Went to the waterfalls for Songkran but only Thais get in free, not foreigners.

[Pilotman]

1 minute ago, mauGR1 said:

Sorry mate, but it's not about $1 , it's about the principle.

Paying a different price means feeding racism and xenophobia, i'd rather throw my money in the sea.

what principle is that then?  To  allow access to the Nation's attractions at a low price for its citizens, while ensuring that the attractions remain viable by charging a higher rate for none citizens ? Sounds sensible and socially responsible  to me. 

[Pilotman]

2 minutes ago, mngmn said:

Bad guys out good guys in aye? Enjoy your stay "good guy".

I will 

[MeePeeMai]

I too am against it. 

 

I think it was originally intended for the bus loads of foreign tourists that come here on vacation.

 

Who's to say that the cashier(s) are being honest and not just pocketing the extra money?

 

When I enter places like Phu Rua or other national parks I am charged 10 times what my wife is charged (200 baht vs 20 baht or 400 vs 40 etc).  Who's to say that the cashiers don't just ring up an entry for two Thai nationals and then pocket the extra "falang" money?

 

Could be a good racket for dishonest cashier(s) in my opinion and should be discontinued for folks living here (with a Thai driving license) and especially for those with a Thai wife and kids (as they have a family to support).

 

How do those children feel growing up knowing that their Daddy (or Mommy) has to pay 10x extra to get in just because he was born in another country?

 

I'd feel better paying the same entry fee but later dropping some cash into a donation bin (for upkeep and maintenance of the park) hoping that the money is not pilfered by unscrupulous individuals.  I'd personally drop more into the park donation bin than they get out of my 10x farang entry fee.

 

 

[Kieran00001]

39 minutes ago, uhuh said:

Most Thais don't pay income tax at all or just a nominal amount

 

Surely you are not suggesting that the lowest earners shouldn't get the discount because the rich have paid in more?

[Odysseus123]

6 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

Surely you are not suggesting that the lowest earners shouldn't get the discount because the rich have paid in more?

Sorry..I am a little perplexed..

Are you (annd your confederates here) saying that the wealthier Thais should pay more for entrance into the national parks?

 

..and that you (and your confederates) think that might be a good thing?

Edited April 14, 2019 by Odysseus123

[jackdd]

11 minutes ago, MeePeeMai said:

Who's to say that the cashier(s) are being honest and not just pocketing the extra money?

You get a ticket (once i got 40 Thai children tickets instead of two adult foreigner tickets, probably they were out of other tickets) when you pay, so if they want to pocket the money there would have to be at least two persons involved.

[mauGR1]

1 minute ago, Pilotman said:

what principle is that then?  To  allow access to the Nation's attractions at a low price for its citizens, while ensuring that the attractions remain viable by charging a higher rate for none citizens ? Sounds sensible and socially responsible  to me. 

No, i disagree, as i said, you are feeding racism and xenophobia, you are part of the problem if you ask me.

[Odysseus123]

8 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

No, i disagree, as i said, you are feeding racism and xenophobia, you are part of the problem if you ask me.

Many of them are,have always been,and will continue to be "part of the problem"

 

 

[Despondent Foreigner]

1 hour ago, Pilotman said:

too over sensitive mate. 

Nothing wrong with being offended by racism and xenophobia. Where would we be if middle america thought black people were being 'too oversensitive' during the civil rights movement of the 1960's? Stuck somewhere in the 1700's, that's where!

 

Racism is racism, regardless if it is black/white or whatever color person is experiencing it. It creates hardships and ill feelings for all involved. 

Edited April 14, 2019 by Despondent Foreigner

[mauGR1]

20 minutes ago, Odysseus123 said:

Many of them are,have always been,and will continue to be "part of the problem"

 

 

I think Thailand should stop the double pricing for its own good.

[marcusarelus]

3 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

I think Thailand should stop the double pricing for its own good.

Talked to a Thai guy he said they would stop when Disney World stopped. 

[RobMuir]

Don’t understand why his bitching. they were going to let his whole family in for free. Some people are never happy.

 

Duel pricing happens in every country.

[mauGR1]

21 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

Talked to a Thai guy he said they would stop when Disney World stopped. 

Yeah, sure you did.

[Despondent Foreigner]

5 minutes ago, RobMuir said:

Duel pricing happens in every country.

Could you provide some examples please?

 

As you said 'every country' I specifically would like some examples from westernized countries, preferably from: Australia, New Zealand, USA, UK, Denmark, Norway & Germany.

 

Thanks in advance!

