Bahrain issued Interpol Red Notice for Hakeem Al-Araibi, document reveals

[Just Weird]

19 hours ago, bowerboy said:

What is relevant is that Thailand is now holding him in detention against international conventions.

 

The point is that they are legally and morally entitled to let him free. They have nothing to answer to Bahrain for doing so.

 

So just set him free. The details are clear now. They don’t even need to lose face (in a sane world anyway).

Which "international conventions"?

 

The point actually is that Thailand is legally holding him in accordance with Thai law and a court will decide the outcome, not any Thaivisa poster!

[Just Weird]

17 hours ago, Prissana Pescud said:

It is interesting that you mention red bull man. It took days to detain a Bahrain interpol notice.

How many years has it been for Thailand to ISSUE an interpol notice against small ball red bull man

Thailand did ask Interpol to issue a notice!

Edited February 10, 2019 by Just Weird

[Just Weird]

16 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

The guy's not an "alleged refugee."  He has official political asylum status in Australia.....

 

Bahrain never should have been able to get a Red Notice issued thru Interpol. I can understand Bahrain wanting the guy. I can't understand Interpol accepting/issuing a Red Notice for a guy who has asylum status, apparently in violation of their own rules.

 

And likewise, why is Thailand arresting and jailing a guy who has legal asylum status and thus never should have been the subject of a Red Notice in the first place?

 

A red notice was in force and he was therefore subject to it when he was arrested, this has been reported so many times.  It was cancelled 3 days after he was arrested, after the legal process had been started after someone, not Thailand, messed up.

[Just Weird]

7 hours ago, Huckenfell said:

Yes, and Thailand can undo it immediately  if they have the will.

Not legally, they can't!  There's a legal process underway.

[Just Weird]

7 hours ago, Huckenfell said:

Thousands of us care.  Thank you.

Millions don't. Thank you.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

2 minutes ago, Just Weird said:

A red notice was in force and he was therefore subject to it when he was arrested, this has been reported so many times.  It was cancelled 3 days after he was arrested, after the legal process had been started after someone, not Thailand, messed up.

 

But Thailand has proceeded to handle his case as if he was the subject of a legitimate Red Notice, when it's clear to everyone by now that he never should have been the subject of a Red Notice in the first place, and according to your comment above, it's already long since been cancelled.

 

I wasn't blaming Thailand for the original debacle. I was questioning why Thailand is continuing to treat the guy legally like he's a criminal, including denying him bail, when from all legal indications, he's not (except if Bahrain happened to get their hands on him).

 

[Just Weird]

6 hours ago, Cadbury said:

 

As for Thailand, what is there to say about this callous and inhumane junta regime. The sad part is they seem to enjoy being the way they are. As justification they make some pathetic excuse that the Court processes cannot be reversed or halted.

There is this to be said, Thailand has acted legally in line with it's legal obligations all along.  That the legal process cannot, at this stage, be halted or reversed is not "pathetic", neither is it an excuse, it is correct.

[Just Weird]

6 hours ago, farcanell said:

???????????? there’s so much wrong with this post, it beggars belief.

 

thailand did not comply with protocols.... and has been shown to have being lying, at the state level

 

the guy isn’t a pedophile, so using it as an analogy is ridiculous grandstanding to attract attention... well done, that worked

 

there is nothing alleged about his refugee status

 

and bigger picture? The bigger picture is that thailand is getting away with trampling on the rights of citizens of another country, without due cause... stuff up aside, this should have been sorted within hours, or perhaps days, but not weeks and months.

 

crikey..... I can’t understand how any expat would applaud the unjust detention of a foreign citizen.... it could be you next, for no other reason than your a foreigner and constable somchai doesn’t understand the law....

And there's so much wrong with your post that it beggars belief!

 

Thailand absolutely did comply with all legal protocols!  There was a red notice in force when he was arrested!

 

At the time of his arrest his refugee status was only "alleged".

 

"The bigger picture is that thailand is getting away with trampling on the rights of citizens of another country, without due cause..."

Thailand is trying to sort it out through the correct, legal process!  It is not "trampling on" anyone's rights.

 

"...it could be you next, for no other reason than your a foreigner and constable somchai doesn’t understand the law...."

