13 hours ago, emptypockets said:

In the bigger picture it's probably irrelevant who issued the red notice. Thailand complied with protocols.

Everybody would be applauding if he was a pedophile and not a footballer and alleged refugee.

Yes, and Thailand can undo it immediately  if they have the will.

50 minutes ago, khunJeroen said:

Who cares. I dont. Let him go back to Australia and stay there for the rest of his life. Can we please move on.

Thousands of us care.  Thank you.

42 minutes ago, scorecard said:

And who exactly are these Thai elites you refer to?

Hidden amongst the Hi-So.

22 minutes ago, khunJeroen said:

Thailand never signed the UN refugee treaty so his refugee status everybody is referring to is as such technically irrelevant from a legal pov. 

 

I find it naive he did not consider this when travelling. He should know as Bahraini his country would wait for its chance to arrest him. I don't say I approve, by now I actually don't know what is true or not anymore. That Thailand now follows its law is imo the most sensible thing to do.

 

UEFA is a hypocrite, indirectly finger pointing at Bahrain while organizing the world cup in Qatar. 

 

OK so as a protest, put the Qatari World on hold.

9 hours ago, Reigntax said:

The Thai version of event stunk from the start.why would Australian authorities issue a red notice after he was granted refugee status.?

The Thai authorities arent even good liars when it was clear from the start that they had stuffed up. Their excuses weren't plausible, didn't make any sense except to their own uneducated, inabilities to produce a logical sequence of events.

While it has now been confirmed that Australia did not issue the Red Notice they are not completely blameless in this disgraceful episode. They need to sharpen their act.

If Australia had been fully awake and realised that Interpol should not have issued the Red Notice they could have quietly informed Interpol of his refugee status so as to have it withdrawn without megaphoning to Thailand that he was heading their way as if confirming the Red Notice was legitimate. Someone's head should roll for this.

As for Thailand, what is there to say about this callous and inhumane junta regime. The sad part is they seem to enjoy being the way they are. As justification they make some pathetic excuse that the Court processes cannot be reversed or halted.

 

Part of the Australian statement reads:

"The Australian Government was not initially aware of this, and in line with Interpol procedure notified Thailand of Mr Alaraibi’s travel.

Australia is reviewing our procedures so that this does not happen again". 

 

Well perhaps he did seek advice whether there was any danger in travelling / travelling to Thailand?

 

I he didn't that was probably unwise, but it's not a reason to allow Bahrain to get their dirty hands on him. 

2 minutes ago, Cadbury said:

While it has now been confirmed that Australia did not issue the Red Notice they are not completely blameless in this disgraceful episode. They need to sharpen their act.

If Australia had been fully awake and realised that Interpol should not have issued the Red Notice they could have quietly informed Interpol of his refugee status so as to have it withdrawn without megaphoning to Thailand that he was heading their way as if confirming the Red Notice was legitimate. Someone's head should roll for this.

As for Thailand, what is there to say about this callous and inhumane junta regime. The sad part is they seem to enjoy being the way they are. As justification they make some pathetic excuse that the Court processes cannot be reversed or halted.

 

Part of the Australian statement reads:

"The Australian Government was not initially aware of this, and in line with Interpol procedure notified Thailand of Mr Alaraibi’s travel.

Australia is reviewing our procedures so that this does not happen again". 

 

Australia moved as fast as it could and has now abandoned the diplomatic approach to this band of lying robber barons.

 

people so stupid that they will even commit falsehoods on public media..

 

By the way-where is the big Jelly Bean?

 

You know..the one who arrests miserable Cambodian and Burmese workers to the greater glory of Thailand?

I do feel for the poor fella but I would of thought he knew or should of checked wether he might be on the Interpol red notice list before he started leaving Australia.hes now found out you can't just fly around the world waving the refugee card like your untouchable like some diplomat.he's actually created this problem for himself.

Jamie Vardy, Didier Drogba and Gary Lineker back campaign to release imprisoned Hakeem al-Araibi

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-6687249/Vardy-Drogba-Lineker-campaign-release-imprisoned-footballer-Al-Araibi.html

14 hours ago, emptypockets said:

In the bigger picture it's probably irrelevant who issued the red notice. Thailand complied with protocols.

Everybody would be applauding if he was a pedophile and not a footballer and alleged refugee.

???????????? there’s so much wrong with this post, it beggars belief.

 

thailand did not comply with protocols.... and has been shown to have being lying, at the state level

 

the guy isn’t a pedophile, so using it as an analogy is ridiculous grandstanding to attract attention... well done, that worked

 

there is nothing alleged about his refugee status

 

and bigger picture? The bigger picture is that thailand is getting away with trampling on the rights of citizens of another country, without due cause... stuff up aside, this should have been sorted within hours, or perhaps days, but not weeks and months.

