Fight begins over Trump's taxes, lawyer slams Democrats' request

[lannarebirth]

5 hours ago, bristolboy said:

Every president from Jimmy Carter onwards has had no problem releasing their tax returns. What Trump is most likely afraid of revealing is how little tax he has paid in relation to his income.  

Not just that IMO. I think he's worried about how little actual income he has to show. A big part of him selling himself is about how wealthy he is, and I've no doubt he is. But I think most of his wealth is derived from capital appreciation of his properties. Cash flow keeps the debt serviced and equity building but not a whole lot of taxable income at the end of it.

 

 

 

Edited April 6, 2019 by lannarebirth

[farcanell]

10 hours ago, Boon Mee said:

Trump needs to tell them again to go pound sand. 

While he's under audit by the IRS, he's not allowed to release his taxes. 

And yet....

 

11 hours ago, rooster59 said:

The IRS, which is overseen by the U.S. Treasury Department, has said that Trump could release his returns even while under audit.

 

[farcanell]

4 hours ago, Redline said:

No such law-New York State will get them anyway.  He said he would release them remember ????

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/the-mueller-investigation/

All well and good.... but let’s not forget the fact that he’s a pathological liar

[heybruce]

When Trump chose to become President he ceased to be a private citizen.   The right to examine the finances of public officials who can use their position for personal gain is written into law and regulation for many positions.  The law being used in this case was passed following the Teapot Dome scandal to ensure Congress could exercise oversight over the Executive branch of government. 

 

In short, what Congress is doing is legal and sensible.  It also would be unnecessary if Trump had followed established precedent and revealed his tax returns and put his holdings in a blind trust.

[thaicurious]

10 hours ago, Sakeopete said:

This will just add to Trump's witch hunt narrative garnering him more support. 

Really? You mean it won't merely metastasize the truth derangement syndrome already suffered within Trump's basket of deplorables? Because it seems that biohazard is contained.

 

Here's a random google look at any supposed "more support":

 

Published March 27, 2019

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-what-bugs-voters-most-about-taxes-rich-not-paying-enough

"Compared to 2014...an increase in voters...troubled that the rich aren’t paying enough...shift in frustration...not limited to traditional left-leaning groups...whites without a college degree...also increasingly bothered..."

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-3-27-19

"...do you think each of the following should – or should not – be required to release their tax returns?

...Should......The president of the United States 74%"

 

While this does not poll directly the question of forcing a review of Trump's taxes now, it is his precious Fox News polling & reporting that 74% of America (including his 30whateverpercentbase) says the president of the United States of America should show his taxes.

 

Fox News

74%

Good luck with that

[jm91]

12 hours ago, Boon Mee said:

Trump needs to tell them again to go pound sand. 

While he's under audit by the IRS, he's not allowed to release his taxes. 

Your post is pure nonsense. The Idiot Trump can release his tax filings. He chooses not too. Trump is a liar and a cheat. Those who support him..hmm..forum rules forbid me from expressing the basic qualities of the idiot trump supporters.

[Kelsall]

30 minutes ago, jm91 said:

Your post is pure nonsense. The Idiot Trump can release his tax filings. He chooses not too. Trump is a liar and a cheat. Those who support him..hmm..forum rules forbid me from expressing the basic qualities of the idiot trump supporters.

He'll be gone in six years.

[metisdead]

Inflammatory posts and replies have been removed. 

 

[Longcut]

13 hours ago, TGIR said:

What a bunch of B.S.   All of you who are demanding to see the President's taxes will be really sorry to hear that regardless of what gets given to the Congress, you will not see ANY of it.   So, since we're not going to see any of Trump's return, why don't your all post a copy of your very own Tax Returns for the past six years..........right here on Facebook.   Bet you're not so willing to do that are you?

Has this New Democratic Congress done anything worth a crap since they got into office? I can't see that they have accomplished a thing yet that benefits the country. They keep this up and 2020 will have a new group of Republicans in the House.

[Skeptic7]

Nothing to hide, then just man up, stop the BS and release them. Should be asking for all years. 

[Berkshire]

7 hours ago, Trouble said:

Trump may indeed need to tell them to pound sand but not because he is under audit.  Income taxes are private and unless the IRS finds fraud and brings charges in court, income tax records are between the IRS and the individual.  Neither Congress nor the public has a "right" to see them.

You Trump supporters are just like Trump himself....you keep repeating the same lies.  The law says the Chairman of the Ways and Means Committee can request the tax returns of any US citizen AND the IRS "shall provide it." 

[Chomper Higgot]

While Trump is trying to delay the release perhaps the IRS can answer this question.

 

Are Trump’s taxes currently being audited and if not when was the last time they were audited?

[Tug]

4 hours ago, Kelsall said:

He'll be gone in six years.