Garbage.  That would only happen if you've committed an offence, been found guilty of it in a court of law, sentenced and then do a runner that prompts the issue of an Interpol notice.

[Just Weird]

5 hours ago, Artisi said:

Excellent point regarding why issue a red notice when you have already accepted/approved  refugee status.

Unfortunately not only the Thai authorities missed that point, so did many TVF posters in their collective wisdom trying to air superior knowledge. 

It's not the Thai authorities job to examine the aspects of the issuance of every Interpol notice and to have to go through a court process to decide if it is valid!   If there is one it is reasonable to assume that it was properly issued.

[Just Weird]

25 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

But Thailand has proceeded to handle his case as if he was the subject of a legitimate Red Notice, when it's clear to everyone by now that he never should have been the subject of a Red Notice in the first place, and according to your comment above, it's already long since been cancelled.

 

I wasn't blaming Thailand for the original debacle. I was questioning why Thailand is continuing to treat the guy legally like he's a criminal, including denying him bail, when from all legal indications, he's not (except if Bahrain happened to get their hands on him).

 

"...when it's clear to everyone by now that he never should have been the subject of a Red Notice in the first place".

Doesn't matter, when he was arrested he was subject to a red notice!

 

"I was questioning why Thailand is continuing to treat the guy legally like he's a criminal..."

Because he is now subject to a court case that has to be heard that cannot be blamed on Thailand!  Imagine the uproar from Thaivisa posters in particular if Thai courts suddenly started to throw out or cancel cases, willy-nilly without them ever being heard.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

16 minutes ago, Just Weird said:

 

"I was questioning why Thailand is continuing to treat the guy legally like he's a criminal..."

Because he is now subject to a court case that has to be heard that cannot be blamed on Thailand!  Imagine the uproar from Thaivisa posters in particular if Thai courts suddenly started to throw out or cancel cases, willy-nilly without them ever being heard.

 

the purpose of courts and prosecutors is to obtain justice. As soon as it became clear that the original complaint again him was wrong/invalid and had been withdrawn, the Thai police or prosecutor should have withdrawn the case against him, and/or, the court before which he appeared just the other day should have dismissed it as a legally incorrect injustice that had its origin in error.

 

The analogy here is kind of like, the Thais start to prosecute someone for murder, then DNA evidence comes along that clearly shows the suspect was not the killer, and then they continue to prosecute the guy as if nothing had happened and ignoring the evidence.  It's not justice, it's a miscarriage of justice.

 

 

Edited February 10, 2019 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[Bluespunk]

1 hour ago, TopDeadSenter said:

aha, unless this Red Bull absconder has learnt to kick a football around as a part-time job, and has converted to Islam. Which as we see would make him untouchable and able to flaunt any and all laws of all countries as he chooses otherwise the internet will erupt in tears.

 

 Isn't it amazing nobody cares about the poor Bahraini police officers who were brutally attacked in their station by a large mob throwing molotov cocktails. Did the police officers have young families dependent on Daddy bringing home the monthly wage and food on the table? How did the families feel watching the news that evening? Were the officers feeling anxiety as the mob launched their attack? Were they terrified? 

 

 This whole issue is so one sided. The Thai IDC is full of families and even young children. Children that definitely did not launch a violent assault on a police station.

I doubt anybody doesn't care about those who suffered during this attack and I have not seen anyone deny it happened.

 

However that is no reason to send an innocent man back to face the consequences of an attack he had no involvement in.

[Just Weird]

5 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

the purpose of courts and prosecutors is to obtain justice. As soon as it became clear that the original complaint again him was wrong/invalid and had been withdrawn, the Thai police or prosecutor should have withdrawn the case against him, and/or, the court before which he appeared just the other day should have dismissed it as a legally incorrect injustice that had its origin in error.

 

His original conviction (it was not a "wrong" or "invalid complaint") has not been "withdrawn"! 

[farcanell]

18 minutes ago, Just Weird said:

And there's so much wrong with your post that it beggars belief!

 

Thailand absolutely did comply with all legal protocols!  There was a red notice in force when he was arrested!

 

At the time of his arrest his refugee status was only "alleged".

