Do you believe in God and why

[fredwiggy]

1 minute ago, oldhippy said:

Very funny.

 

Now please answer the question:

Did those death babies get a free pass? Then why did they need to be born and die? They might very well have grown up to become treacharous atheists that would deserve to burn in hell.

All children that die before the age of reason, before they are old enough to differentiate between good and evil, will go to heaven..............https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/do-all-infants-go-to-heaven/

[Leaver]

9 minutes ago, Tagged said:

I have no idea of muslims doing that more than christians, but sick people they are! Horrible that they do not understand what they are doing is horrible wrong against young children. 

Women will be legally able to drive a car soon, and if they are lucky, they may even be allowed to go to a football match soon.

[oldhippy]

9 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

It is what it is.

If you are interested to clear what it seems to be a very confused view on the physical reality, you should start from accepting the physical reality.

Btw, I asked you last year or so, and you carefully avoided to answer; "

if you don't believe in the existence of God, how can you blame him" ?

Something doesn't add up methinks ☺

QUOTE:

if you don't believe in the existence of God, how can you blame him" ?

Something doesn't add up methinks ☺

 

I can not answer for transam (he is on my ignore list anyway), but since god does not exist, I do not blame god for anything.

I just denounce those who believe in non existing gods.

But as long as they don't impose their views about life choices, they are harmless and sometimes even a source of entertainment.

Unfortunately, believers have had throughout the centuries a tendency to impose their views - on non believers and different believers alike.

 

[Peter Denis]

17 minutes ago, oldhippy said:

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Unfortunately, believers have had throughout the centuries a tendency to impose their views - on non believers and different believers alike.

 

The latest variant being the Believers in Mass Vaccination, wanting to enforce it on everyone even those with genuine concerns about the benefits and approach.

This discussion is raging in several threads on the Forum now, and as usual intolerance of different views raises its ugly head.

[oldhippy]

8 minutes ago, Peter Denis said:

The latest variant being the Believers in Mass Vaccination, wanting to enforce it on everyone even those with genuine concerns about the benefits and approach.

This discussion is raging in several threads on the Forum now, and as usual intolerance of different views raises its ugly head.

You mean like some people believe in driving on the left, others in driving on the right, why not respect everybody's view and let them all do as they wish? Alternating smokers seats and non smokers' seats?

 

When we leave science behind, we arrive at infantile nonsense.

 

[mauGR1]

32 minutes ago, oldhippy said:

QUOTE:

if you don't believe in the existence of God, how can you blame him" ?

Something doesn't add up methinks ☺

 

I can not answer for transam (he is on my ignore list anyway), but since god does not exist, I do not blame god for anything.

I just denounce those who believe in non existing gods.

But as long as they don't impose their views about life choices, they are harmless and sometimes even a source of entertainment.

Unfortunately, believers have had throughout the centuries a tendency to impoxse their views - on non believers and different believers alike.

 

Hi Oldhippy, nice to see you again here.

Well by now you should know that I'm not a bigot who hides behind a book.

Also, I don't really care what you want to believe, it's not my business anyway, and I would never try to impose my view on anyone, because I think it's wrong.

So, don't you think there might be an intelligent design at work, call it universe, or nature, or energy, some call it God, but the name is not important at all, he has infinite powers, infinite shapes, and infinite names.

Or do you believe in big bangs and all that bs. ????

 

 

[mauGR1]

20 minutes ago, Peter Denis said:

The latest variant being the Believers in Mass Vaccination, wanting to enforce it on everyone even those with genuine concerns about the benefits and approach.

This discussion is raging in several threads on the Forumx now, and as usual intolerance of different views raises its ugly head.

My question is, for how long the intolerant will abuse the patience of us tolerant folks, asking for a friend ????

[oldhippy]

2 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

Hi Oldhippy, nice to see you again here.

Well by now you should know that I'm not a bigot who hides behind a book.

Also, I don't really care what you want to believe, it's not my business anyway, and I would never try to impose my view on anyone, because I think it's wrong.

So, don't you think there might be an intelligent design at work, call it universe, or nature, or energy, some call it God, but the name is not important at all, he has infinite powers, infinite shapes, and infinite names.

Or do you believe in big bangs and all that bs. ????

 

 

I believe what I see, or in what others that I trust see.

 

The big bang is the most reasonable of all explanations, but I would need more proof - it sounds too much like a mathematician that splits 0 into +1 and -1.