Oh no I think his sentence will be much much longer than that

[Paul Henry]

No way would the IRS take over two years to carry out an audit. Just more of Trumps BULLsh--!!!!!

[thaicurious]

2 hours ago, Longcut said:

Has this New Democratic Congress done anything worth a crap since they got into office? I can't see that they have accomplished a thing yet that benefits the country. They keep this up and 2020 will have a new group of Republicans in the House.

Not sure what your rant's about but unless some Russian has sneaked into the White House and changed without our noticing Article 1 of the Constitution, there is no "New Democratic Congress".

 

There is currently newly elected Democratic leadership in the House of Representatives which is the lower chamber of Congress.

 

There is currently continuing Republican leadership in the Senate, the upper chamber of Congress.

 

Here are links to some of the accomplishments of this Congress in its still short three months in session.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_acts_of_the_116th_United_States_Congress

"The list of acts of the 116th United States Congress includes all Acts of ... the 116th United States Congress, which began on January 3, 2019....

 

...All acts of this Congress signed into law were signed by President Donald Trump. The 116th Congress has enacted 9 statutes thus far."

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bills_in_the_116th_United_States_Congress

"The following list includes proposed federal laws introduced during the 116th United States Congress. This Congress began on January 3, 2019..."

 

While we're at it and since you brought it up, let's look at Trump's accomplishments in the same period. According to https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/03/04/president-trump-has-made-false-or-misleading-claims-over-days/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.d608987f96e3

"Trump has made 9,014 false or misleading claims over 773 days"

 

Hmmm, so during the 116th Congress so-far-3-month-long session the GOP Deceiver in Chief has accomplished lying to the American public approximately one thousand forty nine times.

 

He keeps this up and 2020 will have a new president in the White House.

 

that, and: SHOW US YOUR TAXES

[ballpoint]

[Longcut]

2 hours ago, thaicurious said:

Not sure what your rant's about but unless some Russian has sneaked into the White House and changed without our noticing Article 1 of the Constitution, there is no "New Democratic Congress".

 

There is currently newly elected Democratic leadership in the House of Representatives which is the lower chamber of Congress.

 

There is currently continuing Republican leadership in the Senate, the upper chamber of Congress.

 

Here are links to some of the accomplishments of this Congress in its still short three months in session.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_acts_of_the_116th_United_States_Congress

"The list of acts of the 116th United States Congress includes all Acts of ... the 116th United States Congress, which began on January 3, 2019....

 

...All acts of this Congress signed into law were signed by President Donald Trump. The 116th Congress has enacted 9 statutes thus far."

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bills_in_the_116th_United_States_Congress

"The following list includes proposed federal laws introduced during the 116th United States Congress. This Congress began on January 3, 2019..."

 

While we're at it and since you brought it up, let's look at Trump's accomplishments in the same period. According to https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/03/04/president-trump-has-made-false-or-misleading-claims-over-days/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.d608987f96e3

"Trump has made 9,014 false or misleading claims over 773 days"

 

Hmmm, so during the 116th Congress so-far-3-month-long session the GOP Deceiver in Chief has accomplished lying to the American public approximately one thousand forty nine times.

 

He keeps this up and 2020 will have a new president in the White House.

 

that, and: SHOW US YOUR TAXES

Do you feel better now?

[bristolboy]

25 minutes ago, Longcut said:

Do you feel better now?

When confronted with fact you can't refute, you try and make it personal. You've got nothing.

[thaicurious]

1 hour ago, Longcut said:

Do you feel better now?

If you now understand that by our Constitution the American Congress consists of a bicameral legislative assemblage, not voting on matters of public interest as a single group but as separately deliberating bodies, mooting your unsubstantiated smear campaign against the American public which saw fit at this moment in history to elect into power Democrats to perform the job of policy making and oversight badly done or left undone by Republican House of Representative predecessors, then, yes, I feel a little better about that.

 

Were you and your chief deplorable to realize he's not a Russian Czar but a fluke of a president subject to the checks and balances of equal branches of government including the newly elected Democratic leadership of the House that will rightfully continue to investigate the pathological lying crap out of him, then, yeah, I'd feel even better. Thank you for asking.

[TopDeadSenter]

Trump and Russia, pure proven nonsense. Trump taxes, irrelevant and desperate nonsense. 

 

This silliness is all going to backfire so spectacularly. Remember the awful behavior over poor Kavanaugh, and then Biden copped the fall out. Some time in the future(probably at least 6 years from now) there will be a Democrat president, and he will suffer the mother of all witch hunts into himself, his family, all known associates for any crime, real or imaginary that he may have committed, and any sexual relations he may have had, whether real or imaginary. This will be the new normal after the Trump farcical investigations. And I doubt many people can compose themselves as well as Trump can under pressure. Anyway, it's going to be hilarious seeing them getting beaten by the rod they made. Just remember who started it and why. A total inability to accept electoral defeat in what was considered a shoe-in.

