Thai voters go to polls as coup-leader, 'democratic front' face off

[sjaak327]

Just now, pornprong said:

Another vote and Brexit would be finished.

What a silly notion, that democracy cannot be allowed to correct itself.

Brexit is a major <deleted> up, and yes, I do believe another vote would put it to bed instantly. Logic and reason before idiocy. And fully agree, democracy should be allow to correct itself, certainly with a slim margin as that brexit vote !

[pornprong]

Abhisit resigns from Democrat Party.

 

Good riddance.

 

It of course means the Democrat Party will now support Prayuth so he has his required 126.

[candide]

I just saw on the BBC that the EC announced they will delay the announcement of election results until tomorrow.

Surprising?

[CLW]

How can a party (PPRP) with 28% of the votes and 26% of the parliamentary seats win an election and nominate a prime minister?
No democracy and making Thailand a laughing stock worldwide...

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[Eligius]

18 minutes ago, sjaak327 said:

The real question is, in two months when the results are announced, how much will those differ from exit polls. Normally they difference would be +-5%, here that difference might very well be very substantial. Does anyone here (apart from Rob) really believe the counts will be accurate ? 

 

I have Saphan Thaksin, I will sell it for 10 baht. 

To me, it is overwhelmingly, supremely OBVIOUS what is going on with the 'count' and the vote 'result'. I won't say more - except that we can look forward to many more years of benign and wise leadership and rule from the honourable 'good people'  ...

 

[CLW]

I just saw on the BBC that the EC announced they will delay the announcement of election results until tomorrow.
Surprising?

Not done enough manipulation yet. They need more time

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[NanLaew]

3 minutes ago, robblok said:

I am talking about votes.. not constituencies, and based on that its a huge loss.  Also I am talking about votes not seats so things can be compared (no longer the 50 bonus for a large party) . You just hate to admit it and admit that your landslide is not true according to the definition. Before I thought you were a reasonable guy but if you can't even accept numbers and see that they lost a huge number of votes then what is the point if we cant even discuss hard numbers. 

No need to call another members opinion unreasonable since you can't grasp the significance of having Thai Raksa Chart being red-carded. Maybe you haven't been around long enough to see that there's way, way more significance in the Democrats abject failure here than there is in any notional decline in Thaksins popularity as determined from the success of his proxies in elections. It's akin to the collapse of the UK's Liberal party after Jeremy Thorpe threw the towel in. An institutional Thai political party has been kicked to the curb.

[sjaak327]

1 minute ago, pornprong said:

Abhisit resigns from Democrat Party.

 

Good riddance.

 

It of course means the Democrat Party will now support Prayuth so he has his required 126.

I disagree, he was a voice of reason within that party. With him gone, yes, they will go to Prayuth, even though they said they won't … 

[thequietman]

Terrible Turnout. About 46 per cent of the electorate. Majority of them female.

[sjaak327]

Just now, thequietman said:

Terrible Turnout. About 46 per cent of the electorate. Majority of them female.

Oh ! That is suprising. Maybe just maybe the Thai decided there was no use to even show up. To me that is Always the wrong choice.

[NanLaew]

7 minutes ago, pornprong said:

Another vote and Brexit would be finished.

What a silly notion, that democracy cannot be allowed to correct itself.

Almost as silly as preventing the wishes from the previous democratic vote from ever being fulfilled.

 

But let's not go there.

[NanLaew]

8 minutes ago, pornprong said:

Abhisit resigns from Democrat Party.

 

Good riddance.

 

It of course means the Democrat Party will now support Prayuth so he has his required 126.

Stitched up like a kipper as they say in Shoreditch.

[pornprong]

5 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

No need to call another members opinion unreasonable since you can't grasp the significance of having Thai Raksa Chart being red-carded. Maybe you haven't been around long enough to see that there's way, way more significance in the Democrats abject failure here than there is in any notional decline in Thaksins popularity as determined from the success of his proxies in elections. It's akin to the collapse of the UK's Liberal party after Jeremy Thorpe threw the towel in. An institutional Thai political party has been kicked to the curb.

An institutional Thai political party has been kicked to the curb......and been replaced by something far more extreme, inflexible and incapable.

[Nickymaster]

6 minutes ago, thequietman said:

Terrible Turnout. About 46 per cent of the electorate. Majority of them female.

That contradicts your earlier post. #169. 

[CLW]

PPTV Ch 36 doing an interesting analysis of possible coalitions

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[Huayrat]

1 hour ago, NanLaew said:

Still Grafting then Ken?

He has just lost the vote so not that popular.. Only wins because of the 250 cronies..

[newatthis]

5 minutes ago, thequietman said:

Terrible Turnout. About 46 per cent of the electorate. Majority of them female.

Then Thais only have themselves to blame for the result because of their laziness.

Also,  whoever governs cannot say they represent the majority of the people.

[pornprong]

4 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

Almost as silly as preventing the wishes from the previous democratic vote from ever being fulfilled.

 

But let's not go there.

You would certainly have a far better informed public voting second time round so you would get a result that more perfectly matched the want of the people.