 

And I note that those who believe in god "quote: but the name is not important at all, he has infinite powers, infinite shapes, and infinite names" have a tendency to revert to the god of their own culture, in this forum the jesus god and christian bible.

[Tagged]

1 hour ago, mauGR1 said:

It is what it is.

If you are interested to clear what it seems to be a very confused view on the physical reality, you should start from accepting the physical reality.

Btw, I asked you last year or so, and you carefully avoided to answer; " if you don't believe in the existence of God, how can you blame him" ?

Something doesn't add up methinks ☺

Nature provides good an bad for everyone on this planet. Some live in wealth, and some live in poverty humans and animals. Anyway, I like to call us animals to, but it seems it is not very well taken by others. I guess hyenas is one animal that can influence other animals wealth and there is more, but Hyena is a good example of an animal creating hell for others. If its gods mistake, no it is just nature, and we brake the law. At least most of us do. 

[mauGR1]

2 minutes ago, oldhippy said:

I believe what I see, or in what others that I trust see.

 

The big bang is the most reasonable of all explanations, but I would need more proof - it sounds too much like a mathematician that splits 0 into +1 and -1.

 

And I note that those who believe in god "quote: but the name is not important at all, he has infinite powers, infinite shapes, and infinite names" have a tendency to revert to the god of their own culture, in this forum the jesus god and christian bible.

Well, no, but everything is possible. Personally I went to India as an agnostic when I was 19, and came back a believer.

I regard Jesus as a great prophet, and I can assure you, he had not a great opinion of bigots and religious fundamentalists.

[Tagged]

1 hour ago, Leaver said:

Women will be legally able to drive a car soon, and if they are lucky, they may even be allowed to go to a football match soon.

You talking about Saudi Arabia now? In most arabic countries they are alowed to the most things, except in some few radical countries. 

 

Most radical laws against women, is taken from the Tora where the bible have its orign, and also the Koran. 

Edited August 6, 2020 by Tagged

[mauGR1]

2 minutes ago, Tagged said:

Nature provides good an bad for everyone on this planet. Some live in wealth, and some live in poverty humans and animals. Anyway, I like to call us animals to, but it seems it is not very well taken by others. I guess hyenas is one animal that can influence other animals wealth and there is more, but Hyena is a good example of an animal creating hell for others. If its gods mistake, no it is just nature, and we brake the law. At least most of us do. 

AFAIK, hyenas eat rotten carcasses, so they are very useful in some way, even if I would stay far away from them and would not like one as a pet ????

[Leaver]

5 minutes ago, Tagged said:

You talking about Saudi Arabia now? In most arabic countries they are alowed to the most things, except in some few radical countries. 

 

Most radical laws against women, is taken from the Tora where the bible have its orign, and also the Koran. 

Does it really matter what countries oppress women, due to religion?

 

Fact is, it's happening, in the year 2020.  

[Tagged]

5 minutes ago, Leaver said:

Does it really matter what countries oppress women, due to religion?

 

Fact is, it's happening, in the year 2020.  

Its only less than 300 years ago, we burned women for being witches? Islam are only in the year of 1441, we are in the year of 2020, Thailand is in the year of 2563, The hebrew year  is 5780. 

 

I really do not understand your claim here? 

[Tagged]

13 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

AFAIK, hyenas eat rotten carcasses, so they are very useful in some way, even if I would stay far away from them and would not like one as a pet ????

They steel Fresh meet from the king! 

[yodsak]

9 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

You know, the real one, the God of Abraham, or Yahweh, as he is also referred to. 

[yodsak]

15 hours ago, transam said:

"Here we go again"......Hmmmm, as far as I am aware there are many "gods" from many of years back that different folk seem to worship, but not one is proven.

Am I correct....?

 Pretty much.There are a few thousand dead gods listed here.   https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/aus.religion.christian/MJdF5XSfg54

[yodsak]

[transam]

14 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

Heaven has no pain, fear, disease, anger or despair. Life here does. We will be given a new perfect body. maybe animals will be all vegetarians in heaven. Who knows? I'm thinking eating is such a pleasure, God won't take that away. Maybe we will have all our lost and loved pets.

You do NOT know all that, that is human chat......????

[thaibeachlovers]

On 8/6/2020 at 12:51 PM, mauGR1 said:

I think that money and sex are still the most powerful engines for people actions, when one soul gets bored of the repetition, the only way out of the samsara is through enlightenment.