 

"The bigger picture is that thailand is getting away with trampling on the rights of citizens of another country, without due cause..."

Thailand is trying to sort it out through the correct, legal process!  It is not "trampling on" anyone's rights.

 

"...it could be you next, for no other reason than your a foreigner and constable somchai doesn’t understand the law...."

Garbage.  That would only happen if you've committed an offence, been found guilty of it in a court of law, sentenced and then do a runner that prompts the issue of an Interpol notice.

Ah... still weird.... that’s reassuring.... and still wrong, I see.

 

al araibi had his official documents with him, to prove his refugee status.... these should have been considered on his arrival, and once the erroneous red notice was lifted, 2 days after his arrest, the man should have been released.... this is a screw up over documentation, at best. Political, at worst.

 

this was a wee bit of a set up... he visited the embassy to apply for a visa on 4/11... it was granted on 8/11.... Bahrain was erroneously granted a red notice on ..... you got it... 8/11

 

so.... while your opinion seems to be that only those that should feel in danger of being arrested (wrong doers), need worry, there are a whole litany of examples where those that shouldn’t feel in danger, are arrested (this being one of them).... this litany of examples has even caused the creation of an international body called amnesty international, amongst other organizations, that actively campaigne for the release of unjust detainees.... but don’t let that bother you

 

and, whilst you also don’t feel thailand is trampling on individual rights, we will just have to disagree. Thailand has a history of sending people back to a country that imprisons them, and has only recently acknowledged this by claiming that in future, it will follow international norms.... which it is not doing with this case, and they admit it... if thailand cared about not trampling on individual rights, it would be participating in the refugee treaties, not contemplating sending someone to a country that will in all likelihood torture that person.

 

if you feel extradition of al araibi to Bahrain is just.... well... just weird covers it pretty well.

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

16 minutes ago, Just Weird said:

His original conviction (it was not a "wrong" or "invalid complaint") has not been "withdrawn"! 

 

I'm talking about the Interpol Red Notice, which is what got him in trouble in Thailand. And you indicated above that had been already canceled. Thus no basis for the Thai authorities to continue to hold him.

 

 

[farcanell]

32 minutes ago, Just Weird said:

"...when it's clear to everyone by now that he never should have been the subject of a Red Notice in the first place".

Doesn't matter, when he was arrested he was subject to a red notice!

 

"I was questioning why Thailand is continuing to treat the guy legally like he's a criminal..."

Because he is now subject to a court case that has to be heard that cannot be blamed on Thailand!  Imagine the uproar from Thaivisa posters in particular if Thai courts suddenly started to throw out or cancel cases, willy-nilly without them ever being heard.

Still weird... still wrong.

 

It (the court case) does not have to be heard and can (and should) be dismissed at any time by the prime minister.

 

meanwhile, the international community is in an uproar over the manacled images of al araibi, taken by foreign media, because the Thai media air brush that sort of abuse out of the pictures, keeping Thai people ignorant of the truth of abuse.

 

that there is another trampled right.

 

 

[Just Weird]

26 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

I'm talking about the Interpol Red Notice, which is what got him in trouble in Thailand. And you indicated above that had been already canceled. Thus no basis for the Thai authorities to continue to hold him.

It was cancelled 3 days after his arrest and after the court case had started, thus, no basis for him to be released without going through the court process.

[Just Weird]

42 minutes ago, farcanell said:

Ah... still weird.... that’s reassuring.... and still wrong, I see.

 

al araibi had his official documents with him, to prove his refugee status.... these should have been considered on his arrival, and once the erroneous red notice was lifted, 2 days after his arrest, the man should have been released.... this is a screw up over documentation, at best. Political, at worst.

 

this was a wee bit of a set up... he visited the embassy to apply for a visa on 4/11... it was granted on 8/11.... Bahrain was erroneously granted a red notice on ..... you got it... 8/11

 

so.... while your opinion seems to be that only those that should feel in danger of being arrested (wrong doers), need worry, there are a whole litany of examples where those that shouldn’t feel in danger, are arrested (this being one of them).... this litany of examples has even caused the creation of an international body called amnesty international, amongst other organizations, that actively campaigne for the release of unjust detainees.... but don’t let that bother you

 

and, whilst you also don’t feel thailand is trampling on individual rights, we will just have to disagree. Thailand has a history of sending people back to a country that imprisons them, and has only recently acknowledged this by claiming that in future, it will follow international norms.... which it is not doing with this case, and they admit it... if thailand cared about not trampling on individual rights, it would be participating in the refugee treaties, not contemplating sending someone to a country that will in all likelihood torture that person.

