U.S. House committee seeks Trump tax returns from IRS

[Jingthing]

2 minutes ago, chokrai said:

Have you forgotten about the Mueller report already? 

No.

Waiting for it to be released.

Right now it's being hoarded by the 45 lackey Attorney General. 

[bristolboy]

19 minutes ago, pedro01 said:

For you guys salivating at the prospect of finding evidence of tax fraud in a tax return - I hate to break it to you - but a tax return is literally the last place on planet earth that you will find evidence of tax fraud. A little common sense should tell you that. 

This is nonsense. Tax cheats are often found out and prosecuted because of lying about the nature of expenses and deductions. Like claiming an expense as payment to a lawyer but it really turns out to be money to buy a porn star's silence. And that's only a minor example.

[Kasane]

19 minutes ago, pedro01 said:

PMSL - this is so funny. The Mueller report didn't turn anything up - so now the idjits on the left want to dig for dirt in his tax returns.

 

For you guys salivating at the prospect of finding evidence of tax fraud in a tax return - I hate to break it to you - but a tax return is literally the last place on planet earth that you will find evidence of tax fraud. A little common sense should tell you that. 

 

All that is happening is that the Dems want his tax returns to dig for anything they can use against him. So if (for example), the bar in one of his hotels purchased Russian Vodka, no doubt they'd claim it proves collusion.

 

It's a classic witch hunt. They have the man, they just don't have a crime. So they dig & dig & dig. The excuses they use "we just want to ensure everyone is the same under the law" are nonsense. They don't believe that, yet they expect the man/woman in the street to believe it.

 

The Dems remind me of Thai politicians - thinking they will automatically be believed, regardless of how hair brained their excuses are.

 

This is going to cost the dems a ton of votes. Can you imagine the next Trump campaign? He can simply point to 4 years of Democrats doing nothing but chasing wild conspiracy theories. Game.Set.Match.

Great. I hope this costs the dems tons of vote, like in the mid-term, for this one termer.

[chokrai]

TDS is alive and well.

 

[sfokevin]

23 minutes ago, lannarebirth said:

 

What if he has a case currently pending before the tax court?

There is no evidence of any case or audit other than ConManDons statements to the press... 

[mikebike]

6 minutes ago, lannarebirth said:

 

And this ability to examine anyone's tax returns; is it an arbitrary abuse of power or must there be some justification for doing so?

 

https://taxpayeradvocate.irs.gov/taxpayer-rights/right-8

I believe Rep. Neal has adequately manufactured justification by framing the request as a “policy” rather than “political” request.

 

Off to the courts.

[bristolboy]

9 minutes ago, lannarebirth said:

 

And this ability to examine anyone's tax returns; is it an arbitrary abuse of power or must there be some justification for doing so?

 

https://taxpayeradvocate.irs.gov/taxpayer-rights/right-8

That law give Congress the absolute right. The taxpayer bill or rights addresses the question of an IRS audit. Not at all the same thing as a Congressional investigation.

[bristolboy]

Anyway, I am hoping against hope that somehow Trump will prevail against the Congress on this. While impeachment is not a realistic hope, I can definitely see Trump bailing out of office to flee the airing of his tax returns.

[lannarebirth]

1 minute ago, bristolboy said:

That law give Congress the absolute right. The taxpayer bill or rights addresses the question of an IRS audit. Not at all the same thing as a Congressional investigation.

 

So, absent evidence warranting an examination of any given citizen's tax returns, it would be an abuse of power. Agreed?

[lannarebirth]

2 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Anyway, I am hoping against hope that somehow Trump will prevail against the Congress on this. While impeachment is not a realistic hope, I can definitely see Trump bailing out of office to flee the airing of his tax returns.

That dog won't hunt IMO. The IRS is already looking at him year after year, and his attorneys will settle for whatever the best they can do in any given year. The only other reason could be shame or embarrassment and those character traits don't seem to loom large in The Donald.

[sfokevin]

7 minutes ago, lannarebirth said:

 

So, absent evidence warranting an examination of any given citizen's tax returns, it would be an abuse of power. Agreed?

Would cancelled checks expensing porn star hush money payments as legal expenses be prima-facie evidence of a crime and warrant investigation?...  

 

Edited April 4, 2019 by sfokevin

[chokrai]

6 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Anyway, I am hoping against hope that somehow Trump will prevail against the Congress on this. While impeachment is not a realistic hope, I can definitely see Trump bailing out of office to flee the airing of his tax returns.

Never going to happen. 

[Jingthing]

Just now, chokrai said:

Never going to happen. 

We shall see.

There is obviously a coverup happening and the American people know that.

Even 45 fans know that. That's why they're defending this corrupt coverup.

Americans may not be the brightest in the world, look who they elected in 2016, but they are capable of learning. 

[lannarebirth]

1 minute ago, sfokevin said:

Would cancelled checks expensing porn star hush money payments as legal expenses be prima-facie evidence of a crime and warrant investigation?...  

It might, but it wouldn't warrant subpeoning someone's tax returns unless they claimed it as a deduction.

[mania]

41 minutes ago, lannarebirth said:

I would suggest, that given what we know about Trump, he is going to "aggressive" in his theories of what taxes he should pay.

Isn't this what all Americans do?