 

[metisdead]

An off topic trolling post and the replies have been removed. 

[heybruce]

20 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Trump and Russia, pure proven nonsense. Trump taxes, irrelevant and desperate nonsense. 

 

This silliness is all going to backfire so spectacularly. Remember the awful behavior over poor Kavanaugh, and then Biden copped the fall out. Some time in the future(probably at least 6 years from now) there will be a Democrat president, and he will suffer the mother of all witch hunts into himself, his family, all known associates for any crime, real or imaginary that he may have committed, and any sexual relations he may have had, whether real or imaginary. This will be the new normal after the Trump farcical investigations. And I doubt many people can compose themselves as well as Trump can under pressure. Anyway, it's going to be hilarious seeing them getting beaten by the rod they made. Just remember who started it and why. A total inability to accept electoral defeat in what was considered a shoe-in.

 

So much to question and ridicule in this post, but I will limit myself to:

 

"And I doubt many people can compose themselves as well as Trump can under pressure."

 

I don't know where to begin, other than to question your understanding of the meaning of "composure".  Do you think composure means a knee-jerk lashing out with easily disproven lies at all criticism?

 

" the law is "100 percent on my side" ".  That's a good one. 

 

(f) Disclosure to Committees of Congress(1) Committee on Ways and Means, Committee on Finance, and Joint Committee on Taxation Upon written request from the chairman of the Committee on Ways and Means of the House of Representatives, the chairman of the Committee on Finance of the Senate, or the chairman of the Joint Committee on Tax-ation, the Secretary shall furnish such committee with any return or return information specified in such request, except that any re-turn or return information which can be associated with, or otherwise identify, directly or indirectly, a particular taxpayer shall be furnished to such committee only when sitting in closed executive session unless such taxpayer otherwise consents in writing to such disclosure.   https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/USCODE-2011-title26/pdf/USCODE-2011-title26-subtitleF-chap61-subchapB-sec6103.pdf

[riclag]

17 hours ago, heybruce said:

When Trump chose to become President he ceased to be a private citizen.   The right to examine the finances of public officials who can use their position for personal gain is written into law and regulation for many positions.  The law being used in this case was passed following the Teapot Dome scandal to ensure Congress could exercise oversight over the Executive branch of government. 

 

In short, what Congress is doing is legal and sensible.  It also would be unnecessary if Trump had followed established precedent and revealed his tax returns and put his holdings in a blind trust.

Nonsense, always a Citizen first, President second! IRS can't touch him,its all hatred and politics

Edited April 7, 2019 by riclag

[Chomper Higgot]

55 minutes ago, riclag said:

Nonsense, always a Citizen first, President second! IRS can't touch him,its all hatred and politics

It’s not the IRS that will ‘touch him’.It’s Congress, SDNY and the American electorate.

 

In that order.

[riclag]

In the tea pot they had a scandal or reason to exercise over sight

 As POTUS Mr. Trump doesn't have to show his taxes 

Congresstional Dem oversight  blew their reason (no collution, No russian interference 

[Chomper Higgot]

15 minutes ago, riclag said:

In the tea pot they had a scandal or reason to exercise over sight

 As POTUS Mr. Trump doesn't have to show his taxes 

Congresstional Dem oversight  blew their reason (no collution, No russian interference 

Congress has a reason to exercise oversight.

 

You’ll find it in the Constitution.

[riclag]

 

lol I don't know how my name appeared in that quote from HB 

Edited April 7, 2019 by riclag

[riclag]

18 hours ago, heybruce said:

In short, what Congress is doing is legal and sensible.  It also would be unnecessary if Trump had followed established precedent and revealed his tax returns and put his holdings in a blind trust.

 talking about a established precedent ,Mr. Trump was given a  suggestion,not demanded to divest ! There are no laws for a POTUS to adhere to precedent in business divestiture in fact the appearance of conflict of interest might come to the fore front,the POTUS isn't required by law to steer clear of C of I. 

 

[riclag]

Many Presidential and Government official privileges  must be addressed in 2024

Not midstream during a current administration,its not ethical

[helpisgood]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It’s not the IRS that will ‘touch him’.It’s Congress, SDNY and the American electorate.

 

In that order.

Agreed!  As expected, good points by Chomper.

 

But, let's not forget New York State's Attorney General, who has accused Trump of misconduct concerning his "charity."  For those less familiar with American govt. and laws, New York State is separate from SDNY and the rest of the US federal govt.

 

Here's a link for more details regarding a case that includes a requested 5.6 million USD penalty by the AG of NY from Trump:

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-03-15/trump-should-pay-5-6-million-penalty-over-charity-n-y-says

 

I guess there are even swamps in New York, too.  So, it's not just the fed's IRS, but the State of NY as well. 

Edited April 7, 2019 by helpisgood