 

I once, during a moment of inattention, put my left shoe on my right foot, guess what I did next?

[sjaak327]

12 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

No need to call another members opinion unreasonable since you can't grasp the significance of having Thai Raksa Chart being red-carded. Maybe you haven't been around long enough to see that there's way, way more significance in the Democrats abject failure here than there is in any notional decline in Thaksins popularity as determined from the success of his proxies in elections. It's akin to the collapse of the UK's Liberal party after Jeremy Thorpe threw the towel in. An institutional Thai political party has been kicked to the curb.

It is no surpise that the vast vast majority of votes won by the pro Junta party would come at the expense of the democrats. In the exit polls they still grabbed 80+ seats, in the "real counting" of the votes (note the ") they are well and truly decimated. In fact, they are trashed by future forward as well.

 

rob is just living in his own little dream world. These elections weren't fair, and apparently the turnout is less than 50% that is well and truly sad and a big sign on the wall. As I said he misses a lot of variables. 

[Huayrat]

51 minutes ago, pornprong said:

Regardless of any cheating and the rigged system, the fact remains that millions of Thais have chosen to vote for continued military rule.

Not being willing to risk death or jail through activism can most certainly be excused but voting as these millions have cannot.

The people of Thailand have no one to blame but themselves for whatever becomes of their country after today.

No they haven't.. look at the result.. The Thai ppl didn't vote for the 250 cowboys that will put him back in.

[sjaak327]

4 minutes ago, newatthis said:

Then Thais only have themselves to blame for the result because of their laziness.

Also,  whoever governs cannot say they represent the majority of the people.

It's not laziness. It's the fact that the whole thing has been pre-arranged already. I know unprecedented anywhere else, but that doesn't make it less of a reality. Voting in Thailand doesn't make any difference, other then legitimize a coup. 

[sjaak327]

Just now, Huayrat said:

No they haven't.. look at the result.. The Thai ppl didn't vote for the 250 cowboys that will put him back in.

Only if the lower house fails to reach a majority. The 250 appointed senators should of course have absolutely nothing to do with whom becomes the PM. Maybe that explains the extreme low turnout. 

[pornprong]

1 minute ago, Huayrat said:

No they haven't.. look at the result.. The Thai ppl didn't vote for the 250 cowboys that will put him back in.

6 million voted for them.

(probably less than that , but still in the millions).

I cannot for the life of me think of another country where millions of citizens would vote for dictatorship - can you?

[sjaak327]

Just now, pornprong said:

6 million voted for them.

(probably less than that , but still in the millions).

I cannot for the life of me think of another country where millions of citizens would vote for dictatorship - can you?

considering all the money they threw around, I am surprised it isn't more...

[CLW]

6 million voted for them.
(probably less than that , but still in the millions).
I cannot for the life of me think of another country where millions of citizens would vote for dictatorship - can you?

Including all the paid and rigged votes

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[sjaak327]

9 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

That degree of low turnout denied the Scots their first stab at Independence. I wonder if the EC has an as-yet unannounced rule that says that due to the nation's indolence and apathy, this election will be annulled and they'll try again in maybe 5 years from now?

5555 I get what you are saying, fact is the "approved constitution" had a similar turnout. I think you know where I am going with this ????

[CLW]

Where are the news of people's protests and demonstrations?
I saw a result like this coming and was hoping there will be some action at this time of the day. I was hoping to have a day off tomorrow [emoji41]

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[rabas]

9 minutes ago, sjaak327 said:

It is no surpise that the vast vast majority of votes won by the pro Junta party would come at the expense of the democrats. In the exit polls they still grabbed 80+ seats, in the "real counting" of the votes (note the ") they are well and truly decimated. In fact, they are trashed by future forward as well.

 

rob is just living in his own little dream world. These elections weren't fair, and apparently the turnout is less than 50% that is well and truly sad and a big sign on the wall. As I said he misses a lot of variables. 

I don't think the turnout numbers in this thread are correct, maybe an early reading. The Post is showing 96% counted with 34.5 million votes, so 36 million votes cast.

[NanLaew]

3 minutes ago, pornprong said:

You would certainly have a far better informed public voting second time round so you would get a result that more perfectly matched the want of the people.

 

I once, during a moment of inattention, put my left shoe on my right foot, guess what I did next?

No. You would still have a poorly advised, woefully ignorant electorate choosing to Remain primarily because they're sick and tired of the endless to-and-fro and petty politicking. They're bored with it all and want it to end but still can't be bothered to take some time to consider their options beyond what the media headlines say their options are. Because in your own words, that matches perfectly what the people want which is not the same as what the people need.

 

Regarding your shoe conundrum... you asked for a second opinion?

[sjaak327]

2 minutes ago, rabas said:

I don't think the turnout numbers in this thread are correct, maybe an early reading. The Post is showing 96% counted with 34.5 million votes, so 36 million votes cast.

The post website is down for me for hours, so I cannot see.  If those numbers are correct, it would mean a turn out of 70% give or take. 

 

TBS has a internal server error. Boggles the mind how those companies cannot deliver content when it is needed.