 

if you feel extradition of al araibi to Bahrain is just.... well... just weird covers it pretty well.

 

"if you feel extradition of al araibi to Bahrain is just.... well... just weird covers it pretty well".

He hasn't been extradited!

 

"al araibi had his official documents with him, to prove his refugee status.... these should have been considered on his arrival..."

They were, as were the Interpol documents!  Any reason why both should not have been considered?

 

"...this is a screw up over documentation, at best".

You may be right but it certainly wasn't Thailand's fault that there was a documentation screw-up.

 

"...while your opinion seems to be that only those that should feel in danger of being arrested (wrong doers), need worry, there are a whole litany of examples where those that shouldn’t feel in danger, are arrested..."

In Thailand? Such as?

 

"Thailand has a history of sending people back to a country that imprisons them..."

And they don't deserve it?  Who exactly? 

Many countries, including you own, do exactly the same, that is not exclusive to Thailand!

[Just Weird]

45 minutes ago, farcanell said:

Still weird... still wrong.

 

It (the court case) does not have to be heard and can (and should) be dismissed at any time by the prime minister.

 

meanwhile, the international community is in an uproar over the manacled images of al araibi, taken by foreign media, because the Thai media air brush that sort of abuse out of the pictures, keeping Thai people ignorant of the truth of abuse.

 

that there is another trampled right.

 

 

"that there is another trampled right".

What is the right that you are calling "trampled" in that post above?  What "abuse"?

[farcanell]

17 minutes ago, Just Weird said:

"if you feel extradition of al araibi to Bahrain is just.... well... just weird covers it pretty well".

He hasn't been extradited!

 

"al araibi had his official documents with him, to prove his refugee status.... these should have been considered on his arrival..."

They were, as were the Interpol documents!  Any reason why both should not have been considered?

 

"...this is a screw up over documentation, at best".

You may be right but it certainly wasn't Thailand's fault that there was a documentation screw-up.

 

"...while your opinion seems to be that only those that should feel in danger of being arrested (wrong doers), need worry, there are a whole litany of examples where those that shouldn’t feel in danger, are arrested..."

In Thailand? Such as?

 

"Thailand has a history of sending people back to a country that imprisons them..."

And they don't deserve it?  Who exactly? 

Many countries, including you own, do exactly the same, that is not exclusive to Thailand!

He’s facing a court case were the outcome might see his extradition

 

both documents should have been taken into account. In questioning this, it would have become clear that the red notice was incorrectly issued, and al araibi should have been released

 

fear of being unjustly arrested in Thailand?.... are you seeking examples?

https://www.amnesty.org/en/countries/asia-and-the-pacific/thailand/report-thailand/

 

Sent back to countries...

https://asylumaccess.org/asylum-seekers-and-refugees-lack-protection-in-thailand/

 

please provide an example where australia sent someone away, knowing torture was highly likely as part of repatriation.... (and I will condemn that action, too)

[Classic Ray]

Haven’t read through all the pages so don’t know if anyone saw that there are actually two issues 1. Issue of Red Notice by Bahrain 2. Issue of Red Notice ALERT by Australia. After the Red Notice was issued, Australia would have checked passenger list against Interpol records which flagged the footballer as wanted, so they told Thailand. They should have checked his refugee status which would have stopped them notifying Thailand. Thailand should have checked his papers on arrival, confirmed he was a refugee and either refused him entry or allowed him free passage. Detention was not justified. 

[farcanell]

13 minutes ago, Just Weird said:

"that there is another trampled right".

What is the right that you are calling "trampled" in that post above?  What "abuse"?

Taken into court in leg irons.... that’s abusive.... and Thai media air brush it away, as if it doesn’t happen, and because they know it’s abusive.

