Thaksin removed from list of outstanding alumni

[Baerboxer]

12 hours ago, ThaiBunny said:

Of course he was. Outside Thailand there's significant acknowledgement that the conviction was entirely motivated for political reasons. That's why so many countries are prepared to allow the Shinawatras residence and free movement

 

Do you think the non Thai passports (possibly diplomatic ones), the billionaire status, the private jets ensuring VIP airport treatment might possible have anything to do with the free movement and allowing them to stay? 

Oh, and the reluctance of the Thai authorities to try even a little to really get them back?

 

Can you show us these "significant acknowledgements"?

 

Noticeably not one country as actually supported, through actions or words, either Thaksin or Yingluck be returned to power. That speaks volumes.

 

Sure, the reason on who and who not to prosecute might be political, but that doesn't make the crime any less a crime.

[Baerboxer]

8 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Never heard of that award until now. Is that a prestigious award? The academy is equivalent to the last 3 years of senior high school. Don't think Thaksin even remember that insignificant award. The timing of the removal does make the academy looks silly and petty. 

 

About as important to him as having a 50 meter swimming proficiency award!

 

I'd wager he's more pressing things to think about!

[Baerboxer]

10 hours ago, ezzra said:

Incase you have missed the last few elections, Thaksin is represented by at least 2 proxy/nomini parties which always wins the most votes,

Thaksin is an economic hero and a saviour of the Thai grassroots majority of country people and farmers that maintains that in his times as a PM life were good and plenty and money was to be made, which is true as he showers gifts and freebies on everyone to win people's heart through their pockets, and this is news because now, he has be dealt a humiliation to be stripped of rank and honors that are very important to Thai hi-so...

 

He and his family certainly made plenty of money during his and his various nominees times as PM!!

[steven100]

He's a has been ....  gone ... finished , over.

[wgdanson]

12 hours ago, colinneil said:

Silly buggers, they nothing better to spend their time on?

Thaksin has been gone over 10 years, he dont give a rats a++e about it.  

And he set Man City onto their winning ways, made about 50M quid selling it. I'll give him an award.

[Redline]

Leave not rock unturned, but stop talking about him.  It’s like Trump and Hillary ???? but a longer timeframe 

[pornprong]

18 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

 

He and his family certainly made plenty of money during his and his various nominees times as PM!!

That is actually incorrect.

Thaksin made his money, some 60 billion baht via the tried and tested Thai method of wealth accumulation - government concessions, prior to becoming PM.

Whilst PM his wealth underperformed the Thai stock market.

After the 2006 coup Thaksin had 76 billion baht frozen by the junta

In 2010 the (far from impartial) Thai courts ordered of the 76 billion that 46 billion be seized and 30 billion is to remain frozen

Prior to becoming PM Thaksin was one of just 4 Thai billionaires, currently he sits at number 19 on that list.

Politics has not been good for the Shinawatra fortune.

[from the home of CC]

this might have been nothing to him but it does affirm the only way back to his homeland will be in a box.. 

[billd766]

22 hours ago, Artisi said:

more than likely it will - just a little more face publicly removed - and you know how he loves the limelight ...

Yet the government has just given him more publicity and more face with his loyal voters and fans.

[Huayrat]

On 3/28/2019 at 5:51 AM, sjaak327 said:

Amazing, he was awarded a reward in 2011 three years after his conviction. Seems the same criteria do not apply to those rewards. It took them a 11 years to figure all of this out. Hopefully this time frame isn't being applied to the EC in announcing election results !

Awarded by his own ppl thats why..

[Artisi]

1 hour ago, pornprong said:

That is actually incorrect.

Thaksin made his money, some 60 billion baht via the tried and tested Thai method of wealth accumulation - government concessions, prior to becoming PM.

Whilst PM his wealth underperformed the Thai stock market.

After the 2006 coup Thaksin had 76 billion baht frozen by the junta

In 2010 the (far from impartial) Thai courts ordered of the 76 billion that 46 billion be seized and 30 billion is to remain frozen

Prior to becoming PM Thaksin was one of just 4 Thai billionaires, currently he sits at number 19 on that list.

Politics has not been good for the Shinawatra fortune.

Not good, can you arrange 10% of his wealth it into my bank account.... 

[Artisi]

On 3/29/2019 at 1:11 PM, billd766 said:

Yet the government has just given him more publicity and more face with his loyal voters and fans.

