.

I think you have been living out your avatar too long pampal!

jack

[oevna]

This is tragic, and I hope the families of these two women can find peace. It is also unfortunate that people are making conclusions about the illegitimacy of these two ladies' stay in Thailand. Speculation is fine, but suspicious as this case is, there is no evidence so far proving that they were prostitutes, or that the Russian mafia was involved in their killng.

There are Russian prostitutes in Pattaya, but there are also Russian tourists. There may even be a lot of Russian prostitutes in Pattaya, but "a lot" is a very subjective term. High-profile crimes will always be more visible than legitimate, uneventul situations, which outnumber the high-profile crimes by a large margin. You don't see news stories with headlines like "Foreign Tourist has Uneventful Visit to Pattaya." But how many such cases are there every year, compared to the small handful of news stories about tragedies like this?

As far as I am concerned, until there is real evidence, any theory is possible, and no conclusion is reasonable.

Cheers,

-oev

[garp]

And from the nation....

"Both the women worked as telephone operators in Vladimit City and were visiting Thailand in a tour group."

[Loaded]

RIP - terrible waste of life

[Paully900]

Oh Geez!!!!

First it was The Russians are coming! The Russians are coming!

Now where will they go?

Time to find a suspect, any suspect, and have a very quick public lynching. That'll do it.

Guess they didn't read the book about not offending the face of a Thai.

If there is a silver lining in this horrid event, and there really isn't, I suppose it will be easier to locate a vacant beach chair for awhile. Also, people are likely to be really, really polite to the vendors.

People are likely to be really, really polite to the vendors or they just kill you?

Make all the tourists coming here and bringing there money to learn that BOOK about not offending the face of a Thai, and specially those beach criminals you call

the vendors.

[pampal]

In one of the posts I read here, it states that these girls were self employed overseas.

What does that sound like to you?

If you asked a prostitute what they did, they could say they were self employed, and the overseas bit just seals the deal

If the shoe fits

So.......tried and convicted on the basis of a post from this entirely reliable source (TV), that they were "self employed". Some people here really scare me.

I think you have been living out your avatar too long pampal!

jack

Oh Jack

Dead people cannot be tried and convicted, except posthumously(spelling?).

I am not judging or trying to convict anyone, but what and who these girls were, will ultimately decide what way the police investigate.

So please read my post before responding.

Scary hmm,  the Naive people scare me more than people who aren't afraid of looking at different angles of a crime. that's how you can solve things, by being open minded, not by being naive and uninformed.

crimes are solved by looking at evidence, but also realizing that evidence can be tampered with after a crime. Dont take anything at face value, dig a little and you might find the truth.

Naivete gets you nowhere my friend

Edited February 26, 2007 by pampal

[Prakanong]

And from the nation....

"Both the women worked as telephone operators in Vladimit City and were visiting Thailand in a tour group."

Nah - the intelligent guys on here who just "KNEW" they were hookers could never be wrong - sue The Nation.

Emprical evidence and thaivisa are a bit too far apart for some

[Khun ?]

Nobody has mentioned that these girls could be members of the Russian Mafia.

Naw, they would not be there drinking cheap booze.

Could be they had problems back home and was sent on a nice paid for vacation. Easier for accident to happen and hidden to those involved( more or less whateveryone has been speculating, some type of crime element at work).

Pattaya girl

It is a shame the present situation and until they humiliate the corrupt and violent people, it will not change much. I see a 10 pm curfew coming for those under 18 and under 16 not driving a moped around half the night. Are thais so rich they can all afford mopeds for thier children to run around on. What happened to the normal bicycle and parental role models. It is all about the easy and quick money.

This is the problem with resort areas the world over. Time to had to the country side and let the thugs kill each other. JMHO

I have no desire to spend 10's of thousand $ in Thailand as I once did nor ever visiting again.

[pampal]

And from the nation....

"Both the women worked as telephone operators in Vladimit City and were visiting Thailand in a tour group."

Nah - the intelligent guys on here who just "KNEW" they were hookers could never be wrong - sue The Nation.

