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Summit collapse clouds future of U.S.-North Korea nuclear diplomacy

By Jeff Mason and Hyonhee Shin

 

North Korea's leader Kim Jong Un and U.S. President Donald Trump meet during the second U.S.-North Korea summit in Hanoi, Vietnam, in this photo released on February 28, 2019 by North Korea's Korean Central News Agency (KCNA). KCNA via REUTERS

 

HANOI (Reuters) - A second summit between U.S. President Donald Trump and North Korea leader Kim Jong Un collapsed on Thursday over sanctions, and the two sides gave conflicting accounts of exactly what happened, raising questions about the future of their denuclearisation talks.

 

Trump said two days of talks in the Vietnamese capital Hanoi had made good progress in building relations and on the main issue of denuclearisation, but it was important not to rush into a bad deal. He said he had walked away because of unacceptable North Korean demands.

 

"It was all about the sanctions," Trump told a news conference after the talks were cut short. "Basically, they wanted the sanctions lifted in their entirety, and we couldn't do that."

 

However, North Korean Foreign Minister Ri Yong Ho told a news conference past midnight and hours after Trump left Hanoi that North Korea had sought only a partial lifting of sanctions "related to people's livelihoods and unrelated to military sanctions".

 

He said it had offered a realistic proposal involving the dismantling of all of its main nuclear site at Yongbyon, including plutonium and uranium facilities, by engineers from both countries.

 

U.S. President Donald Trump pumps his fist at members of the U.S. military as he arrives to address them after his summit meeting with North Korea's Kim Jong Un in Vietnam during a refueling stop at Elmendorf Air Force Base in Anchorage, Alaska, U.S., February 28, 2019. REUTERS/Leah Millis

 

"This is the biggest denuclearisation step we can take based on the current level of trust between the two countries," Ri said in a rare exchange between North Korean officials and reporters.

 

"It’s hard to say there will be something better than what we offered. We may not have such an opportunity again. We need such a first step on the road to complete denuclearisation. Our fundamental stance will never change and even if U.S. seeks further talks, our position won’t change," Ri said.

 

North Korean Vice Foreign Minister Choe Son Hui told the same briefing she had the impression that Kim "might lose his willingness to pursue a deal" after the U.S. side rejected a partial lifting of sanctions in return for destruction of Yongbyon, "something we had never offered before".

 

White House spokeswoman Sarah Sanders, asked about North Korea's statements, said the president was aware of the comments and the White House had nothing to add to what Trump said at the Hanoi news conference.

 

Trump spoke to the leaders of South Korea and Japan on his way back from Hanoi and told them that the United States would continue to work with them and talk to North Korea, Sanders said.

 

The United Nations and the United States ratcheted up sanctions on North Korea when the reclusive state conducted repeated nuclear and ballistic missile tests in 2017, cutting off its main sources of hard cash.

 

Trump and Kim cut short their talks, skipping a planned working lunch at the French-colonial-era Metropole hotel after a morning of meetings.

"Sometimes you have to walk, and this was just one of those times," Trump said, adding "it was a friendly walk".

 

At the same briefing, Trump warned he could also walk away from a trade deal with China if it were not good enough, even as his economic advisors touted "fantastic" progress towards an agreement to end trade disputes.

 

Failure to reach an agreement on North Korea marks a setback for Trump, a self-styled dealmaker under pressure at home over his ties to Russia and testimony from Michael Cohen, his former personal lawyer who accused him of breaking the law while in office.

 

The collapse of the talks raised questions about the Trump administration's preparations and about what some critics see as his cavalier style of personal diplomacy.

 

Since their first summit in Singapore in June, Trump has stressed his good chemistry with Kim, but there have been doubts about whether the bonhomie could move them beyond summit pageantry to substantive progress on eliminating a North Korean nuclear arsenal that threatens the United States.

 

Things had appeared more promising when the leaders met on Wednesday, predicting successful talks before a social dinner with top aides.

 

The White House had been confident enough to schedule a "joint agreement signing ceremony" at the conclusion of talks. Like the lunch, the ceremony did not take the place.

 

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"No deal is a surprise, especially as they were both all smiley last evening," said Lim Soo-ho, senior research fellow at the Institute for National Security Strategy.

 

"But no-deal today doesn't mean there won't be one in coming months. It means stakes were way too high for the two leaders to give another wishy-washy statement like they did in Singapore."

 

Daniel Russel, the State Department’s former top diplomat for East Asia until early in the Trump administration, said the failure showed Trump had rushed into the summit.

