Tagged Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 9 minutes ago, fredwiggy said: I never jump to conclusions. I'm stating things as they are. People have free will to do whatever they want. If ordered to do something, that's fear of reprisal. They can choose to walk away. If you join the military, you're taught to kill. It doesn't mean you have to aim to kill. Only from fear and a dictatorship, when you're forced to do evil, will free will be cancelled. It doesn't mean you want to do something wrong, it's because out of fear, you are being forced. In my younger days I studied marketing, now in my recent days out interests "studied" social media, there is no free will, sorry, you might think there is, but so many things leading you on your way trough life. Quite simple things also actually. As long you believe, good for you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tagged Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 4 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said: Yes. They wanted to go. I joined up during the Vietnam war I did a trade and didn't go there, but everyone else on my basic joined up because they wanted to go there. Oh, yes, and why do you think they wanted to? War heroes stories and movies? John Wayne characters? War against communism, lost hope for future, It sticks deeper than just signing up becsuse they think it is a good thing to kill commies. I truly believed you had done some self realation studies, and knew better of all in here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tagged Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 12 minutes ago, Tagged said: Is that a proof of free will? Thats what you like to think! And that what they want you to feel and think as well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 6 minutes ago, Tagged said: In my younger days I studied marketing, now in my recent days out interests "studied" social media, there is no free will, sorry, you might think there is, but so many things leading you on your way trough life. Quite simple things also actually. As long you believe, good for you Rubbish. I exercise free will every day, all day long. I exercise free will just by getting up. I'd rather stay in bed all day, and nothing is stopping me. Now, if you are talking about something like being conscripted and sent to war, that's different but we can still refuse and go to jail, which is a free will choice. Shortly I'm going to exercise free will and close my computer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredwiggy Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 Just now, Tagged said: In my younger days I studied marketing, now in my recent days out interests "studied" social media, there is no free will, sorry, you might think there is, but so many things leading you on your way trough life. Quite simple things also actually. As long you believe, good for you There is free will, unless you are in a dictatorship. Even then, you can choose your actions. Tell me how you have no free will. Anyone can choose to do whatever they want. Like I said before, fear is what makes some not want to make that choice. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredwiggy Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 Just now, Tagged said: Oh, yes, and why do you think they wanted to? War heroes stories and movies? John Wayne characters? War against communism, lost hope for future, It sticks deeper than just signing up becsuse they think it is a good thing to kill commies. I truly believed you had done some self realation studies, and knew better of all in here. Some go to war to kill. Some go to fight for peace, and to help other countries that are in a bad place. Some like to be heroes. Some were drafted and had no choice except to say no and hide. Even if they were arrested for breaking the law, they still made a choice. If they went to war, some chose not to kill, as the hero in Hacksaw Ridge, Desmond Doss did. They wanted to court martial him, but he fought and won, and became a hero because of it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 6 minutes ago, Tagged said: Oh, yes, and why do you think they wanted to? War heroes stories and movies? John Wayne characters? War against communism, lost hope for future, It sticks deeper than just signing up becsuse they think it is a good thing to kill commies. I truly believed you had done some self realation studies, and knew better of all in here. Wanted to kill commies 55555555555555555555555555555555 They went because it was an adventure, something different, something exciting, something better than the alternative. They knew it involved killing or being killed but the chances of dying were not high. Decades of nursing gave me some insight into self and psych, but I hardly consider myself "better" than all in ( sic ) here. I also read a lot of psych based books, some of which were better than others. Pity I didn't learn that marriage is not a good idea before throwing my life away for a worthless woman, but if your opinion has merit it is that the little head guides much of our lives. Just as well not everyone considers their lives set in stone. A life of school, work, marriage, kids, divorce and retirement does not await all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauGR1 Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 58 minutes ago, VincentRJ said: Are you saying that you are subservient to an imaginary alien in outer space. LOL if you are. ???? Really!! I think you mean that only humans can conceptualize what good and bad means, because of our capacity for abstract thought. In practice, 'good' is usually related to the survival and prosperity of the individual or group, and that which is perceived as a threat to one's survival, or the group's survival, is considered to be 'bad'. This applies to all animals and humans. Most animals will kill to protect their offspring and/or territory, and/or feed themselves, and/or become the dominant male in a group by killing another male competitor. However, because humans are better organized, in larger groups and with larger brains and better skills, they can, and do kill with much greater efficiency and ferocity, in order to expand their territory and power, and/or defend the group from invaders. All the wars throughout the history of human civilization demonstrate this instinctual characteristic of the human animal. Disgusting! We are the worst of all animals (apart from a few of us who are truly insightful ???? ) I am glad that finally you understood that is not religion the cause of all evil.☺ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tagged Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 (edited) You guys can practice your free thought of free willas much you want, I know you dont! Cant stop me from thinking that. Is my right, and my free will God help you all! Not even god have free will! Edited August 4, 2020 by Tagged 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauGR1 Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Tagged said: You guys can practice your free thought of free willas much you want, I know you dont! Cant stop me from thinking that. Is my right, and my free will God help you all! Not even god have free will! So you have free will, but God doesn't, oh the human mind is amazing ☺ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tagged Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 4 minutes ago, mauGR1 said: So you have free will, but God doesn't, oh the human mind is amazing ☺ I never said I have free will! Nobody have, thats my statement! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredwiggy Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 Just now, Tagged said: I never said I have free will! Nobody have, thats my statement! You guys can practice your free thought of free willas much you want, I know you dont! Cant stop me from thinking that. Is my right, and my free will God help you all! Not even god have free will! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauGR1 Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, Tagged said: I never said I have free will! Nobody have, thats my statement! I partly agree with the fact that "free will" is not always free, but "free will" it's a relative concept. Yet, in your post you said: " is my right and my free will". Sorry to point that out, btw, you have gone from denying the existence of God, to knowing him so well that now you're saying he doesn't have a free will... but no worries, as they say, contradictions are a symptom of intelligence ☺ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tagged Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, mauGR1 said: I partly agree with the fact that "free will" is not always free, but "free will" it's a relative concept. Yet, in your post you said: " is my right and my free will". Sorry to point that out, btw, you have gone from denying the existence of God, to knowing him so well that now you're saying he doesn't have a free will... but no worries, as they say, contradictions are a symptom of intelligence ☺ I never stated there is no god or gods! What I have been clear about, is no human knows him or know what he want, still a creator is bound by physical laws. It is not that complicated is it? Edited August 4, 2020 by Tagged Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tagged Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, fredwiggy said: You guys can practice your free thought of free will as much you want, I know you dont! Cant stop me from thinking that. Is my right, and my free will God help you all! Not even god have free will! Irony Edited August 4, 2020 by Tagged Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauGR1 Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 3 hours ago, Tagged said: I never stated there is no god or gods! What I have been clear about, is no human knows him or know what he want, still a creator is bound by physical laws. It is not that complicated is it? Ok, I had the wrong impression then. Actually yours is an interesting point. Personally, I think that a creator can be subject to the physical forces, but who created those physical forces ? Another point is, if we can understand some of the physical laws which rule the universe, in fact we can understand some aspect of God. Personally, the more I look into it, the more I am sure of an intelligent design at work. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tagged Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, mauGR1 said: Ok, I had the wrong impression then. Actually yours is an interesting point. Personally, I think that a creator can be subject to the physical forces, but who created those physical forces ? Another point is, if we can understand some of the physical laws which rule the universe, in fact we can understand some aspect of God. Personally, the more I look into it, the more I am sure of an intelligent design at work. And we are back to "Who created,,,,,,,, the creator(s) Must have been Tor! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauGR1 Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 8 minutes ago, Tagged said: And we are back to "Who created,,,,,,,, the creator(s) Must have been Tor! Well, as I said a zillion posts ago, I am a polytheist, and I am convinced that monotheism is just too simplistic, and, in the past,politically convenient for the empires to divide and conquer.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tagged Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, mauGR1 said: Well, as I said a zillion posts ago, I am a polytheist, and I am convinced that monotheism is just too simplistic, and, in the past,politically convenient for the empires to divide and conquer.. And we are back to the most essential word in history Belief 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yodsak Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 On 8/3/2020 at 12:22 PM, thaibeachlovers said: and where did the sun come from? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post thaibeachlovers Posted August 5, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 5, 2020 18 hours ago, Tagged said: I never stated there is no god or gods! What I have been clear about, is no human knows him or know what he want, still a creator is bound by physical laws. It is not that complicated is it? If the creator can't make the physical laws the creator would not be all powerful, and the point of God is that God is all powerful. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 14 hours ago, Tagged said: And we are back to "Who created,,,,,,,, the creator(s) Must have been Tor! The unsolvable mystery. Where did God come from to create life the universe and everything? Even if one does not believe in God, where did everything in the universe come from? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tagged Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 (edited) 26 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said: The unsolvable mystery. Where did God come from to create life the universe and everything? Even if one does not believe in God, where did everything in the universe come from? Yes, so then the most important will be Be good, do your best, respect your mother earth. Some other will say mother and father, but for me Mother earth. The closest we can come to god is trough her! Edited August 5, 2020 by Tagged Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 5 minutes ago, Tagged said: Yes, so then the most important will be Be good, do your best, respect your mother earth. Some other will say mother and father, but for me Mother earth. The closest we can come to god is trough her! God created the world, therefore the world is God. Gaia is IMO another word for God. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivor bigun Posted August 5, 2020 Author Share Posted August 5, 2020 I think God must have sent me to earth to create this thread ,i cant believe it is still going ,but i am enjoying reading the posts ,so carry on . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tagged Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said: God created the world, therefore the world is God. Gaia is IMO another word for God. Can you accept mother if I call her that ? ???? my preference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sunmaster Posted August 5, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted August 5, 2020 (edited) Things that can be created have a beginning and an end and are subject to time. God or the "energy" on the other hand is another level, beyond time, and is therefore considered without a beginning or end. It makes no sense to ask who or what created God. God is the Absolute and infinite principle that always was and always will be. Wrapping our heads around this is what creates so many misunderstandings. Edited August 5, 2020 by Sunmaster 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tagged Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Sunmaster said: Things that can be created have a beginning and an end and are subject to time. God or the "energy" on the other hand is another level, beyond time, and is therefore considered without a beginning or end. It makes no sense to ask who or what created God. God is the Absolute and infinite principle that always was and always will be. Wrapping our heads around this is what creates so many misunderstandings. Good you know! Im also concluded and fall to rest happy knowing I do not know! Still interested to read and pay attention to myself and my surroundings, but not searching anymore! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunmaster Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, Tagged said: Good you know! Im also concluded and fall to rest happy knowing I do not know! Still interested to read and pay attention to myself and my surroundings, but not searching anymore! I don't "know" from direct experience...I'm not a buddha. But based on my experience and from what I've learned from those who were buddha-like, this is the explanation that makes the most sense to me. I know I will never fully know, but I also know I will die trying. Edited August 5, 2020 by Sunmaster 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tagged Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 49 minutes ago, Sunmaster said: I know I will never fully know, but I also know I will die trying. It is not extreme sport, so please do not try to hard ???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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