Theresa May to ask EU for further Brexit extension

[Baerboxer]

10 hours ago, vogie said:

Asking for help from the leader of the opposition who she and her party described as a threat to national security. I just hope that there is some method in her madness.

 

The only method in her madness is to try and preserve the Tory party. 

 

Even if that means conniving with the loony left Corbyn who will stab her in the bag first chance he gets.

 

All so she can say "wow look how clever I am. I delivered Brexit and kept the Tory party intact".

 

The fact it will be a crap piss-poor deal that's far worse than the deal we have is of no consequence to her. Just like the GBP 39 billion + in payments to the EU; and the billions spent on consultants, compensation etc etc due to Brexit is of no consequence. Disgusting woman.

[Jip99]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It’s the former Leave voters that will simply stay at home that will make the difference.

 

The recent pitiful turnout in demonstrations supporting Brexit is a better measure of public sentiment than what people might tell someone who they know to be an ardent Brexiteer.

 

I accept your point but I think that if they bothered to turn out for a lost cause last time (bookies 1/9 Remain) then I think they will come out on principle for a second vote.

 

As said, it won't happen - but the next election is going to be interesting.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, vogie said:

Voting has become a lottery.

Well if you will vote for pie in the sky promises with no plan attached. 

[dunroaming]

24 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Finally an intelligent response in the last 20 minutes. .????

 

Well It doesn't mean I agree. So can you give some facts on that or is it an opinion. Not saying opinions don't count. I would have thought that those who put their mark on the paper with an x have a lot to do with political leanings.

 

How do you know they were UK citizens? As a the press and others use this as an indicator of public opinion which is not accurate.

Where I live and therefore where I am referring to is the constituency of Dominic Raab.  Even he acknowledged that 80% of his constituents voted remain.  Obviously they are people eligible to vote so count as UK citizens.  Or you could pop up the road to Richmond, another Tory heartland where the majority of voters were for remain.  Hardly a leftie enclave with all those "city traders".  But that is not the point.  Remainers and leavers come from all political colours as was demonstrated by both marches.  

[Jip99]

1 hour ago, dunroaming said:

On a slightly lighter note.  I don't want a second referendum because it would just deepen the wound that Brexit has inflicted on the country.  But I think that remain would win for a couple of reasons.  One is that there are now considerably more young people eligible to vote and a number of old people have popped their clogs since the referendum. ????

 

 

I agree with the wound comment...the country is in need of repair - it will have to be self healing because I have no faith in the surgeons sitting in parliament.

1 hour ago, dunroaming said:

 

 

[puipuitom]

10 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Yesterday I read an article that more and more Europeans, and especially European politicians, are by now completely fed-up with May and UK Brexit politics.

Imagine these Brits would stay in the EU, that would be a total nightmare.

Please go! Anyway you want, just go!

 

P.S.: I am sorry for the younger generation on the islands. Maybe when their influence gets stronger over the years they can apply for a new EU membership - but obviously without all those special extra rules. Good luck!

Completely agree. Never, and never, the hearts of the British were at the EU. Only "MY money back". 

So, let them, throw them out. Let's see how soon they will regret it an apply for a new membership whent their export is wrecked, and over a 100.000 jobs migrated to continental EU.  And then… no priovilegdes, accept Schengen and €uro + right lane traffic.

The British forget: their export goes to the EU (43%) and associated countries. see in google with "import export uk to eu". Look especially how much of imports from non-EU members = oil and gas.

  but especially  https://www.gov.uk/guidance/exporting-and-importing-goods-if-the-uk-leaves-the-eu-with-no-deal  

 

In figures released in the second calendar year after the EU referendum, exports to non-EU countries amounted to around £342 billion in 2017, showing the worldwide demand for British goods and services remains. Exports to EU countries were around £274 billion in 2017.

The fastest growing export market for the UK since 2010 was Oman, with exports increasing by 354% to £3 billion ( so 1,1% of EU trade) . This was followed by Macedonia (FYROM) with UK trade growing by 318% to £1 billion ( 0,366% of EU)  and then Kazakhstan which was up by 210% to £2 billion ( 0,73% of EU) .

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[malagateddy]

Ever thought bout people that could not get/take time of their work???

Odd you don’t address the declining numbers supporting Brexit marches.
 
 

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[Baerboxer]

1 hour ago, dunroaming said:

Not really.  I have a theory, probably pie in the sky but I am trying to see where May is going with this latest move.  It could be that she knows that Corbyn will not change his position and she won't change hers and their talks will break down. Then, you are left with another round of indicative votes.  She has been very anti them so far but this would give her a chance to pass the buck.

 

Could be completely off the mark but....  She spent 7 hours with her cabinet yesterday before coming out with last nights statement.  Apparently some members of her cabinet are spitting blood over her decision but none of them have resigned over it.  So much for principles then!

 

7 hours, - yes but the sandwiches, coffee and Chilean red wine were probably jolly good!