 

crikey..... I can’t understand how any expat would applaud the unjust detention of a foreign citizen.... it could be you next, for no other reason than your a foreigner and constable somchai doesn’t understand the law.... no wonder Jesus is said to have wept so much.

 

32 minutes ago, ChipButty said:

Jamie Vardy, Didier Drogba and Gary Lineker back campaign to release imprisoned Hakeem al-Araibi

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-6687249/Vardy-Drogba-Lineker-campaign-release-imprisoned-footballer-Al-Araibi.html

I think Vardy would have to be careful what he says given the fact Thai's own the football club

1 minute ago, ChipButty said:

I think Vardy would have to be careful what he says given the fact Thai's own the football club

Sure, they could try to make his life harder and he could then easily sue them for discrimination. The owners can only get away with stuff like that in Thailand. 

meanwhile the circling talons of the beheaders, circle...waiting...

 

Just yesterday, a very prominent Thai lady wished for Thailand to become a respected member of the international community. That's commendable, and as this cringe worthy case shows once again, Thailand has A LOT of work to do to accomplish that.

New hashtag needed?

Edited February 10, 20197 yr by james.d

9 hours ago, Dexlowe said:

Meanwhile, why haven't we heard from Mrs al-Araibi? 

We have - she's been quoted in a number of articles, appealing for his release. Here's just one report:

 

Hakeem al-Araibi's wife appeals for his release

 

1 hour ago, khunJeroen said:

I find it naive he did not consider this when travelling.

He did consider it - he asked the Australian Immigration authorities several times if it was OK for him to travel abroad, and he was given repeated assurances that it was safe for him to travel anywhere in the world (except Bahrain) on his Australian-issued refugee documents.

15 hours ago, emptypockets said:

In the bigger picture it's probably irrelevant who issued the red notice. Thailand complied with protocols.

Everybody would be applauding if he was a pedophile and not a footballer and alleged refugee.

Thailand didn't comply with protocol, well maybe they did for a day or two until it was pointed out he had refugee status - - and they certainly aren't complying now. 

11 hours ago, Reigntax said:

The Thai version of event stunk from the start.why would Australian authorities issue a red notice after he was granted refugee status.?

The Thai authorities arent even good liars when it was clear from the start that they had stuffed up. Their excuses weren't plausible, didn't make any sense except to their own uneducated, inabilities to produce a logical sequence of events.

They not tink to mut.....

 

Excellent point regarding why issue a red notice when you have already accepted/approved  refugee status.

Unfortunately not only the Thai authorities missed that point, so did many TVF posters in their collective wisdom trying to air superior knowledge. 

Edited February 10, 20197 yr by Artisi

2 hours ago, happy chappie said:

I do feel for the poor fella but I would of thought he knew or should of checked wether he might be on the Interpol red notice list before he started leaving Australia.hes now found out you can't just fly around the world waving the refugee card like your untouchable like some diplomat.he's actually created this problem for himself.

I don't know the procedures, but given he has official refugee status in Australia is it perhaps part of the 'refugee' picture that he needs to inform the relevant Australian authorities or a specific official tasked with the administration of folks with refugee status and specifically the footballer? And/or get their approval to travel abroad and return? And for the official person to inform him of any dangers of travelling outside Australia, etc?

 

Further, when he checked-in at the airport in Melbourne, is there any requirement for the Immigration / Passport officer to quickly see his status and take a different approach, including to ensure that his leaving (given his status) is allowed and/or has to handled using a different procedure, etc?

 

Would be interesting to have some insight into this aspect. 

 

 

Edited February 10, 20197 yr by scorecard

2 hours ago, scorecard said:

Well perhaps he did seek advice whether there was any danger in travelling / travelling to Thailand?

 

I he didn't that was probably unwise, but it's not a reason to allow Bahrain to get their dirty hands on him. 

He did and was told "No worries" [in rather more official language of course, but the basic message was the same].

Bahrain Saudi Arabia same kind of judicial system clear like rock water like molasse.

1 hour ago, farcanell said:

???????????? there’s so much wrong with this post, it beggars belief.

 

thailand did not comply with protocols.... and has been shown to have being lying, at the state level

 

the guy isn’t a pedophile, so using it as an analogy is ridiculous grandstanding to attract attention... well done, that worked

 

there is nothing alleged about his refugee status

 

and bigger picture? The bigger picture is that thailand is getting away with trampling on the rights of citizens of another country, without due cause... stuff up aside, this should have been sorted within hours, or perhaps days, but not weeks and months.

 

crikey..... I can’t understand how any expat would applaud the unjust detention of a foreign citizen.... it could be you next, for no other reason than your a foreigner and constable somchai doesn’t understand the law.... no wonder Jesus is said to have wept so much.

