Three UK ministers throw weight behind Brexit delay to stop no-deal

[SheungWan]

42 minutes ago, evadgib said:

Maggie would have had them tarred and feathered!

Sadly there's no one in the house that comes close these days. Davis is probably the best of the Brexit candidates for PM but they're all way short when it comes to strength of character. In her day we took it for granted.

Old Brexiteers losing it.

[SheungWan]

8 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Who said it and especially when was it said?

Is it not proving to be easy because it's Remainers doing the 'deal' and they are not even negotiating a trade deal. They are still trying to shroud a Brexit-in-name-only capitulation.

Hello! Its our old friend Enemies Of The People come to visit!

[SheungWan]

2 hours ago, steve187 said:

so who would be the right person to carry out the wishes of the people

For some Brexiteers its probably someone dead.

[Loiner]

1 hour ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

That referendum didn’t say “leave without a deal”. So when three MPs campaign for leaving with a deal, they are, very obviously, not “overturning” any referendum result, as someone here claimed. 

 

No there wasn’t. The ballot paper can be seen online. Your lies get worse each day. Pathetic. 

 

Then you should have held a referendum against a deal, but you only held one for ending EU. membership. Too bad your leaders told everyone exactly the opposite, knowing that people would never vote  to leave if there wasn’t a deal. 

The ballot did not include anything about, or even the word deal. Therefore it was a 'No Deal' referendum. Simple - go look again.

Are you referring to the referendum of 2016, or a second for No Deal. The 17.4 million who voted Leave did so whether there would someday later be a deal or not. We are only morons aren't we, not actually looking that far ahead??

 

How do you get lies out of that? You have a warped and twisted logic going on there. Which part of space does it come from?

[SheungWan]

3 hours ago, vogie said:

There was a referendum for leave or remain, I believe a "no deal brexit" falls under the category of leave.

Yes it does. But no exclusivity other than in Hard Brexiteer ravings.

[dick dasterdly]

7 minutes ago, stevenl said:

And all time since none of the brexiteers has been able to come up with a plan. All they have done is stand at the sidelines and criticise the only one who was trying to get an acceptable deal. Nothing, absolutely nothing positive, has come from Boris Johnson, Nigel Farange et al.

And precisely which (genuine) brexiteers are in a position to do so?

[SheungWan]

Just now, Loiner said:

The ballot did not include anything about, or even the word deal. Therefore it was a 'No Deal' referendum. Simple - go look again.

Are you referring to the referendum of 2016, or a second for No Deal. The 17.4 million who voted Leave did so whether there would someday later be a deal or not. We are only morons aren't we, not actually looking that far ahead??

How do you get lies out of that? You have a warped and twisted logic going on there. Which part of space does it come from?

Brexiteer nonsense about no detail = no deal. Coming from an Empty Space near you.

[Loiner]

6 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

Hello! Its our old friend Enemies Of The People come to visit!

So who said it and especially when?

[Loiner]

Just now, SheungWan said:

Brexiteer nonsense about no detail = no deal. Coming from an Empty Space near you.

So you tell me where the ballot said we voted for a deal?

[vogie]

1 minute ago, SheungWan said:

Yes it does. But no exclusivity other than in Hard Brexiteer ravings.

Thanks for concurring, would you mind telling that to some of your remainer doubters.

[SheungWan]

1 minute ago, Loiner said:

So you tell me where the ballot said we voted for a deal?

The ballot said nothing about the terms. 

[SheungWan]

2 minutes ago, vogie said:

Thanks for concurring, would you mind telling that to some of your remainer doubters.

I'll get them all together after Church.

[vogie]

Just now, SheungWan said:

The ballot said nothing about the terms. 

By George, I think he's got it.

[Loiner]

10 minutes ago, stevenl said:

And all time since none of the brexiteers has been able to come up with a plan. All they have done is stand at the sidelines and criticise the only one who was trying to get an acceptable deal. Nothing, absolutely nothing positive, has come from Boris Johnson, Nigel Farange et al.

The question is why the negotiations were taken over by Remainer in chief Theresa the appeaser, with no brexiteer allowed near?

Do you think it's because we voted for the 'wrong' answer to Leave? A brexiteer could come back with the 'wrong' deal to the UK's benefit? 

[SheungWan]

Just now, vogie said:

By George, I think he's got it.

The terms for exit are all up for play. In Parliament.

[SheungWan]

Just now, Loiner said:

The question is why the negotiations were taken over by Remainer in chief Theresa the appeaser, with no brexiteer allowed near?

Do you think it's because we voted for the 'wrong' answer to Leave? A brexiteer could come back with the 'wrong' deal to the UK's benefit? 

Irrelevant. Parliament and the Government can mess up or not, according to one's judgment call, the terms of exit as it sees fit. The Hard Brexiteer judgment call does not provide the terms of reference.

[Loiner]

3 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

The ballot said nothing about the terms. 

Yes, it was simply Leave.

You think there was something about a deal in there. Was that the Empty Space you mention? Come on fill it up with what your x-ray vision sees.

[stevenl]

9 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

And precisely which (genuine) brexiteers are in a position to do so?

Many have had the opportunity, none choose to do so.