Seems a little more publicity has been handed awarded from the top - only this will translate as a lot more face loss. 

[KMartinHandyman]

He's the leader of the Laos ethnic Thai majority, he doesn't need to be anything else to get every one of their votes in every election.

Never getting my Issan born wife’s vote. She’s loyal to the King. She tells me Thaksin questioned if the continuation of the royals was best for Thailand and for that he and his party are eternally in the penalty box.
She was in Bangkok in 2013/2014 and felt unsafe. She feels the police did and do nothing to help the people unlike the Kings Army who respond to disasters, emergency’s and corruption when called upon.
She’s okay with Prayut, “nobody’s perfect, he do good”
I’m no expert but she makes a good case from her perspective.

[BritManToo]

6 minutes ago, KMartinHandyman said:

Never getting my Issan born wife’s vote. She’s loyal to the King. She tells me Thaksin questioned if the continuation of the royals was best for Thailand and for that he and his party are eternally in the penalty box.

I think you're wrong in which side they're on but don't wish to break forum rules.

Prayut banning one political party supports my position, as does their choice in country of residence.

[BritManToo]

1 minute ago, Father Fintan Stack said:

Incredible the amount of foreigners that marry Thais and take no interest in actually learning stuff for themselves

Not our country and never will be, why should any of us care?

[robblok]

Wow, talk about meaningless things to do I am sure there are others on the list who are as corrupt as Thaksin. 

 

I am no fan of the guy, but see no point in this list like that are often just based on what people donate to schools ect.

[pornprong]

3 minutes ago, KMartinHandyman said:

Never getting my Issan born wife’s vote. She’s loyal to the King. She tells me Thaksin questioned if the continuation of the royals was best for Thailand and for that he and his party are eternally in the penalty box.
She was in Bangkok in 2013/2014 and felt unsafe. She feels the police did and do nothing to help the people unlike the Kings Army who respond to disasters, emergency’s and corruption when called upon.
She’s okay with Prayut, “nobody’s perfect, he do good”
I’m no expert but she makes a good case from her perspective.

If your comments are true, then your wife is certainly an outlier when compared to the rest of Issan.

The region voted overwhelmingly for Thaksin as they have done for 20 years.

 

The police did nothing?

Tell that to this poor bastard who got his legs blown to pieces kicking away a grenade thrown by Suthep's mob. 

 

 

Embedded with the protestors were many heavily armed Thai military personnel.

Make no mistake, the Thai military were heavily involved in the overthrow of the democratically elected government.

 

The street protests started in November 2013, the military did not get involved until May 2014 - how does your beloved wife explain this dithering?

 

All Thai corruption, at its root, is military corruption.

The Thai military's primary aim is not to defend the borders, it is to enable corruption.

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/1993/05/motherjones-mj93-course-corruption/

 

You are indeed no expert, something you have very much in common with your delightful wife.

[Odysseus123]

I have removed him from the photo of my  primary school class (8th Grade) in Bullamakanka,NSW, 1961.

 

It took a bit of an effort to use the white out but the result came out okay even if it took half of Wally the bed-wetter with it.

 

Now..for those of you who find it hard to believe that Thaksin was in my Primary School class in in 1961,my only reply is-HE'S EVERYWHERE!

[KMartinHandyman]

I offered my Issan wife’s aversion to Thaksin and any adjacent parties with some of her reasonings against Britman’s claim that Thaksin gets every vote up here.

Nothing more or less really I was just offering insight to her opinion which counts as a vote unlike expats like us on here who only have opinions.

 

[scorecard]

1 hour ago, Father Fintan Stack said:

I own businesses here. I work here.

 

I'm sure many others have their reasons such as friends and family, in particular young children, will be wondering if this is the kind of place they want them growing up in. 

 

Etc.

Well yes, I had these concerns when my Thai son was very young, however he's now very well educated, has a good professional career and is well respected. His Thai wife similar picture.

 

They both give time every week (no reward) in various sports activities, they both teach autistic, deaf and blind kids to swim.

 

The main things they both really hate: corruption, lack of balanced effective education and work opportunity, cronyism (nepotism) in jobs in government etc., and the enormous gap in income.