Emprical evidence and thaivisa are a bit too far apart for some

I know prostitutes that are office workers, secretaries, food vendors, house wives, shop attendants and a host of other occupations. but come night time, it's time for the second job

so stop being so naive and please realize that because someone has a day job,it doesn't mean they cannot be a hooker

It's clear as day,  well to some people anyway

If you meant to say empirical evidence, your post would make more sense,

Edited February 26, 2007 by pampal

[pattaya_girl]

it is NOT clear to me at all. just because they come from russia, and on the beach at 5am in the morning, you jump to conclusions - YOU DONT KNOW..... some tourists on holidays party all night and sleep all day - you are jumping to conclusions. just coz they had quite a lot of make up on, makes them a hooker???????????? they look like nice ladies to me on that photo, and very beautiful, with normal clothes on,,, and i dont care what anyone says. i have my own views - still waiting to see if the deck chair man has surfaced yet !!!!

[garp]

I know prostitutes that are office workers, secretaries, food vendors, house wives, shop attendants and a host of other occupations. but come night time, it's time for the second job

I'm sure you do.

[LoveDaBlues]

And from the nation....

"Both the women worked as telephone operators in Vladimit City and were visiting Thailand in a tour group."

Nah - the intelligent guys on here who just "KNEW" they were hookers could never be wrong - sue The Nation.

Emprical evidence and thaivisa are a bit too far apart for some

I know prostitutes that are office workers, secretaries, food vendors, house wives, shop attendants and a host of other occupations. but come night time, it's time for the second job

so stop being so naive and please realize that because someone has a day job,it doesn't mean they cannot be a hooker

It's clear as day,  well to some people anyway

If you meant to say empirical evidence, your post would make more sense,

I also know office workers, secretaries, food vendors, house wives, shop attendants and a host of others who ARE NOT hookers........

only one thing here is clear as day.......

[Khun ?]

"Prakanong

Subtle, for two girls by themselves getting liquored up at 5 am in the morning in one of the most dangerous areas of Pattaya. I'll bet you they was the only ones that done this in the last 6 months at least, I would almost consider this sucide if it wasn't so pathetic. There has been several incidents of people being attacked for no reason in the middle of the day in that area. Watch out and do not step on any discarded needles of the local drug users."

You know this as will most who live there or read web-boards

Would an ordinary Russian though who probably does not read English anyway.

They would see this as a luxury holiday to a dream tropical destination and would probably not know its not the place to sit on the beach.

Look at the murder and rape on Samui just over a year ago - the poor english girl probably had more access to information than these victims but still went onto the beach at night.

They had been doing this a few nights apparently - probably got back from clubbing - did not want to go home so headed to the beach to watch sunrise.

OK the first few days then whack!

I have done this myself in Thailand more than a dozen years ago but not much recently although I have got up very early to go look at the beach at say 6 in Samui

This is the problem. Who paid for these girls tickets and left them like this. If someone thinks well enough of them to spend moey to get them here then they would also make certain the do's and don'ts were followed, at least one would think. As a guy it is not safe anywhere close to the beach at night and that is in a group.

Then again i guess the girls could be doing their thing after spending the night clubbing with their host.

Still pathetic whatever the case and just hope they had no children back home to mourn this senseless act.

Need to have a danger Icon added for post.

[Prakanong]

And from the nation....

"Both the women worked as telephone operators in Vladimit City and were visiting Thailand in a tour group."

Nah - the intelligent guys on here who just "KNEW" they were hookers could never be wrong - sue The Nation.

Emprical evidence and thaivisa are a bit too far apart for some

I know prostitutes that are office workers, secretaries, food vendors, house wives, shop attendants and a host of other occupations. but come night time, it's time for the second job

so stop being so naive and please realize that because someone has a day job,it doesn't mean they cannot be a hooker

It's clear as day,  well to some people anyway

If you meant to say empirical evidence, your post would make more sense,

Of course I meant o say empirical evidence - any idiot would know that ;-))

As for hookers with other jobs - yes of course there are many

But why oh why jump to the conclusion these were hookers as well as having other jobs as the first thought in tiny minds?

Because thy were in Pattaya

Because they were young Russian women?

As more comes out and police above beleive they were just innocent tourists with no nefarious activities some of the keyboard warriors of the terrior persuasion who still see grassy knolls everywhere will not be convinced unless it comes out these girls were the equivalent of mother Theresa and Princess di combined.

These are the people who are naive - never been anywhere and see too many movies and read shitty fiction.