 

“The Hanoi Summit validates Benjamin Franklin’s axiom that “by failing to prepare, you are preparing to fail,” he said. "The hard diplomatic work of narrowing differences and exploring options had simply not been done, so it is not surprising that the two leaders encountered insurmountable differences."

 

The Singapore summit, the first between a sitting U.S. president and a North Korean leader, produced a vague statement in which Kim pledged to work toward denuclearisation of the Korean peninsula.

 

But little progress followed.

 

North Korea's old rival South Korea, which backs efforts to end confrontation on the peninsula, said it regretted that no deal had been reached but the two sides had made progress.

 

News of the summit failure sent South Korea's currency lower and knocked regional stock markets. South Korea's Kospi index closed 1.8 percent lower, marking the biggest one-day percentage loss since Oct 2018.

 

Senior Chinese diplomat Wang Yi said difficulties in the talks were unavoidable but the two sides should press on and China would play a constructive role.

 

Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe said he backed Trump's decision and wanted a meeting with Kim.

 

There was no indication of when Trump and Kim, or their negotiators, might meet again.

 

U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said they could hold further meetings, but there was no plan to do so immediately.

 

Kicking off their second day of talks in Hanoi, Trump said he would be happy as long as North Korea conducted no more nuclear or intercontinental ballistic missile tests.

 

North Korea has conducted no tests since late 2017, and Trump said Kim had promised him there would be no resumption.

 

Besides Yongbyon, Trump said there were other facilities he wanted included in a deal - and the North Koreans had been surprised the Americans knew about them - but they had baulked.

 

U.S. intelligence officials have said there is no sign North Korea would ever give up its entire arsenal of nuclear weapons, which Kim's ruling family sees as vital to its survival.

 

Russel said Kim might have thought he could drive a hard bargain, given Trump's domestic troubles.

 

"Kim Jong Un is not testing ballistic missiles and nuclear bombs at the moment, but he is testing Donald Trump. Kim may have wanted to see if Trump’s domestic legal and political woes made him desperate enough to take any deal he could get."

 

(For live coverage of the summit, click: https://www.reuters.com/live/north-korea)

 

(GRAPHIC: Vietnam holds Trump-Kim summit - https://tmsnrt.rs/2VkEAP4)

 

(Reporting by Soyoung Kim, Jeff Mason and Hyonhee Shin; Additional reporting by Joyce Lee, Jeongmin Kim, Jack Kim, James Pearson, Mai Nyugen, Ju-min Park, Khanh Vu in HANOI, Ben Blanchard in BEIJING, David Brunnstrom and Matt Spetalnick in WASHINGTON; Editing by Robert Birsel, Lincoln Feast and Grant McCool)

 

 -- © Copyright Reuters 2019-03-01

 

[nobodysfriend]

Two people meet who are both famous for not keeping what they promised ... what outcome other than this one could have been expected ?

Anyway Trump is not known for respecting his ' deals ' anyway ...

Just hot air ... and a waste of taxpayer's money ...

[Chomper Higgot]

Trump played like the fool

he is.

[worgeordie]

So Trump will be back to calling Kim  Little fat rocket man, again.

regards worgeordie

[neeray]

Is any body surprised?

Barring the hard core Trump supporters who see him, complete with all his troubles and idiosyncratic faults, through rose tinted glasses, I don't think too many people expected anything much to come from this second meeting.

 

Trump has met his match, twice now in a month. Outsmarted by a match on home turf and outsmarted in Asia. And in both cases, "the-art-of-the-deal-man" lost.

 

The OP report contains many fine and telling phrases but I think this one speaks volumes.

"The collapse of the talks raised questions about the Trump administration's preparations and about what some critics see as his cavalier style of personal diplomacy."

 

"Cavalier style of personal diplomacy .... ". This bares repeating.

 

 

 

[Srikcir]

5 hours ago, webfact said:

He said he had walked away because of unacceptable North Korean demands.

I don't believe that was Trump's preference but more by Trump being convinced by Steve Biegun, the State Department's Special Representative to North Korea and US National Security Advisor John Bolton.

Secretary of State Pompeo on the other hand would have agreed with any concession made by Trump.

So I cautiously (this is a one-time offering) say "Thank you" to Bolton and Biegun for not letting Trump make a decision to please his own ego but rather for the good of all the US people.

[sweatalot]

4 hours ago, webfact said:

"Sometimes you have to walk, and this was just one of those times

In this case I agree with Trump. It did not look promising anyway, considering the close to none steps Kim really did after the last talks and considering the history of North Korean politics

[Tug]

2 minutes ago, Srikcir said:

I don't believe that was Trump's preference but more by Trump being convinced by Steve Biegun, the State Department's Special Representative to North Korea and US National Security Advisor John Bolton.