 

They now have 3 kids and they worry a lot about the future for their kids, and often talk about the need for massive change, and they are ensuring their kids get the best possible education and ensuring their kids grow up well aware of the things that need urgent/massive attention and balance and equality.

 

So far so good but yes many many kids don't have the same opportunities and insightful parents, but at least most get some love.

[pornprong]

44 minutes ago, KMartinHandyman said:

I offered my Issan wife’s aversion to Thaksin and any adjacent parties with some of her reasonings against Britman’s claim that Thaksin gets every vote up here.

Nothing more or less really I was just offering insight to her opinion which counts as a vote unlike expats like us on here who only have opinions.

 

If she's in Issan and voting against Thaksin, her vote is as of as much value as a non-voting opinionated expats.

[billd766]

3 hours ago, Artisi said:

Seems a little more publicity has been handed awarded from the top - only this will translate as a lot more face loss. 

I doubt it.

 

If you look back over the 5 years that the junta has been in power they have tried to get rid of Thaksin and his parties by hook or by crook in anyway that they can. There are quite a few people around the world who look at Thailand and see what this government is doing and are under impressed by it.

 

Why do you think that he can travel to almost any country in the world and not be held as a fugitive? Most countries treat his "crimes and conviction and Yingluck's as well", as politically motivated.

 

That is what this is all about.

[billd766]

2 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Not our country and never will be, why should any of us care?

I care because I live here with my Thai family.

[BritManToo]

7 minutes ago, billd766 said:

I care because I live here with my Thai family.

Not for much longer I suspect.

[scorecard]

42 minutes ago, pornprong said:

If she's in Issan and voting against Thaksin, her vote is as of as much value as a non-voting opinionated expats.

But you seem to dismiss that the lady has a right to an opinion and a right to vote accordingly regardless of how her neighbors etc vote.

[Artisi]

2 hours ago, Odysseus123 said:

I have removed him from the photo of my  primary school class (8th Grade) in Bullamakanka,NSW, 1961.

 

It took a bit of an effort to use the white out but the result came out okay even if it took half of Wally the bed-wetter with it.

 

Now..for those of you who find it hard to believe that Thaksin was in my Primary School class in in 1961,my only reply is-HE'S EVERYWHERE!

I thought you were from either wheelabarraback or dragaginalong

[Artisi]

36 minutes ago, billd766 said:

I doubt it.

 

If you look back over the 5 years that the junta has been in power they have tried to get rid of Thaksin and his parties by hook or by crook in anyway that they can. There are quite a few people around the world who look at Thailand and see what this government is doing and are under impressed by it.

 

Why do you think that he can travel to almost any country in the world and not be held as a fugitive? Most countries treat his "crimes and conviction and Yingluck's as well", as politically motivated.

 

That is what this is all about.

Except it wasn't the junta pulling the plug this time. 

[pornprong]

2 hours ago, scorecard said:

Well yes, I had these concerns when my Thai son was very young, however he's now very well educated, has a good professional career and is well respected. His Thai wife similar picture.

 

They both give time every week (no reward) in various sports activities, they both teach autistic, deaf and blind kids to swim.

 

The main things they both really hate: corruption, lack of balanced effective education and work opportunity, cronyism (nepotism) in jobs in government etc., and the enormous gap in income.

 

They now have 3 kids and they worry a lot about the future for their kids, and often talk about the need for massive change, and they are ensuring their kids get the best possible education and ensuring their kids grow up well aware of the things that need urgent/massive attention and balance and equality.

 

So far so good but yes many many kids don't have the same opportunities and insightful parents, but at least most get some love.

How odd that the son you describe seems so progressive and forward thinking yet he has a father who wiles away his hours posting pro-junta nonsense, effectively supporting everything that said son is opposed to.

[pornprong]

1 hour ago, scorecard said:

But you seem to dismiss that the lady has a right to an opinion and a right to vote accordingly regardless of how her neighbors etc vote.

Your comprehension skills do appear to be rather sadly lacking.

Nowhere have I questioned her right to either an opinion or a vote.

 

What I rightly pointed out was that:

 

1. her opinion is based on nonsense 

2. her vote is inconsequential due to the overwhelming support her friends, family and neighbours give to Thaksin

[scorecard]

1 hour ago, pornprong said:

How odd that the son you describe seems so progressive and forward thinking yet he has a father who wiles away his hours posting pro-junta nonsense, effectively supporting everything that said son is opposed to.