[malagateddy]

I sincerely hope thst the corrupt beurocrats " throw us out ".
But wait a minute..Germany don't to be the eu ATM for all the subsidy junkie countries.
The subsidy junkie countries do not want the UK ATM to be NO MORE
Answers on a postcard please[emoji6]

Completely agree. Never, and never, the hearts of the British were at the EU. Only "MY money back". 
So, let them, throw them out. Let's see how soon they will regret it an apply for a new membership whent their export is wrecked, and over a 100.000 jobs migrated to continental EU.  And then… no priovilegdes, accept Schengen and €uro + right lane traffic.
The British forget: their export goes to the EU (43%) and associated countries. see in google with "import export uk to eu". Look especially how much of imports from non-EU members = oil and gas.
  but especially  https://www.gov.uk/guidance/exporting-and-importing-goods-if-the-uk-leaves-the-eu-with-no-deal    

In figures released in the second calendar year after the EU referendum, exports to non-EU countries amounted to around £342 billion in 2017, showing the worldwide demand for British goods and services remains. Exports to EU countries were around £274 billion in 2017.

The fastest growing export market for the UK since 2010 was Oman, with exports increasing by 354% to £3 billion ( so 1,1% of EU trade) . This was followed by Macedonia (FYROM) with UK trade growing by 318% to £1 billion ( 0,366% of EU)  and then Kazakhstan which was up by 210% to £2 billion ( 0,73% of EU) .

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[Baerboxer]

7 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

Completely agree. Never, and never, the hearts of the British were at the EU. Only "MY money back". 

So, let them, throw them out. Let's see how soon they will regret it an apply for a new membership whent their export is wrecked, and over a 100.000 jobs migrated to continental EU.  And then… no priovilegdes, accept Schengen and €uro + right lane traffic.

The British forget: their export goes to the EU (43%) and associated countries. see in google with "import export uk to eu". Look especially how much of imports from non-EU members = oil and gas.

  but especially  https://www.gov.uk/guidance/exporting-and-importing-goods-if-the-uk-leaves-the-eu-with-no-deal  

 

In figures released in the second calendar year after the EU referendum, exports to non-EU countries amounted to around £342 billion in 2017, showing the worldwide demand for British goods and services remains. Exports to EU countries were around £274 billion in 2017.

The fastest growing export market for the UK since 2010 was Oman, with exports increasing by 354% to £3 billion ( so 1,1% of EU trade) . This was followed by Macedonia (FYROM) with UK trade growing by 318% to £1 billion ( 0,366% of EU)  and then Kazakhstan which was up by 210% to £2 billion ( 0,73% of EU) .

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History has important lessons. Sooner or later, but for sure, the EU will fail. The few net payers in will get more and more enraged at those who regard it as a grab all you can gravy train. Many people across EU member states appear also to be tiring of the gradual move to a more centralized state controlled bureaucracy. 

 

When the split comes, it's likely to be acrimonious. The US has it's own problems and interests and won't be keen to keep the peace in the EU, at its own cost. Russia and Tureky would just love stirring that pot. And China would be serenely waiting, politely smiling to cash in economically.

 

When that time comes, don't expect Britain to step in and clean it up like before. And it will come, as sure as houses.

[Chomper Higgot]

Brexiteers need to face this reality.

 

Brexit has turned out to be a crock, and everyone can see it’s a crock.

 

Good luck selling more Brexit.

[JTXR]

Leave.  After that, whatever's going to happen will happen, but the rest of the world is sick of this stupid show, so just leave.

[Loiner]

Ever thought bout people that could not get/take time of their work???

Or that the Leave voters are spread throughout the whole country, not just a quick trip down the M4.

[Baerboxer]

5 minutes ago, malagateddy said:

I sincerely hope thst the corrupt beurocrats " throw us out ".
But wait a minute..Germany don't to be the eu ATM for all the subsidy junkie countries.
The subsidy junkie countries do not want the UK ATM to be NO MORE
Answers on a postcard please

 

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The Leader of the AfD gave a very supportive speech towards the UK in the German parliament. He more or less told Merkel she should be getting off her fat arse and doing much more to persuade the Brussels gang to be more helpful to finding a good solution and not intent on punishing the UK as a warning to others. He also made reference to being thankful the UK was a strong ally who had protected Germany for a long time.

 

A wise and honest man. (Won't last in modern EU politics!),

[Baerboxer]

5 minutes ago, JTXR said:

Leave.  After that, whatever's going to happen will happen, but the rest of the world is sick of this stupid show, so just leave.

 

No one forces anyone to watch, listen or comment.

 

Must be pretty thick if they keep following "a stupid show" that makes them feel sick!

 

PS. - who elected you to speak on behalf of over 7 billion people?

[RuamRudy]

3 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Or that the Leave voters are spread throughout the whole country, not just a quick trip down the M4.

I presume you mean countries (England and Wales)?

[Baerboxer]

Just now, RuamRudy said:

I presume you mean countries (England and Wales)?

 

Perhaps he's not sure where the M4, 5 and 6 all start and finish! Gets a bit wet coming over from Belfast though!

[tebee]

We are living in a TV series - that explains a lot !

 

[puipuitom]

8 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Luckily there are still a few left and others who would like to leave the EU. You can have Belarus along with Turkey.