[Pilotman]

Just now, Despondent Foreigner said:

Could you provide some examples please?

 

As you said 'every country' I specifically would like some examples from westernized countries, preferably from: Australia, New Zealand, USA, UK, Denmark, Norway & Germany.

 

Thanks in advance!

In the UK many attractions and transport firms, including bus and rail,  theatres and cinemas, offer a lower entry price for those on a UK state pension and those on UK benefits, including work related benefits.  By definition these are always UK citizens, or those with 'indefinite Leave to remain' in the UK, a designation not available to expats in LOS.  

[Odysseus123]

2 minutes ago, Pilotman said:

In the UK many attractions and transport firms, including bus and rail,  theatres and cinemas, offer a lower entry price for those on a UK state pension and those on UK benefits, including work related benefits.  By definition these are always UK citizens, or those with 'indefinite Leave to remain' in the UK, a designation not available to expats in LOS.  

Those are pensions.

 

Are you referring to pensioner discounts and equating them to Thai double pricing?

[Despondent Foreigner]

8 minutes ago, Pilotman said:

In the UK many attractions and transport firms, including bus and rail,  theatres and cinemas, offer a lower entry price for those on a UK state pension and those on UK benefits, including work related benefits.  By definition these are always UK citizens, or those with 'indefinite Leave to remain' in the UK, a designation not available to expats in LOS.  

Not even remotely comparable to what I experienced today, but try again if you like!

Edited April 14, 2019 by Despondent Foreigner

[richard_smith237]

There are some fundamentally flawed arguments being presented trying to dress up Double Charging as something other than what it is... 

 

It is not comparable to pensioner discounts. 

It is not comparable to residents discounts.

It is not an issue of money, the money amount is irrelevant to the principle. 

 

When someone is charged extra because they are not from a specific nation the policy is xenophobic.

 

Other fundamentally flawed arguments listed on this forum: 

It happens in other countries. So does kidnapping ! - the fact that it happens elsewhere doesn't make it ok. Using such an argument is flawed.

 

'If you don't like it go home' was one argument used earlier, again, highly flawed, it brings nothing to the debate and quite clearly people wouldn't go home because of a silly double pricing policy. 

 

 

The fact of the matter is that when people are Double Charged it leaves a poor impression especially when that double charged is based on nationality. Especially when the excuses for Double Charging are extremely flawed.  

 

A Westerner Working in Thailand paying taxes should not be double charged at parks.

A Westerner Retiree on anyone on a Non-Immigration Visa should not be double charged at parks.

 

I can't even see a very weak justification for Tourists to be Double Charged for without these very tourists these attractions / parks etc would have significantly less revenue - its akin to biting the hand that feeds you. 

 

 

Now... this Double Charging is not a show stopper... It doesn't stop me from going to Khao Yai or Koh Samet etc...  But, it does leave a poor impression when I'm charged 10x what my Wife is Charged.

 

This also happened to me a Chiang Mai Night Safari - traveling with Thai friends. 

The staff at the gate tried to double charged me. I showed my Thai Driving License and they still wanted to Double Charge me. My friend showed his Police ID and told them it is Illegal for a Private Company to Double Charge foreigners and requested to speak with the Supervisor (Double Charging is actually against the law in Thailand except for a decree which permits double charging at parks) - I was let in for the Thai Price but they were still trying to stiff all the other tourists. 

 

They try the same at Safari World in Bangkok, but they let foreigners with a Thai Driving License in for the Thai Price. 

 

Ultimately - the whole idea of Double Pricing is wrong.... There are no excuses which can dress this up. 

 

 

[marcusarelus]

36 minutes ago, Odysseus123 said:

Those are pensions.

 

Are you referring to pensioner discounts and equating them to Thai double pricing?

Disney World has different prices for natives of Florida. That's what the Thai guy told me. 

Edited April 14, 2019 by marcusarelus

[Odysseus123]

2 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

Disney World has different prices for natives of Florida. That's what the Thai guy told me. 

Please...

 

See the excellent post of Richard Smith (above)

 

I am done with the level of denial about this topic-or any other,for that matter.

Edited April 14, 2019 by Odysseus123

[marcusarelus]

34 minutes ago, Despondent Foreigner said:

Not even remotely comparable to what I experienced today, but try again if you like!

Disney World asks for a Florida Drivers license and you get a lower price.  I think that's the same isin't it? 

[Despondent Foreigner]

7 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

There are some fundamentally flawed arguments being presented trying to dress up Double Charging as something other than what it is... 

 

It is not comparable to pensioner discounts. 

It is not comparable to residents discounts.