[scorecard]

35 minutes ago, farcanell said:

Taken into court in leg irons.... that’s abusive.... and Thai media air brush it away, as if it doesn’t happen, and because they know it’s abusive.

Could also be air brushed away because it looks more beautiful.

[scorecard]

39 minutes ago, Classic Ray said:

Haven’t read through all the pages so don’t know if anyone saw that there are actually two issues 1. Issue of Red Notice by Bahrain 2. Issue of Red Notice ALERT by Australia. After the Red Notice was issued, Australia would have checked passenger list against Interpol records which flagged the footballer as wanted, so they told Thailand. They should have checked his refugee status which would have stopped them notifying Thailand. Thailand should have checked his papers on arrival, confirmed he was a refugee and either refused him entry or allowed him free passage. Detention was not justified. 

 

"..... confirmed he was a refugee and either refused him entry or allowed him free passage. Detention was not justified. ....."

 

I add 'if needed refused him entry and put him on a return flight to the Australian airport of departure.' 

[Artisi]

2 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

the purpose of courts and prosecutors is to obtain justice. As soon as it became clear that the original complaint again him was wrong/invalid and had been withdrawn, the Thai police or prosecutor should have withdrawn the case against him, and/or, the court before which he appeared just the other day should have dismissed it as a legally incorrect injustice that had its origin in error.

 

The analogy here is kind of like, the Thais start to prosecute someone for murder, then DNA evidence comes along that clearly shows the suspect was not the killer, and then they continue to prosecute the guy as if nothing had happened and ignoring the evidence.  It's not justice, it's a miscarriage of justice.

 

 

that's of course if all the DNA isn't used up / missing / poorly tested / side tracked etc.- koh Tao comes to mind.

[Russell17au]

2 hours ago, farcanell said:

Taken into court in leg irons.... that’s abusive.... and Thai media air brush it away, as if it doesn’t happen, and because they know it’s abusive.

If taken into court in shackles is abusive then Australia, America and most other countries that do the same thing are abusing the prisoners rights.

All prisoners are shackled for transport between the remand centres and the courts, it is then up to the judge at the court on whether the prisoner remains shackled or not. 

[White Christmas13]

5 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

aha, unless this Red Bull absconder has learnt to kick a football around as a part-time job, and has converted to Islam. Which as we see would make him untouchable and able to flaunt any and all laws of all countries as he chooses otherwise the internet will erupt in tears.

 

 Isn't it amazing nobody cares about the poor Bahraini police officers who were brutally attacked in their station by a large mob throwing molotov cocktails. Did the police officers have young families dependent on Daddy bringing home the monthly wage and food on the table? How did the families feel watching the news that evening? Were the officers feeling anxiety as the mob launched their attack? Were they terrified? 

 

 This whole issue is so one sided. The Thai IDC is full of families and even young children. Children that definitely did not launch a violent assault on a police station.

you talking crap show me the evidence I hate people like you just spreading nonsense

[White Christmas13]

5 hours ago, Just Weird said:

Millions don't. Thank you.

it looks like only you and a couple of racists

[stud858]

Two questions.

Why did Australia take so long for the counter claim?

Where is the document proof on date of offence to coincide with live telecast tv match?

 

I'd be a terrible judge. Always asking for facts and evidence.

[GroveHillWanderer]

5 hours ago, Just Weird said:

Which "international conventions"?

The main ones revolve around the principle of non-refoulement. According to the Leiden Journal of International Law:

 

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Non-refoulement is a fundamental principle of international law that forbids a country receiving asylum seekers from returning them to a country in which they would be in likely danger of persecution based on "race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political opinion".

It is also against the provisions of the United Nations Convention on Refugees (which, although Thailand is not a signatory to it, is an international convention nevertheless) and more significantly, the UN Convention on Torture which Thailand is a signatory to, having ratified it in 2007.

 

Article 3 of this latter convention states that, "No State Party shall expel, return, or extradite a person to another State where there are substantial grounds for believing that he would be in danger of being subjected to torture." 

 

Since that was one of the main reasons al-Araibi was granted refugee status in Australia in the first place, that would seem, at least on the face of it, to indicate that processing Bahrain's extradition request would probably mean Thailand is breaking the commitments it signed up to in 2007.