I know I always have. If it is a gray area it is mine unless they tell me otherwise

 

 

 

 

[sfokevin]

6 minutes ago, lannarebirth said:

It might, but it wouldn't warrant subpeoning someone's tax returns unless they claimed it as a deduction.

So every time we look under a rock we find this man has lied to us and your solution seems to be let’s stop turning over the rocks... 

[bristolboy]

Just now, lannarebirth said:

 

So, absent evidence warranting an examination of any given citizen's tax returns, it would be an abuse of power. Agreed?

Since there already is plenty of evidence out there, the question is moot.

[bristolboy]

Just now, lannarebirth said:

That dog won't hunt IMO. The IRS is already looking at him year after year, and his attorneys will settle for whatever the best they can do in any given year. The only other reason could be shame or embarrassment and those character traits don't seem to loom large in The Donald.

I certainly hope you're right.

[mtls2005]

21 minutes ago, lannarebirth said:

but it wouldn't warrant subpeoning someone's tax returns unless they claimed it as a deduction.

 

He switched the Cohen-porn star hush payment account from his personal account to a trump org account - smart move bozo. And as these are attorney retainer fees, or so we're told, then they could be expensed. But if they're payments for other reasons then maybe not so much.

 

Again, he's said many, many, many, many times that he will release his returns once he is out of audit. Of course, he said Mexico would pay for the wall, and the sound windmills make causes cancer, so maybe his word isn't worth much?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited April 4, 2019 by mtls2005

[lannarebirth]

2 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Since there already is plenty of evidence out there, the question is moot.

So, you're charging the IRS with malfeasance? Not that I blame you, I've seen it first hand.

[lannarebirth]

5 minutes ago, sfokevin said:

So every time we look under a rock we find this man has lied to us and your solution seems to be let’s stop turning over the rocks... 

Well, he's a liar. But then you knew that already if you've been alive these past 40 years.

[lannarebirth]

7 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

 

He switched the Cohen-porn star hush payment account from his personal account to a trump org account - smart move bozo. And as these are attorney retainer fees, or so we're told, then they could be expensed. But if they're payments for other reasons then maybe not so much.

 

Again, he's said many, many, many, many times that he will release his returns once he is out of audit. Of course, he said Mexico would pay for the wall, and the sound windmills make causes cancer, so maybe his word isn't worth much?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No, his word isn't worth much. Slow learner?  Anyway, good luck with the investigation. In the meantime come up with a viable candidate to unseat him.

[elmrfudd]

1 hour ago, Tug said:

Thease trumpers are sounding a bit desperate latley

That's hilarious after the week of breathless constant moaning from the tvf progressive cabal after the 3 years of collusion delusion was debunked. 

[elmrfudd]

47 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

No.

Waiting for it to be released.

Right now it's being hoarded by the 45 lackey Attorney General. 

Were holder and lynch lackeys too? 

 

We certainly have some shady actions by them. 

 

Just wondering if you have this same view of other AG. 

[zydeco]

Go ahead and get his records. Too much public interest is now involved for them to remain secret. But while at it, investigate his holdings in ETFs that track the S&P. He of course knows that he has a good part of his fortune tied up in this. No blind trust for Trump. And every day he is out pumping the stock market, sending Kudlow out to talk trade optimism, pressuring the Fed to stop QT and lower rates. All this personally benefits him. And now there is a report on Bloomberg that Trump is going to delay until 2025 any deadlines for his trade deal with China. We have a foreign and domestic policy entirely designed around what benefits the stock market and Trump personally, not what is good for the economy or America's vital interest. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-04-03/u-s-said-to-set-2025-target-for-china-to-fulfill-trade-pledges

Edited April 4, 2019 by zydeco

[pedro01]

47 minutes ago, Kasane said:

Great. I hope this costs the dems tons of vote, like in the mid-term, for this one termer.

Things changed with the nothing-burger Mueller report - Trump led Repubs will win a landslide in 2020.

[Jingthing]

3 minutes ago, elmrfudd said:

Were holder and lynch lackeys too? 

 

We certainly have some shady actions by them. 

 

Just wondering if you have this same view of other AG. 

What about, what about, blah blah blah.

Nice that you're admitting what everyone knows -- that 45 hired to cover for him personally.

[johnnykak]

the mueller report didn't turn anything up the guy says lol. how would we know? because the don and his sidekick barr said so? lol

[lannarebirth]

9 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

What about, what about, blah blah blah.

Nice that you're admitting what everyone knows -- that 45 hired to cover for him personally.

Personally, I think the "what aboutisms" are fair. I mean, a standard has been set, starting with Clinton securities fraud before they ever gained office, P4P, ending with Bill's meeting with Loretta Lynch on an airport tarmac and a whole lot of questionable crap in between. If the opposition party did that you'd be up in arms and rightfully so. Personally, I'm amazed Trump is pulling this stuff off without benefit of the media making excuses for his questionable behaviour.

[mikebike]

51 minutes ago, lannarebirth said:

 

So, absent evidence warranting an examination of any given citizen's tax returns, it would be an abuse of power. Agreed?

Which comes first? Evidence or investigation?

 

When a cop pulls me over citing "observed erratic driving" does he have evidence or a theory? I would suggest he has a cause to "investigate", but not "evidence". Hence the protocol would be: theory, investigation, evidence.