Hundreds of thousands march in London to demand new Brexit referendum

[7by7]

6 hours ago, sanemax said:

Although you still havent worked it out and you will have to go and think again , Nigel Ferage , Brexit leader was married to an Irish woman and is now married to a German woman .

   Back to the drawing board 

And he used the FoM directive so his German wife could live and work in the UK.

 

A directive he wants the UK to leave, a directive he has always been opposed to for others.

 

Another example of his hypocrisy.

[simple1]

1 hour ago, sanemax said:

Has your UK pension decreased recently and you blame Brexit for that and thats why you dont like Brexit ?

No. exchange rate been good for me

[PREM-R]

16 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

He has one of the worst attendance records of any MEP; all the while collecting his salary and using the FoM directive, which he was against, to employ his German wife in the UK and claim expenses to cover her salary.

 

When we leave he will receive a nice lump sum compensation payment for losing his job plus a handsome pension when he reaches 63. Paid for not by the EU but by the British taxpayer. He could turn this down, but has stated on numerous occasions that he wont.

 

 

"... a handsome pension when he reaches 63..."  

When I hear the name 'Farage'  I get this picture of a grey haired old man, smoking a Cuban cigar, drinking a fine malt whisky and looking out of his penthouse apartment.......down on to Red Square.  

[7by7]

2 hours ago, sanemax said:

LOL, a "twitter reaction "!!!!!

You are citing a twitter reaction as news !!!!!!!

I shall go and post something on twitter , copy and paste it onto to here to prove what I posted was true !!!!!!!! 

Your mate @evadgib regularly posts social media quotes to support his arguments. Why have you never made the same comment to him?

[vinny41]

52 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 

May's deal means we will:-

Leave the single market

Leave the customs union

Leave the freedom of movement directive (EEA nationals currently living in the UK and British nationals currently living in the other EEA states will retain their current rights.)

Leave the common agricultural policy

Leave the common fisheries policy

Leave the jurisdiction of the ECJ.

 

So you must be a supporter of May's deal as it gives you everything you want.

 

 

 

Yes I am supporter of Leave

[evadgib]

1 hour ago, 7by7 said:

Your mate @evadgib regularly posts social media quotes to support his arguments. Why have you never made the same comment to him?

I'm still waiting for your inaugural 'talking head' 49 ???? 

 

Here's Mark Francois:

 

Edited March 28, 2019 by evadgib

[7by7]

7 hours ago, vinny41 said:

Yes I am supporter of Leave

There is no need to shout; I know what the ballot paper looked like, thank you.

 

Unlike, I suspect, many who post in these topics I actually placed my cross on one in person on  the 23rd of June 2016.

 

But what did you expect to happen after we left? Even Rees-Mogg and other Brexiteer leaders are now admitting that they had no idea!

 

Did you really believe we could lose our largest trading partner, lose all the trade deals with the rest of the world of which we were a part due to our EU membership with no ill effects? That we could get by without some sort of deal; with the EU?

 

As I have said, May's deal gives us all that you have claimed to want:

Leave the single market

Leave the customs union

Leave the freedom of movement directive

Leave the common agricultural policy

Leave the common fisheries policy

Leave the jurisdiction of the ECJ.

 

What more do you want?

 

Edited March 28, 2019 by 7by7

[7by7]

6 hours ago, evadgib said:

I'm still waiting for your inaugural 'talking head' 49 ???? 

You'll be in for a long wait.

 

Unlike you, I prefer to think for myself, judge all the facts, and indeed opinions of others, before forming and then posting my own opinions rather than, as you do, merely repeating those of others.

 

Unlike you I believe members here are capable of reading and understanding posts of more then one sentence and sentences of more than a few monosyllables; well, most of them. 

[JHolmesJr]

You can barely tell who's who in that crowd....could be some bored tourists as well.

[nontabury]

22 hours ago, 7by7 said:

As i have already said, the main reason why we need another vote is because Parliament simply can't, or wont, decide.

 

As Parliament wont decide, let the people do so.

 

 

 

There’s me thinking the people did decide in 2016, in a Democratic vote.

 

 

 

 

[nontabury]

22 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 

The bureaucrats in Brussels can intend all they want, and a European Army has been suggested many times over the last 60 years or so. But it hasn't happened yet, and wont unless the elected heads of the member states agree.

 

But will you explain what is wrong with the idea of such an alliance? We have been similar many times in the past; such as NATO since it's inception, and in the War our armed forces were under a Supreme Commander who was an American.

 

As you claim to be a firm believer in Democracy I would have thought that a majority vote to decide issues and set policy would be more to your liking than the ability of one member to veto. Remember it's not just us who would lose the veto; it's the other 27 as well. So, for example, Poland could no longer veto something which we wanted.

 

At the end of the day, Remain means we keep our options open. If the EU were to become the autocratic dictatorship you fear, then we could always leave.

 

But once we are out, we are out. Even if the EU did agree to allow us back in it would not be under the advantageous terms we have now. No more rebate, have to join Schengen, commit to joining the Euro for starters. Therefore we need to ensure that leaving is the right thing to do before the decision is irreversible.