Really ought to get out more some of these people and Pattay is not thailand and Thailand not Asia .

[pampal]

I know prostitutes that are office workers, secretaries, food vendors, house wives, shop attendants and a host of other occupations. but come night time, it's time for the second job

I'm sure you do.

well if you must know,

I also know hookers who are

University students, including masters and PHD candidates.

real smart in bed

[pampal]

And from the nation....

"Both the women worked as telephone operators in Vladimit City and were visiting Thailand in a tour group."

Nah - the intelligent guys on here who just "KNEW" they were hookers could never be wrong - sue The Nation.

Emprical evidence and thaivisa are a bit too far apart for some

I know prostitutes that are office workers, secretaries, food vendors, house wives, shop attendants and a host of other occupations. but come night time, it's time for the second job

so stop being so naive and please realize that because someone has a day job,it doesn't mean they cannot be a hooker

It's clear as day, well to some people anyway

If you meant to say empirical evidence, your post would make more sense,

Of course I meant o say empirical evidence - any idiot would know that ;-))

As for hookers with other jobs - yes of course there are many

But why oh why jump to the conclusion these were hookers as well as having other jobs as the first thought in tiny minds?

Because thy were in Pattaya

Because they were young Russian women?

As more comes out and police above beleive they were just innocent tourists with no nefarious activities some of the keyboard warriors of the terrior persuasion who still see grassy knolls everywhere will not be convinced unless it comes out these girls were the equivalent of mother Theresa and Princess di combined.

These are the people who are naive - never been anywhere and see too many movies and read shitty fiction.

Really ought to get out more some of these people and Pattay is not thailand and Thailand not Asia .

**flame removed***

So you are not in denial anymore, good.

Edited February 26, 2007 by sbk

[pattaya_girl]

to the guy with the boxing coming out of his pc screen... we are talking about two female tourists who have been murdered on jomtien beach, we are not talking about hookers that are "smart in bed" we dont wanna know, so shut it......

[Amdesign]

Many Russian girls work as entertainers in Bangkok's numerous night clubs, or can be hired as "escorts"....

http://www.asiapacificms.com/articles/russian_mafia/

Here their talking about 1995. there are many more Ruskys here now. and a lot more established.

Since 1995 Russia changed a lot. Economy and national pride grew up considerably (contrary to desire of some 'democrats' abroad) and new waves of girls 'working' abroad is much much smaller. You are trying to make conclusions on old data. Besides, many of those you cal Russians are actually Ukrainians, Uzbek, Kazakh and others from CIS contries with lower living standards.

[jackspratt]

In one of the posts I read here, it states that these girls were self employed overseas.

What does that sound like to you?

If you asked a prostitute what they did, they could say they were self employed, and the overseas bit just seals the deal

If the shoe fits

So.......tried and convicted on the basis of a post from this entirely reliable source (TV), that they were "self employed". Some people here really scare me.

I think you have been living out your avatar too long pampal!

jack

Oh Jack

Dead people cannot be tried and convicted, except posthumously(spelling?).

I am not judging or trying to convict anyone, but what and who these girls were, will ultimately decide what way the police investigate.

So please read my post before responding.

Scary hmm, the Naive people scare me more than people who aren't afraid of looking at different angles of a crime. that's how you can solve things, by being open minded, not by being naive and uninformed.

crimes are solved by looking at evidence, but also realizing that evidence can be tampered with after a crime. Dont take anything at face value, dig a little and you might find the truth.

Naivete gets you nowhere my friend

So please enlighten us all with your evidence, Sherlock.

"Straight forward Dr Watson - I read a post on TV which said they were self employed overseas. The inescapable conclusion is therefore that they are (were) prostitutes.

Now stop wasting my time, and lets get on with solving the next case. "

[LoveDaBlues]

And from the nation....

"Both the women worked as telephone operators in Vladimit City and were visiting Thailand in a tour group."

Nah - the intelligent guys on here who just "KNEW" they were hookers could never be wrong - sue The Nation.

