Big Joke: E-cigarettes are bad for you and they are illegal

[ttrd]

 

Since you do not base your statements on facts its you who provide nonsense ...

 

What considerable scientific evidence are you referring to? The majority of the vapers are previous cigarette smokers and for that reason we can not ascertain Nada ....

 

The vaping history is to short and only small groups over a limited period of time has been tested in combination with different surveys and that is far from enough to ascertain anything but a tiny assumption - yet ...

 

That's a fact whether you like it or not ...

 

https://www.sciencenewsforstudents.org/article/concerns-explode-over-new-health-risks-vaping

Edited March 5, 2019 by ttrd

[55Jay]

12 hours ago, ThomasThBKK said:

https://reason.com/blog/2019/03/04/new-study-finds-almost-half-of-juul-star/amp?__twitter_impression=true

 

I guess vaping really helps, no wonder thai tobacco doesn't want it. They want ro continue selling cancersticks instead. 

It really is that simple and transparent.  Reminds me of the combustion engine car manufacturers grassing up electric vehicles as being unsafe, unreliable, inefficient....... and then wind up producing one themselves.  Then it's ok.  ????

[MBFC1960]

On 3/4/2019 at 8:43 AM, SammyT said:

So are normal smokes, so why are they still legal?

 

Because they get 50% Tax even if they are more bad than e-cigarettes

[bananafish]

22 hours ago, KKr said:

that is good news.
which independent and unbiased study supports that conclusion ?
so I can share that knowledge in the obituary of two friends of mine who passed away recently after smoking (i.e. nicotine addiction) induced cancer.

(at least that is what the doctors in the two teams who had specialised in cancer of the throat, lungs and brain, said.)

Not one of those Doctors or specialists will say that nicotine causes cancer, because it is a medically accepted fact that it does not. 

Which independent and unbiased study am I getting that from? Just about 100% of studies that have ever been done on nicotine and cancer. 

 

As a matter of fact nicotine actually helps the brain function better, it has accepted positive properties. Though it can affect the heart negatively, but again no more than caffeine can. And of course it's obviously addictive. 

 

But in and of itself, nicotine is not particularly harmful at all. 

 

The other main ingredient in vape juice is propylene glycol, which also happens to be the main ingredient in many asthma inhalers. So, we can take as a given that it is not too harmful to the lungs. 

 

Nicotine is the main ingredient that causes addiction in cigarettes (though not the only one), but it is not what causes cancer, or the lung/throat congestion. 

[amdy2206]

Most things in life are bad for you in some way. I would not call the current government good for me! Life is a risk. Everything you do is a risk. People have to be able to make their own decisions as to what they do, or don't do. The only line should be about how it affects others. I thought the UK was a nanny state but Thailand beats it hands down. LET PEOPLE MAKE THEIR OWN DECISIONS.

[dave moir]

On 3/4/2019 at 9:04 AM, a977 said:

The vaping fluid is imported into the country so it comes under immigration

Forgive the ignorance as I'm not a smoker but he's on about E cigarettes yes? I thought Vaping was something different to an E cigarette?! But they mention vapour liquid.

[dave moir]

I'm honestly surprised anyone wants to come to Thailand any more the way these lot go on!!!! They're certainly not tourist friendly!???? certainly not the land of smiles it used to be!

[BritManToo]

6 minutes ago, dave moir said:

Forgive the ignorance as I'm not a smoker but he's on about E cigarettes yes? I thought Vaping was something different to an E cigarette?! But they mention vapour liquid.

Vapes can use, dried herbs, liquid, or wax (tablets?)

Some can use all three, some can use one, or two.

[ttrd]

9 minutes ago, dave moir said:

I'm honestly surprised anyone wants to come to Thailand any more the way these lot go on!!!! They're certainly not tourist friendly!???? certainly not the land of smiles it used to be!

For those who feel that rules and regulations take away the smile should travel to Cambodia or Philippines were total lawlessness will give you a rather strained smile ... 

[balo]

On 3/4/2019 at 8:43 AM, SammyT said:

So are normal smokes, so why are they still legal?

Good question, but don't worry,  Big Joke is already working on a cunning plan, to stop all smokers from entering Thailand. 

 

 

[BestB]

5 minutes ago, balo said:

Good question, but don't worry,  Big Joke is already working on a cunning plan, to stop all smokers from entering Thailand. 

 

 

You wrong, his plan to let smokers in , then arrest them, fine them and deport them.

 

Makes for much better headlines, not to mention fills up the bank.????

[A1Str8]

Anyway i dont get it why people switch to e cig from real ones. lolz.
I used to smoke years ago. For years. I decided to quit one day. So i did. On the spot. Never smoked again. You people need some training in the mental department.

[Bangkok Barry]

On 3/4/2019 at 9:10 AM, BobbyL said:

I am pretty sure there has been no law passed to say having an e - cig is illegal.

Whether something is illegal or not has absolutely no relevance in Thailand.

[mommysboy]

11 hours ago, A1Str8 said:

Anyway i dont get it why people switch to e cig from real ones. lolz.
I used to smoke years ago. For years. I decided to quit one day. So i did. On the spot. Never smoked again. You people need some training in the mental department.

I guess it's the best of both worlds- getting the nicotine hit and lovely feeling of smoking, but without the health dangers.

 

You really wanted to quit nicotine end of.  Others don't and have found a great alternative.

 

You got what you want, they got what they want.  

 

I suspect live and let live is probably an alien concept!

[Oziex1]

On 3/4/2019 at 9:45 AM, BestB said:

Would be good if he also provided some medical study to back his assertion it was bad for you.

 

But got to love the irony , after the fiasco he raids a few dozen shops to prove the point .