 

 

I don’t want a veto, I like 17,000,000 + other British people want out.

What the E.U do is up to them. Allthough I do sympathize with the growing numbers in the remaining E.u. Who are also showing in their increasing numbers, a desire to exit. 

Edited March 28, 2019 by nontabury

[SheungWan]

5 hours ago, JHolmesJr said:

You can barely tell who's who in that crowd....could be some bored tourists as well.

The half-hearted Brexiteer explanation.

[SheungWan]

1 hour ago, nontabury said:

I don’t want a veto, I like 17,000,000 + other British people want out.

What the E.U do is up to them. Allthough I do sympathize with the growing numbers in the remaining E.u. Who are also showing in their increasing numbers, a desire to exit. 

The Brexiteer imagination.

[SheungWan]

1 hour ago, nontabury said:

There’s me thinking the people did decide in 2016, in a Democratic vote.

 

I think I feel sorry for some of these guys who have convinced themselves that no-deal is the only deal on the table. Its like listening to a member of a religious cult.

Edited March 28, 2019 by SheungWan

[SheungWan]

13 hours ago, simple1 said:

No. exchange rate been good for me

So then, not in Thailand presumably.

Edited March 28, 2019 by SheungWan

[simple1]

3 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

So then, not in Thailand presumably.

No moved back to Australia for medical reasons

Edited March 28, 2019 by simple1

[SheungWan]

6 minutes ago, simple1 said:

No moved back to Australia for medical reasons

Good luck with that.

[AlexRich]

1 hour ago, SheungWan said:

So then, not in Thailand presumably.

He's in Turkey or Argentina.

[malagateddy]

Wilcopops..please give me YOUR definition of a racist

you realize that is a totally racist response?

Sent from my SM-G7102 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app

[Eagle60]

Democracy spoke and the vote was to leave. I am not bothered either way to be honest. Like many of you I am sure, simply bored of it all. No problem with marching, if you feel annoyed by the result of a democratic vote. That is your right. But if you believe in democracy you have to accept its results. Protest by all means, but an adult accepts what comes at them in life and accepts, when things perhaps, do not go their way. They find a way to deal with it and move on. Imagine if every time people voted on something it could be over turned because a number of people were upset. If we follow that very dangerous course, next time it might be your opinion overturned, or your vote rubbished. Its childish politics and undermines democracy. What a mess it would be if they did that every time a vote was given.

The mess is not the Leavers or Remainers fault, but the politicians, certain media manipulation and perhaps large power players with self interest. The politicians are paid to do a professional job of managing the country. A small number of people who through bitterness, ego, self-interest, power plays and an inept ability, have caused chaos. They have let down all the people of the UK, both Remainers and Leavers. But they love via the media to twist it to being the fault of Brexit, or the fault of certain people. Rubbish. The transition could have been a lot smoother. But a small group of people have created chaos and it certainly was not the result of them caring, or genuinely representing their constituents, or the people of the UK.

Watching from a far, they remind me of spoiled kids, with little sense of reality. Is anyone surprised that society is in a poor state with all the out of control crime in London, NHS at breaking point, a declining police force and continued interference in foreign countries, unnecessarily spending billions of tax payer’s money.  Watch them on TV, they are all so pompous and self-righteous. It seems they have long forgotten who they work for and who pays them a salary. I feel sorry for all the people of the UK, both Leavers and Remainers. Imagine if you behaved like them in your job. I doubt we would have a job for long.

Edited March 29, 2019 by Eagle60

[evadgib]

12 hours ago, 7by7 said:

You'll be in for a long wait.

 

Unlike you, I prefer to think for myself, judge all the facts, and indeed opinions of others, before forming and then posting my own opinions rather than, as you do, merely repeating those of others.

 

Unlike you I believe members here are capable of reading and understanding posts of more then one sentence and sentences of more than a few monosyllables; well, most of them. 

....& unlike you I'm not on the 0654hrs Woking to Waterloo every day ????

 

[billd766]

20 hours ago, 7by7 said:

He has one of the worst attendance records of any MEP; all the while collecting his salary and using the FoM directive, which he was against, to employ his German wife in the UK and claim expenses to cover her salary.

 

When we leave he will receive a nice lump sum compensation payment for losing his job plus a handsome pension when he reaches 63. Paid for not by the EU but by the British taxpayer. He could turn this down, but has stated on numerous occasions that he wont.

 

Why should he give it up. After all he has worked for it. As for employing his wife in the UK that is certainly allowable, no matter what nationality she is.

 

His pension fund is paid for by the EU whether you agree or not as he has been represent the UK at the EU for many years. Sure a percentage is paid by the UK as for example Juncker and all the rest get their pensions from the EU funds. If you asked them to give up their pensions they would simply laugh at you.

 

20 hours ago, PREM-R said:

"... a handsome pension when he reaches 63..."  