It is not an issue of money, the money amount is irrelevant to the principle. 

 

When someone is charged extra because they are not from a specific nation the policy is xenophobic.

 

Other fundamentally flawed arguments listed on this forum: 

It happens in other countries. So does kidnapping ! - the fact that it happens elsewhere doesn't make it ok. Using such an argument is flawed.

 

'If you don't like it go home' was one argument used earlier, again, highly flawed, it brings nothing to the debate and quite clearly people wouldn't go home because of a silly double pricing policy. 

 

 

The fact of the matter is that when people are Double Charged it leaves a poor impression especially when that double charged is based on nationality. Especially when the excuses for Double Charging are extremely flawed.  

 

A Westerner Working in Thailand paying taxes should not be double charged at parks.

A Westerner Retiree on anyone on a Non-Immigration Visa should not be double charged at parks.

 

I can't even see a very weak justification for Tourists to be Double Charged for without these very tourists these attractions / parks etc would have significantly less revenue - its akin to biting the hand that feeds you. 

 

 

Now... this Double Charging is not a show stopper... It doesn't stop me from going to Khao Yai or Koh Samet etc...  But, it does leave a poor impression when I'm charged 10x what my Wife is Charged.

 

This also happened to me a Chiang Mai Night Safari - traveling with Thai friends. 

The staff at the gate tried to double charged me. I showed my Thai Driving License and they still wanted to Double Charge me. My friend showed his Police ID and told them it is Illegal for a Private Company to Double Charge foreigners and requested to speak with the Supervisor (Double Charging is actually against the law in Thailand except for a decree which permits double charging at parks) - I was let in for the Thai Price but they were still trying to stiff all the other tourists. 

 

They try the same at Safari World in Bangkok, but they let foreigners with a Thai Driving License in for the Thai Price. 

 

Ultimately - the whole idea of Double Pricing is wrong.... There are no excuses which can dress this up. 

 

 

Thanks Richard. Some brilliant observations there. It's nice to read some informed debate rather than the dismissive, taciturn posts that have been spewed out by some members. You are a credit to the site!

Edited April 14, 2019 by Despondent Foreigner

[Despondent Foreigner]

1 minute ago, marcusarelus said:

Disney World asks for a Florida Drivers license and you get a lower price.  I think that's the same isin't it? 

No, it isn't.

[Kadilo]

I encountered one of these double pricing scenarios once visiting some Thai version of Madame Tussaud’s with some Thais. Coincidently I saw a bar adjacent so made a point of letting them know my indignation at this atrocious policy. 

 

Couldn’t have given a hoot really but win win.  

 

 

[marcusarelus]

2 minutes ago, Odysseus123 said:

Please...

With the Florida Resident Discover Disney ticket offer, you can visit for approximately $49 (plus tax) per day with a 4-day pass. 

 

You're welcome.

[marcusarelus]

Just now, Despondent Foreigner said:

No, it isn't.

They charge Brits more than Florida residents.  I think that's the same.

[Kadilo]

1 hour ago, Despondent Foreigner said:

Nothing wrong with being offended by racism and xenophobia. Where would we be if middle america thought black people were being 'too oversensitive' during the civil rights movement of the 1960's? Stuck somewhere in the 1700's, that's where!

 

 

I’m sure once you explained that to your kids they fully understood why they didnt go. 

Edited April 14, 2019 by Kadilo

[Despondent Foreigner]

6 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

They charge Brits more than Florida residents.  I think that's the same.

Okay, let's say for a moment that they charge brits more than florida locals, does that make it right? Why can't Thailand lead the way and show they are all about equality instead of extortion? Why not set the good example by charging everyone the same fee, regardless of nationality?

 

Many countries around the world do not operate a two tier pricing system. The choice of which way to go is up to Thailand.

 

 

[marcusarelus]

1 minute ago, Despondent Foreigner said:

Okay, let's say for a moment that they charge brits more than florida locals, does that make it right? Why can't Thailand lead the way and show they are all about equality instead of extortion? Why not set the good example by charging everyone the same fee, regardless of nationality?

 

Many countries around the world do not operate a two tier pricing system. The choice of which way to go is up to Thailand.

 

 

"Disney brings back ticket deal for Florida residents"  Google it.  It is marketing.  Thais are giving natives a price break just like Disney is.  Extortion?  Look up the definition. 

 

You are barking up the wrong tree. 

[CharlieH]

Is it really charging more to the foreigner or giving a discount to Thais ?

 

If the price is 200 for foreigners and 100 for Thais is that double price or a 50% discount ?