 

Why doesn't the wonderful, caring democratic EU give all EU members the choice to leave the EU. Just a couple of years old but relevant. Probably more want to leave now IMO.

 

https://www.newsweek.com/nearly-half-voters-eight-eu-countries-want-own-brexit-referendum-457412

 

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/europes-current-economy/five-more-countries-want-referendums-to-exit-eu/

art 50 is already a long time open for every EU member state. Till now, only one is using it to commit commercial suicide. 

In NL, 64% do not even want to THINK about leaving the EU. In Catalunya… one this nobody wants to think of: NOT being a EU member state after an independancy. And Salvini of Lega ( North) is competely converted. And thanks to the Brits... this is growing.

[puipuitom]

8 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

That is one of the options. Whatever it is, I hope the UK leaves, so it can get rid if the cancer called Brexit, to return one day as committed member state, accepting our Euro, red passports and straight bananas. 

You forget: forget any privilege, accept Schengen, and right lane traffic. Bye-the-way: I've never seen straight bananas after 41 years in tropical foods.

[malagateddy]

Hopefully..as soon as we can

Leave.  After that, whatever's going to happen will happen, but the rest of the world is sick of this stupid show, so just leave.

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[malagateddy]

R/r..over 1 million scots voted LEAVE..please wakey wakey

Side issue..what bout the lad you know with issues in the Phillys..you paid his rent for 1 month??

I presume you mean countries (England and Wales)?

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[AlexRich]

During the referendum campaign several people highlighted how difficult and damaging it would be to extricate ourselves from the EU, one of the reasons Cameron didn’t stick around to see it through. That view was described as part of “project fear”, but it can now be seen as a pretty reasonable prediction. Failing to attain a majority after the election was another nail in the coffin. The Gina Miller case made it even more difficult for the government to impose a Brexit solution. After that it really didn’t matter who was in charge as we were heading for a softer Brexit. Where we now are was inevitable.

 

You won’t be getting your hard Brexit, and the soft Brexit you will end up with makes the whole project a complete waste of time and taxpayers money. For those that taunt Remainers with “you lost”, is it finally dawning on you that we all lost?

 

 

[puipuitom]

5 hours ago, Sydebolle said:

The UK will definitely prosper by leaving without an EU-deal.

This is the only reason why certain very powerful - May controlling - interests, try  everything possible to derail the Brexit-train. 

Once the UK proved the world (Norway and Switzerland proved it over and over already) that it will do better without the EU - the EU will either come down crashing or even implode - like the German Democratic Republic. Juncker will have to seek a new booze supply and the rest of the lot will be without pre-warmed little cushioned seats in Brussels. 

This is the only reason, why the voters wish has not been executed and everything is delayed.  

If their present government cannot fix the electorates order then the country might have the wrong government.

Norway and Switzerland are defacto EU members, buit not a word to say ( of course.. Sweden & Denmark resp. Germany, Austria, France and Italy will do that for them ) 

[Thairealist]

1 hour ago, vogie said:

What would the leavers be marching for, the 17.4 million referendum thought they had won the right to leave the EU. Now they see that voting is a sham, the only time our governments listen to the people is when the government gets an answer it wants to hear. Democracy has been put on trial and has lost, it will take decades for it to recover, if ever. 

People whether Tory or Labour will never vote again, and why should they when their vote has about as much validity as one piece of paper on a bog roll. I cannot predict the future but I hope the days of both parties are numbered, I still believe that there are many good MPs on both sides of the house, but they are being brought down by the dross that remains

 

 Many people have now completely lost faith in British Democracy. And unless the people’s vote is implemented, it will be lost for ever.

 

 

[AlexRich]

1 minute ago, puipuitom said:

Norway and Switzerland are defacto EU members, buit not a word to say ( of course.. Sweden & Denmark resp. Germany, Austria, France and Italy will do that for them ) 

Sydebolle appears to be advocating the Norway option? But I don’t think he realises that?

[puipuitom]

5 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Big secret: The UK can still do that. 

But.. a no deal is voted away.. order... order... ( Why this bunch of... cannot simple close their mouths when somebody else is speaking ? )  the nays have it...  the  Caroline Spelman  suggestion: 312 to 308 to reject a no-deal Brexit under any circumstances. The "Malthouse compromise" supporting a so-called "managed no-deal Brexit", failed 164–374.

[puipuitom]

3 hours ago, soalbundy said:

She will get her extension, Germany doesn't want a no deal exit.

Look at the import-export transactions: it will hurt Germany, Spain, Belgium, Netherlands, France, Poland Italy, Portugal, Czechia.. But.. the UK by far the most.

[puipuitom]

3 hours ago, Jip99 said:

Not in my opinion........... nor in the opinion of 17m+ others.

Those 2 years have only hardened the sentiment against the EU.

And.. completely democrratic, you ignore the 48,11 % remainers.. Long live democracy in the UK. Time to throw them out of the EU. Even Poland and Hungary are not so bad.

[malagateddy]

Please DO throw us out of your wonderful organisation..can you make it happen tomorrow?

And.. completely democrratic, you ignore the 48,11 % remainers.. Long live democracy in the UK. Time to throw them out of the EU. Even Poland and Hungary are not so bad.

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