When I hear the name 'Farage'  I get this picture of a grey haired old man, smoking a Cuban cigar, drinking a fine malt whisky and looking out of his penthouse apartment.......down on to Red Square.  

Have you seen a doctor about your hearing and imagination problem.  ???? 

[Nigel Garvie]

9 hours ago, nontabury said:

 

There’s me thinking the people did decide in 2016, in a Democratic vote.

 

 

 

 

I listen to this fat fool and wonder just how thick is it possible to be?

This sad child thinks that the MPs belong to him, and will do what he instructs them to do. 

How many times do people on this forum have to explain how the parliamentary system works. 

OK - for the last time- The MPs, once they are elected are:- 

1) Supposed to represent ALL their constituents.

2) Responsible for making up their OWN minds on what they believe to be best for the country.

3) Not beholden to ANY particular group or faction in their constituency.

4) FREE to change their minds if they see fit.

 

We live in a PARLIAMENTARY Democracy. Thats how it works, Parliament is sovereign, and it is Parliament that rules us, not an advisory referendum. Naturally Parliament is expected to do it's best to put into operation the results of ANY referendum, but it is NOT duty bound to do so. This is certainly the case if a referendum demands Unicorns, and the MPs discover that there aren't any.

 

Please don't tell us (Yawn) about what David -Crock of sh#t - Cameron promised,  it was NOT his or ANY other politicians to promise, it's up to Parliament. Parliament is sovereign - THAT'S the way our Democratic system works, this is enshrined in law.

[evadgib]

5 minutes ago, Nigel Garvie said:

I listen to this fat fool and wonder just how thick is it possible to be?

This sad child thinks that the MPs belong to him, and will do what he instructs them to do. 

How many times do people on this forum have to explain how the parliamentary system works. 

OK - for the last time- The MPs, once they are elected are:- 

1) Supposed to represent ALL their constituents.

2) Responsible for making up their OWN minds on what they believe to be best for the country.

3) Not beholden to ANY particular group or faction in their constituency.

4) FREE to change their minds if they see fit.

 

We live in a PARLIAMENTARY Democracy. Thats how it works, Parliament is sovereign, and it is Parliament that rules us, not an advisory referendum. Naturally Parliament is expected to do it's best to put into operation the results of ANY referendum, but it is NOT duty bound to do so. This is certainly the case if a referendum demands Unicorns, and the MPs discover that there aren't any.

 

Please don't tell us (Yawn) about what David -Crock of sh#t - Cameron promised,  it was NOT his or ANY other politicians to promise, it's up to Parliament. Parliament is sovereign - THAT'S the way our Democratic system works, this is enshrined in law.

well here's another bloke wot got it wrong:

 

[Loiner]

...it was NOT his or ANY other politicians to promise, it's up to Parliament. Parliament is sovereign - THAT'S the way our Democratic system works, this is enshrined in law.

Would this be the same Parliament that already passed the European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018 which became law by royal assent on 26June18?
Would it be democratic to overturn their own laws made only nine months previous? Or is this just a case of a big misunderstanding by the Remainers?

[Nigel Garvie]

9 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Would this be the same Parliament that already passed the European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018 which became law by royal assent on 26June18?
Would it be democratic to overturn their own laws made only nine months previous? Or is this just a case of a big misunderstanding by the Remainers?

Yes they did pass this act, and yes it did become law, and yes it is democratic for them to repeal their own laws. Indeed they have been doing just that for a long long time - look up "Repeal of the corn laws" if you need to.

[Loiner]

Yes they did pass this act, and yes it did become law, and yes it is democratic for them to repeal their own laws. Indeed they have been doing just that for a long long time - look up "Repeal of the corn laws" if you need to.

We’re the corn laws repealed within the same year?

[geoffbezoz]

Don't forget the evil witch from Grantham repealed her own poll tax laws after significant public protests.  The only difference then is that the evil witch eventually listened and knew her own position was at stake. Unfortunately Teresa May is so ignorant of public opinion, and shows  complete defiance of it, things will only change once she goes. Hopefully soon.

[billd766]

16 minutes ago, Loiner said:

We’re the corn laws repealed within the same year?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corn_Laws

 

The Corn Laws were tariffs and other trade restrictions on imported food and grain ("corn") enforced in Great Britain between 1815 and 1846. The word "corn" in the English spoken in Nineteenth Century Britain denotes all cereal grains, such as wheat and barley. They were designed to keep grain prices high to favour domestic producers, and represented British mercantilism.[1] The Corn Laws imposed steep import duties, making it too expensive to import grain from abroad, even when food supplies were short.

 

They were in place for 31 years before being repealed.

[Loiner]

Don't forget the evil witch from Grantham repealed her own poll tax laws after significant public protests.  The only difference then is that the evil witch eventually listened and knew her own position was at stake. Unfortunately Teresa May is so ignorant of public opinion, and shows  complete defiance of it, things will only change once she goes. Hopefully soon.

The difference is that the majority of the people didn’t vote for the poll tax, but they did to Leave the EU. In the case of Theresa May, she is not listening to the majority, but has been pandering to her Remain minority and the EU.