They all left the poison pill with May.

[SheungWan]

9 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Yes, it was simply Leave.

You think there was something about a deal in there. Was that the Empty Space you mention? Come on fill it up with what your x-ray vision sees.

First sentence correct. The rest nonsense. Keep repeating that "No Detail = Only No Deal" and the men in white coats will eventually pitch up.

[vogie]

7 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

The terms for exit are all up for play. In Parliament.

And they are playing the old childrens game of kick the can.

 

 

 

 

[welovesundaysatspace]

20 minutes ago, Loiner said:

The ballot did not include anything about, or even the word deal. Therefore it was a 'No Deal' referendum.

The referendum asked you only whether to end EU membership or not. I did not ask you what should (or should not) happen after that. If you don’t remember that, check the ballot paper again. If you don’t like it, campaign for a referendum for not having a deal with the EU. Same as those MPs are now campaigning for having a deal. 

 

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The 17.4 million who voted Leave did so whether there would someday later be a deal or not.

So you yourself are admitting here that the 17.4 million never voted for no-deal, just for ending EU membership. Any type of future relationship with the EU, whether it is no deal at all, May’s deal, Corbyn’s proposal, or whatever, does deliver to the manipulated opinion poll of 2016, as long as EU membership is being ended. And that is up to parliament to decide (same as the whole thing actually, as the referendum is not binding). 

 

 

 

[SheungWan]

1 minute ago, vogie said:

And they are playing the old childrens game of kick the can.

That would be if they delay past March 30 but that hasn't happened yet.

[Loiner]

2 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

Irrelevant. Parliament and the Government can mess up or not, according to one's judgment call, the terms of exit as it sees fit. The Hard Brexiteer judgment call does not provide the terms of reference.

Very relevant. Another Remainer poster asked why no Brexiteers had a plan but were standing at the sidelines criticising. So why are there no Brexiteers in Team Theresa anymore?
The terms of reference are to Leave but that's what Parliament and the Government are fighting against, while claiming they respect the people's decision. ie Cheating.

[Loiner]

7 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

First sentence correct. The rest nonsense. Keep repeating that "No Detail = No Deal" and the men in white coats will eventually arrive.

Tell me where the Empty Space on the ballot, or between the lines, or simply in your imagination, it said 'Leave, with some sort of deal that we don't really think we will have to make."

[SheungWan]

1 minute ago, Loiner said:

Very relevant. Another Remainer poster asked why no Brexiteers had a plan but were standing at the sidelines criticising. So why are there no Brexiteers in Team Theresa anymore?
The terms of reference are to Leave but that's what Parliament and the Government are fighting against, while claiming they respect the people's decision. ie Cheating.

The responsibility for managing the terms of Brexit are with Parliament and the Government of the day, not with the Hard Brexiteer loons screaming on the sidelines and waving Enemies Of The People Placards.

[SheungWan]

2 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Tell me where the Empty Space on the ballot, or between the lines, or simply in your imagination, it said 'Leave, with some sort of deal that we don't really think we will have to make."

The ballot said nothing. Any resultant deal or no deal defaults to Parliament. Shouldn't need a GCSE in logical thinking to work that out. Anyway, the decision-making lies with Parliament. Like it or lump it.

[Loiner]

6 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

The referendum asked you only whether to end EU membership or not. I did not ask you what should (or should not) happen after that. If you don’t remember that, check the ballot paper again. If you don’t like it, campaign for a referendum for not having a deal with the EU. Same as those MPs are now campaigning for having a deal. 

 

So you yourself are admitting here that the 17.4 million never voted for no-deal, just for ending EU membership. Any type of future relationship with the EU, whether it is no deal at all, May’s deal, Corbyn’s proposal, or whatever, does deliver to the manipulated opinion poll of 2016, as long as EU membership is being ended.

Checked - still doesn't say deal anywhere.

No need for another referendum - wasn't that your suggestion?

Yes - 17.4 million for ending EU membership. Any subsequent deal can go through parliament. Out full first.
 

Did you actually see the ballot paper? Were you party to all the Remain propaganda at the time that didn't mention lack of a deal? Were you actually allowed a vote in the matter? Have you joined the subsequent debate only recently?

[evadgib]

37 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

Old Brexiteers losing it.

Losing wot?

[Loiner]

6 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

The responsibility for managing the terms of Brexit are with Parliament and the Government of the day, not with the Hard Brexiteer loons screaming on the sidelines and waving Enemies Of The People Placards.

The Remainer question was why no Brexiteers had a plan but were criticising from the sidelines? I've just given a couple of possible reasons but you appear to have answered the question yourself. You wouldn't like the deal a brexiteer could make. I guess that's the Remainer parliament position too.

[Loiner]

8 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

The ballot said nothing. Any resultant deal or no deal defaults to Parliament. Shouldn't need a GCSE in logical thinking to work that out. Anyway, the decision-making lies with Parliament. Like it or lump it.

Did you get a GCSE in logical thinking? Is that actually 'a thing' and how did you manage that???
Not liking it and trying to lump the traitorous MPs too. 

BTY - really love the "...decision-making lies with Parliament...". Sound like a children's book about the parliamentary duplicity process.