Yet Buddha apparently vowed to come back to this planet until the last sentient being is freed, I think I can see a sort of a message there.

Sex is a genetic imperative and survival/ reproduction of the species is the most powerful of all genetic imperatives. Religions always suppress sex because the men in funny hats know it's more powerful than religion. To have total control they need to stop people having sex except under strict conditions ( marriage ).

 

Money is a good way to get sex, which is why people want lots of it. Rich men don't normally have ugly women in the limo with them.

 

Sex does get in the way of enlightenment, which is why religious orders like monks and nuns are not allowed any. IMO one can't achieve nirvana while ones's mind is occupied with matters of the little head.

[transam]

14 hours ago, mauGR1 said:

It is what it is.

If you are interested to clear what it seems to be a very confused view on the physical reality, you should start from accepting the physical reality.

Btw, I asked you last year or so, and you carefully avoided to answer; " if you don't believe in the existence of God, how can you blame him" ?

Something doesn't add up methinks ☺

"Existence of a god, how can I blame him", how do you know god is a "him", from mans books....?

Your question is daft, if I post a "blame", it is aimed at those who believe in all that god stuff created a couple of millennia back, those of you that are just quoting what folk wrote back then. 

You show me one bit of proof about a god existence and the son of god being the son of god when he showed up, just one thing will do...

 

Man knows about things that were going on millions of years back via science advances, it seems they have found nothing on the existence of gods and family visits, so if you know different, tell me.

[thaibeachlovers]

21 hours ago, transam said:

"Here we go again"......Hmmmm, as far as I am aware there are many "gods" from many of years back that different folk seem to worship, but not one is proven.

Am I correct....?

Many "gods" today too- man made climate change, the Beatles in 1963, Michael Jackson, money, porn, power, social media, wearing masks etc etc etc.

 

My definition of God is the divine spark that created life the universe and everything, the beauty that is in nature, the love that is in a mother's eyes when her new born child is placed in her arms, the love of a friend that gives his life for another. In short, something that is above the norm of our life. God, IMO, is found within ourselves, and not from outside ourselves.

Religion is form without substance, though the religious may find the path to God through religion. I found God during a religious service, though it could have happened anywhere if I had looked for God elsewhere.

[mauGR1]

2 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Sex is a genetic imperative and survival/ reproduction of the species is the most powerful of all genetic imperatives. Religions always suppress sex because the men in funny hats know it's more powerful than religion. To have total control they need to stop people having sex except under strict conditions ( marriage ).

 

Money is a good way to get sex, which is why people want lots of it. Rich men don't normally have ugly women in the limo with them.

 

Sex does get in the way of enligzzhtenment, which is why religious orders like monks and nuns are not allowed any. IMO one can't achieve nirvana while ones's mind is occupied with matters of the little head.

Suppressing a powerful force like sex is the best way to get the opposite effect.

That said, I find natural to enjoy the physical pleasures at a young age, and also natural to become more thoughtful as we get older.

Those physical senses are extremely powerful forces, and it's not always easy to deal with them.

[thaibeachlovers]

6 minutes ago, transam said:

"Existence of a god, how can I blame him", how do you know god is a "him", from mans books....?

Your question is daft, if I post a "blame", it is aimed at those who believe in all that god stuff created a couple of millennia back, those of you that are just quoting what folk wrote back then. 

You show me one bit of proof about a god existence and the son of god being the son of god when he showed up, just one thing will do...

 

Man knows about things that were going on millions of years back via science advances, it seems they have found nothing on the existence of gods and family visits, so if you know different, tell me.

God created nature so God is everywhere in nature. I see God in the sunshine on the sparkling sea, I see God in the trees and the flowers, and the clouds. If you are open to the concept of God within yourself you too can see God in nature. If you are not open, you won't.

If you want proof, look at a flower, and think about the complexity of it. Think about how it is made, how it is nurtured, how the cells that make it are formed. Think about the soil that nurtures it and what makes up that soil. Think about the subsoil and the bedrock and the magma that is below all. Then think about the planet, and how it is just one of several planets circling the sun. Think about the sun and how it burns for billions years and provides energy for every living thing on the surface and under the surface and in the seas on the planet. Then think about all the suns in the galaxy, and all the galaxies in the universe, and how big it is and how long it has been in existence, and how long it will continue to exist, and if you are open to God you will have your proof. If you are not, then you won't. Up to you.

For myself, I see God in a flower.