Emprical evidence and thaivisa are a bit too far apart for some

I know prostitutes that are office workers, secretaries, food vendors, house wives, shop attendants and a host of other occupations. but come night time, it's time for the second job

so stop being so naive and please realize that because someone has a day job,it doesn't mean they cannot be a hooker

It's clear as day,  well to some people anyway

If you meant to say empirical evidence, your post would make more sense,

Of course I meant o say empirical evidence - any idiot would know that ;-))

As for hookers with other jobs - yes of course there are many

But why oh why jump to the conclusion these were hookers as well as having other jobs as the first thought in tiny minds?

Because thy were in Pattaya

Because they were young Russian women?

As more comes out and police above beleive they were just innocent tourists with no nefarious activities some of the keyboard warriors of the terrior persuasion who still see grassy knolls everywhere will not be convinced unless it comes out these girls were the equivalent of mother Theresa and Princess di combined.

These are the people who are naive - never been anywhere and see too many movies and read shitty fiction.

Really ought to get out more some of these people and Pattay is not thailand and Thailand not Asia .

Have to agree with your post.....except this part in red.

Pattaya IS Thailand......specifically the bung_hole......the big, brown crown jewel bung_hole of Thailand. These murders are just another fart from the Pattaya bung_hole.......stay tuned more farts to follow soon....

[slimdog]

Police find leads in Russian tourists' murder

BANGKOK, Feb 26 (TNA) – Thai police investigators have produced some clues suggesting that a gang of foreigners may have been involved in the murder of two Russian tourists at Jomtien beach in the popular seaside resort of Pattaya on Saturday morning.

Police Lieutenant General Assawin Kwanmuang, Region 2 Provincial Police commissioner, said he had instructed the police investigating team to seek an early arrest of the culprit after close examination of

the victims' holiday snapshots taken while visiting some tourist attractions as well as security camera images which found that a gang of foreigners, in particular "The Chopper Gang", a local group in

Pattaya, may have been involved in the killings.

The police officer did not provide more details about the so-called gang, but indicated that mobile phone records of the two women are being thoroughly checked for further evidence as they used local simcards to call in and out prior to the killings.

Tatiana Tsimfer, 30, and Liubov Svirkova, 25, were found dead in their beach chairs at about 5am Saturday after being repeatedly shot by an unknown assailant, police said.

Police said the two women were tourists who had arrived in Thailand on February 16 and were due to depart on March 1.

Earlier police offered a Bt100,000 (about US$3,000) reward for the capture of the gunman. They also released a video monitor sequence of a tall man aged about 30, captured by security camera, parking a

motorcycle at a beachside road, running to the two Russian women and shooting the pair before fleeing on the motorcycle.

Gen. Assawin said Sunday that the women worked as telephone operators in Russia and were visiting Thailand for the first time with a tour group. They had noting to do with illegal transnational prostitution,

according to personal records shown by a representative from the Russian Embassy.

He also ruled out the possibility of robbery as the victims' belongings were left untouched.

Pattaya, about 110 kilometres (70 miles) southeast of Bangkok, is popular among foreign holidaymakers. The beach resort attracts tens of thousands of Russian tourists every year. (TNA)-E001

source: http://etna.mcot.net/query.php?nid=28151

[sbk]

Several posts have been edited or removed. Do not post further inflammatory remarks. Lets keep this marginally civil people

[Prakanong]

"The Chopper Gang"

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They found snapshots of these girls drinking with these guys so thery are now suspects?

Of course they should be investigated as they would have know the victims recently but is there anything else?

Who is the "Chopper Gang" - there are a few MC's in Pattaya but I have never heard of "The Chopper Gang"

[Amdesign]

Many Russian crime syndicates have set up operations in prostitution, narcotics, and contract killings hidden behind legitimate businesses like bars and restaurants in Pattaya. (Superintendent of Pattaya police station Police Coronel Pinit Satyacharoen, Preecha Sa-Ardsorn, "Police worry Russian mafia getting stronger," The Nation, 9 April 1998)

For those who argue that the Russian mafia has no place in Pattaya.

Why didn't You mention American movies? Also good proof of Russian mafia...

P.S. Now is 2007, not 1998.

[GuestHouse]

Is this the best of TV then? Two women are murdered and TV members rush to lable them Prostitutes.

An accusation we're not even allowed to throw that at bar girls.

[Prakanong]

Is this the best of TV then? Two women are murdered and TV members rush to lable them Prostitutes.

An accusation we're not even allowed to throw that at bar girls.

Exactly

It would be funny if the incident was not so serious and tragic