 

That citizen that you are talking about is actually a Bahraini citizen traveling on a Bahraini passport and that is part of the big problem because he has not qualified for Australian citizenship yet. Any traveler must have a passport from their birth country until they qualify for citizenship of another country. Refugees are not given citizenship to the country that gives them refugee status until they have qualified the same as any other person. He should have waited until he had citizenship and then he would travel on an Australian passport and not on the refugee papers that he claims that he had. In one of the first threads on this he claimed that he went to the Thai Consulate in Melbourne to find out if it was safe to travel here.

Edited February 10, 20197 yr by Russell17au

29 minutes ago, Russell17au said:

That citizen that you are talking about is actually a Bahraini citizen traveling on a Bahraini passport and that is part of the big problem because he has not qualified for Australian citizenship yet. Any traveler must have a passport from their birth country until they qualify for citizenship of another country. Refugees are not given citizenship to the country that gives them refugee status until they have qualified the same as any other person. He should have waited until he had citizenship and then he would travel on an Australian passport and not on the refugee papers that he claims that he had. In one of the first threads on this he claimed that he went to the Thai Consulate in Melbourne to find out if it was safe to travel here.

That refugee I am talking about, was granted refugee status in 2017, and as such is entitled to freely travel wherever he wants, excepting Bahrain, with correct documentation (ie... refugee status documentation from Australia, which he had) ... and supposedly with an assurance of protection.

 

neither Australia, nor any other country that respects human rights, should let this stand, as it erodes those human rights.

 

The “citizen” I reference, (note I first use “citizen” after switching to the comment “bigger picture) is any and all of us.... we are all both citizens and individuals, and an unjust arrest of any citizen or individual, is a threat to every citizen or individual.

 

But... right now, old mate, regardless of al araibi current passport, thailand is trampling all over our countries international standing and reputation, denying it the ability to fulfill its obligation as agreed by granting al araibi refugee status, which includes our countries protection.

 

thailand is giving Australia the middle finger, whilst perhaps pandering to Bahrain, who’s royals have a close relationship to Thailand’s royals, and who’s government is investing large sums in thailand.

 

given what is known.... this is shameful on Thailand’s part... including the PMs, who can over rule this whole situation, and send al araibi home to Australia, where he is a permanent resident.

 

australias take on this should be akin to the US take on Khashoggi.

Ahh well mistakes happen

6 hours ago, scorecard said:

Well perhaps he did seek advice whether there was any danger in travelling / travelling to Thailand?

 

I he didn't that was probably unwise, but it's not a reason to allow Bahrain to get their dirty hands on him. 

He was cleared by the Aust. authorities prior to his travel, and that travel to Thailand would present no issues.

20 hours ago, Artisi said:

from the experience gained in this little screw up, maybe they can now proceed with red notice for Red Bull absconder

aha, unless this Red Bull absconder has learnt to kick a football around as a part-time job, and has converted to Islam. Which as we see would make him untouchable and able to flaunt any and all laws of all countries as he chooses otherwise the internet will erupt in tears.

 

 Isn't it amazing nobody cares about the poor Bahraini police officers who were brutally attacked in their station by a large mob throwing molotov cocktails. Did the police officers have young families dependent on Daddy bringing home the monthly wage and food on the table? How did the families feel watching the news that evening? Were the officers feeling anxiety as the mob launched their attack? Were they terrified? 

 

 This whole issue is so one sided. The Thai IDC is full of families and even young children. Children that definitely did not launch a violent assault on a police station.

20 hours ago, Prissana Pescud said:

Finally and belatedly, the truth is now out. For 10 weeks, illegally shackled and locked up by Thailand.

Time to let him get back to Australia

What has Thailand done wrong exactly, except for an error regarding which country requested the red notice to be issued?  He was arrested on the basis of a red notice!

20 hours ago, seajae said:

looks like Thailand has been caught out blatantly lying to cover up their stuff up, red notices cannot be issued against protected refugees so they used Australia as a scapegoat for their problem. Have to wonder who is getting benefits by doing this for bahrain and now that the truth is out if Thailand will rescind the arrest as it should never have happened, makes them out to be pretty pathetic and obviously doing bahrains dirty work knowingly against the international requirements

 

What you're ignoring is that a red notice was issued by Interpol, nothing to do with Thailand, and Thailand was acting on accordance with that notice!

19 hours ago, sammieuk1 said:

Sounds like a red bull in a china shop approach arrest everything first facts later if they haven't payed????

Facts:

Interpol issued a red notice.

Thailand acted on it while it was in force, reasonably.  

19 hours ago, sweatalot said:

yes they are so innocent and so humane 

and why do they hold him in shackels?

why did they not let him free with a big excuse and a compensation after the red notice was withdrawn?

Why? Because the legal procedure had been started before the notice was withdrawn.  Why should Thailand pay him compensation for following the law?