[mauGR1]

11 minutes ago, transam said:

Existence of a god, how can I blame him", how do you know god is a "him", from mans books....?

Your question is daft, if I post a "blame", it is aimed at those who believe in all that god stuff created a couple of millennia back, those of you that are just quoting what folk wrote back then. 

You show me one bit of proof about a god existence and the son of god being the son of god when he showed up, just one thing will do...

It seems that we are comparing apples and oranges here. 

To answer your only logical question, even if I made it crystal clear countless times, God, imho, is a he, a she, an it, and much more, multiplied by the infinite. If I say he or him is for the sake of brevity.

As for the religious fanatics that you like to blame, I'm not taking responsibility for them, but do you really think that they are worse in general than any other kind of fanatics ?

Live and let live I say????

[thaibeachlovers]

11 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

Suppressing a powerful force like sex is the best way to get the opposite effect.

That said, I find natural to enjoy the physical pleasures at a young age, and also natural to become more thoughtful as we get older.

Those physical senses are extremely powerful forces, and it's not always easy to deal with them.

Enlightenment is spelled differently in your quote than in my post?????????????

 

The reason for suppressing the sexual urge is obviously so all that energy can be used to find Nirvana. Buddha didn't have sex while seeking, did he?

Sex is a distraction from the divine, IMO.

When we achieve Nirvana we won't need sex as above the desires of the flesh.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, mauGR1 said:

It seems that we are comparing apples and oranges here. 

To answer your only logical question, even if I made it crystal clear countless times, God, imho, is a he, a she, an it, and much more, multiplied by the infinite. If I say he or him is for the sake of brevity.

As for the religious fanatics that you like to blame, I'm not taking responsibility for them, but do you really think that they are worse in general than any other kind of fanatics ?

Live and let live I say????

God is everything, so gender does not apply. Gender is an animal construct for the purpose of reproduction, but God does not reproduce, so does not need a gender. I sometimes call God he or him, but that's only conditioning.

[thaibeachlovers]

41 minutes ago, transam said:

You do NOT know all that, that is human chat......????

Well, if there is no God and we just end after death we would have no pain etc etc etc. If one accepts God exists and if we join God after death, we are hardly going to have a worse existence than if there was nothing, are we?

[mauGR1]

7 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Enlightenment is spelled differently in your quote than in my post?????????????

 

The reason for suppressing the sexual urge is obviously so all that energy can be used to find Nirvana. Buddha didn't have sex while seeking, did he?

Sex is a distraction from the divine, IMO.

When we achieve Nirvana we won't need sex as above the desires of the flesh.

Well, I have the impression that we are saying the same thing, even if in different ways and through different points of view.

Of course one can't achieve spiritual enlightenment while being entangled in earthly pleasures, my point is that when a powerful force get repressed, it can come out again with unexpected strength.

Hence the saying: before going to heaven you must have seen hell.

[transam]

2 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

God created nature so God is everywhere in nature. I see God in the sunshine on the sparkling sea, I see God in the trees and the flowers, and the clouds. If you are open to the concept of God within yourself you too can see God in nature. If you are not open, you won't.

If you want proof, look at a flower, and think about the complexity of it. Think about how it is made, how it is nurtured, how the cells that make it are formed. Think about the soil that nurtures it and what makes up that soil. Think about the subsoil and the bedrock and the magma that is below all. Then think about the planet, and how it is just one of several planets circling the sun. Think about the sun and how it burns for billions years and provides energy for every living thing on the surface and under the surface and in the seas on the planet. Then think about all the suns in the galaxy, and all the galaxies in the universe, and how big it is and how long it has been in existence, and how long it will continue to exist, and if you are open to God you will have your proof. If you are not, then you won't. Up to you.

For myself, I see God in a flower.

If the Sun decided to explode today, what would happen....? 

Even the moon's disappearance would be catastrophic...

 

On a clear night, look up into the sky, you cannot count the number of "earths" up there, doing what they have been doing for an infinite length of time. It also seems in the realms of possibilities that one of those flying objects could one day take out our earth, these are the things I think of, factual, no mumbo jumbo from past era.

 

Religion is well in decline in the western world, when I was a kid we had religious instruction lessons, even in secondary school, do they have that now, probably not as there are now quite a few different religions in my own country.

 

King Henry VIII, the head of the English Christian church decided to change stuff just because he wanted a new wife, killed off a load of folk, Catholics, just a man doing what he wants with no regard for the almighty he was working for.  ????