 

what is more ironic is that he is the boss of immigration and last time I checked immigration had nothing to do with raiding shops for illegal products 

 

one might start to think BJ is the boss of all police as he is involved in all sectors of it from immigration to road blocks 

Or one might also think he is the goffer of the Junta's number two, Who's instructions are, for BJ to get out there and protect the tobacco monopoly.

[lust]

It’s nice to see how much he cares about our health. 

[metisdead]

Some off topic posts and the replies have been removed. 

[Virt]

Hopefully they allow those e-cigs again after they find a proper way to tax the products.

 

We're coming back to Thailand this summer, but my girlfriend who changed to E- cigs several years ago is now "forced" to use ordinary cigarettes which is worse than E cig-s when it comes to health, smell, breath and littering.

I bought some filters to put on the cigarettes to remove some of the worst tar, but that's still not optimal.

 

Why not Introduce some sort of license that e cig users can buy at the border/airport when they arrive in Thailand.

1000 Baht for a month.

Thailand get some of their lost tax money back and maybe most e cig users would gladly pay 1000 baht to use their e cigs instead of having to smoke regular cigarettes.

 I would gladly pay 1000 baht if my girlfriend could use her e-cigs.

 

33 millions people visiting Thailand.

20% of those smoke.

5% of the smokers use e cigs.

That's 330.000 tourists each year using e cigs.

If Thailand would sell a license to those e cig users that would be 330 million bath each year in sold licences.

 

Or is that idea to crazy?

 

[mommysboy]

3 hours ago, Virt said:

Hopefully they allow those e-cigs again after they find a proper way to tax the products.

 

We're coming back to Thailand this summer, but my girlfriend who changed to E- cigs several years ago is now "forced" to use ordinary cigarettes which is worse than E cig-s when it comes to health, smell, breath and littering.

I bought some filters to put on the cigarettes to remove some of the worst tar, but that's still not optimal.

 

Why not Introduce some sort of license that e cig users can buy at the border/airport when they arrive in Thailand.

1000 Baht for a month.

Thailand get some of their lost tax money back and maybe most e cig users would gladly pay 1000 baht to use their e cigs instead of having to smoke regular cigarettes.

 I would gladly pay 1000 baht if my girlfriend could use her e-cigs.

 

33 millions people visiting Thailand.

20% of those smoke.

5% of the smokers use e cigs.

That's 330.000 tourists each year using e cigs.

If Thailand would sell a license to those e cig users that would be 330 million bath each year in sold licences.

 

Or is that idea to crazy?

 

IMO, e-cigarettes will not be legalized any time soon in this country since that would now require a significant loss of face.  Thailand has made it very clear that it regards e-cigarettes a significant health risk, preferring to use its own analysis on the subject to that of countries like the UK, and the EU.

[ttrd]

48 minutes ago, mommysboy said:

IMO, e-cigarettes will not be legalized any time soon in this country since that would now require a significant loss of face.  Thailand has made it very clear that it regards e-cigarettes a significant health risk, preferring to use its own analysis on the subject to that of countries like the UK, and the EU.

Based on the fact that e-cigs is less unhealthy than ordinary cigs, no filters on the beach and less harm to the environment in general - despite those important factors the govern prohibits e-cig and allows regular cigarettes to remain legal. This doesn't make any sense when the base for prohibiting e-cigs is that its unhealthy and reinforces the theory that there are other forces behind that is not served by increased sales of e-cigs ...

 

We see the same trends and patterns in other fields such as with the pollution challenges in all the cities with heavy industry where no enforcement for clean production has been done - With other words its all about increased profit for some and not about increased healthiness for all ...

 

Edited March 6, 2019 by ttrd

[meltingpot2015]

On 3/4/2019 at 8:36 AM, webfact said:

"Tell the people that e-cigarettes are illegal. And smoking them is bad for your health".

Not everything we are told not to do because its bad is actually bad for us.

[meltingpot2015]

14 hours ago, Bangkok Barry said:

Whether something is illegal or not has absolutely no relevance in Thailand.

I saw that the Junta managed to pass the 'Internet martial laws' before the elections. Thailand has well and truly turned in to a cesspit.

[mommysboy]

Probably the big player in all of this is the WHO, which as far as I can see uses an absolute measure of safety, rather than the relative one used with almost any other substance, including cigarettes. 

 

Thailand has taken their lead: thus because E-cigarettes contain known harmful chemicals and there is no long term evidence to say they are safe, it is to be assumed that they are hazardous.

 

Needless to say if this reasoning was applied to nearly all other products and things we use even in the house, then everything would be banned, and no new product could possibly ever reach the market, since there is always the unknown.

[lamyai3]

On 3/6/2019 at 4:46 PM, Oziex1 said:

Or one might also think he is the goffer of the Junta's number two

What the Kremlin used to refer to as a useful idiot. 

[Too young to be old]

On 3/4/2019 at 2:04 AM, a977 said:

The vaping fluid is imported into the country so it comes under immigration

 

Surely it would come under Customs and Excise, unless both are the same department. In most countries Immigrations and Customs are separate departments.

[dallen52]

6 minutes ago, Too young to be old said:

 

Surely it would come under Customs and Excise, unless both are the same department. In most countries Immigrations and Customs are separate departments.

Customs is a separate division. 

They use the harmonised tariff system as many countries do. Around 200.

Incoterms.

HS tax  for vape pens and liquids is 2.6% in some countries. USA etc.

Thailand possibly has a different %

Its easy enough to check it out on line.

[JustAnotherHun]

Well done, Big Joke! Go ahead!

Best wishes, yours,

Philip Morris

Edited March 11, 2019 by JustAnotherHun