Secretary of State Pompeo on the other hand would have agreed with any concession made by Trump.

So I cautiously (this is a one-time offering) say "Thank you" to Bolton and Biegun for not letting Trump make a decision to please his own ego but rather for the good of all the US people.

I to was pleasantly surprised Donald dident trade it for a cheep fake win for his base 

[Sealbash]

Is any body surprised?

Barring the hard core Trump supporters who see him, complete with all his troubles and idiosyncratic faults, through rose tinted glasses, I don't think too many people expected anything much to come from this second meeting.

 

Trump has met his match, twice now in a month. Outsmarted by a match on home turf and outsmarted in Asia. And in both cases, "the-art-of-the-deal-man" lost.

 

The OP report contains many fine and telling phrases but I think this one speaks volumes.

"The collapse of the talks raised questions about the Trump administration's preparations and about what some critics see as his cavalier style of personal diplomacy."

 

"Cavalier style of personal diplomacy .... ". This bares repeating.

 

 

 

As does “What some critics see”


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[TallGuyJohninBKK]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Trump played like the fool

he is.

 

In a perverse kind of way, I look at the latest outcome as kind of a win for the U.S. -- despite Trump.

 

My fear going into the summit was that he, desperate for another personal and political "win," WAS going to give away the house (agree to lift sanctions and such) exchange for perhaps the North agreeing to dismantle ONE facility (while leaving untouched all the others perhaps the North didn't think the U.S. knew/knows about).

 

At least, contrary to my worst fears, Trump didn't give Kim a free get out of jail card this time in exchange for some illusory, vague or non-specific agreement like came out of the first summit. That would have been typical Trump like he came back crowing after the first summit -- even though most thinking people saw thru the smoke and mirrors to understand the first summit agreement produced very little.

 

Now the 2nd summit has produced even less. All hail the great Nobel Peace prize candidate!!!

 

Edited March 1, 2019 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[mike324]

Kims only survival is his nuclear arms, that his bargaining chip with the world. As soon as he gives it up, his generals can easily over throw him seeing him as weak. Kim is trying to get sanctions lift so they get an economic boost before resuming the cat and mouse game and threats.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

4 minutes ago, mike324 said:

Kims only survival is his nuclear arms, that his bargaining chip with the world. As soon as he gives it up, his generals can easily over throw him seeing him as weak. Kim is trying to get sanctions lift so they get an economic boost before resuming the cat and mouse game and threats.

 

I think he could survive without them, if he reached a security agreement with the US, Japan, SK, etc and was able without sanctions to grow his country's economy and improve the wellbeing of its people.  But as you suggest, he's probably more interested in his own personal future than he is in the welfare of his countrymen and women,

 

But, I agree with your underlying point -- I don't think KIM himself ever has had any intention of eliminating his nuclear weapons program. His only intention, I believe, has been to play or pretend at doing so just enough to try to get sanctions lifted or perhaps enough to get bad actor states like China and Russia to increase their flouting of the sanctions.

[Berkshire]

39 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

In a perverse kind of way, I look at the latest outcome as kind of a win for the U.S. -- despite Trump.

 

My fear going into the summit was that he, desperate for another personal and political "win," WAS going to give away the house (agree to lift sanctions and such) exchange for perhaps the North agreeing to dismantle ONE facility (while leaving untouched all the others perhaps the North didn't think the U.S. knew/knows about).

 

At least, contrary to my worst fears, Trump didn't give Kim a free get out of jail card this time in exchange for some illusory, vague or non-specific agreement like came out of the first summit. That would have been typical Trump like he came back crowing after the first summit -- even though most thinking people saw thru the smoke and mirrors to understand the first summit agreement produced very little.

 

Now the 2nd summit has produced even less. All hail the great Nobel Peace prize candidate!!!

 

There was a collective sigh of relief from all concerned with the consensus being..."it could have been much worse."

 

It's pretty sad when our President goes into a negotiation with a foreign leader and all we can realistically hope for is...."please don't screw this up too bad." 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

 

Kim: I'm laughing, Oh Great President Trump, because I'll be ruling North Korea long after you're gone as U.S. President, and I'll still have my nuclear weapons aimed at you, and there's nothing you're going to be able to do about it!

 

Trump: After lunch and we're done with all this nukes stuff, any chance we can talk about building a Trump Plaza hotel or some beachfront condos, maybe even a golf course?  Have I got a deal for you!!

Edited March 1, 2019 by TallGuyJohninBKK