20 minutes ago, Sunmaster said:

That the higher power can be reached through the mind, is not the same as saying "it's all in your mind" though. The same way the internet is not inside your computer,  but you need a computer to access the internet. 

 

If you have too many programs on your PC, it will slow down its performance. By the same analogy, having too many thoughts and worse, not having control over them, will "slow down" the connection we all have with the divine. The signal becomes weaker and weaker until you finally feel completely disconnected from it.

Only a rigorous ecology of the mind can perform a "cleansing of the PC's drive" and strengthen the connection again.

While being in complete agreement with a "rigorous ecology of the mind", i sm reasonably confident that @Tagged is not a supporter of mind confusion, and when saying "it's all in your mind" he was trying to explain some concept with which i (partly) agree.

Ah..words.. sometimes trying to explain, yet making things more complicated ☺

Gods are phantom beings made up as an excuse to go to war, beg, molest children, commit murder (terrorism)  Con people (jehovahs witnesses) and scrounge money.

There is no evidence of the existance of any god.  

7 minutes ago, huahinjim said:

Gods are phantom beings made up as an excuse to go to war, beg, molest children, commit murder (terrorism)  Con people (jehovahs witnesses) and scrounge money.

There is no evidence of the existance of any god.  

Very shallow post, pls do try to keep up.

Not at all shallow, it's fact, no proven god with a list of crimes committed because of lack of belief in co-existence.

 

2 minutes ago, huahinjim said:

Not at all shallow, it's fact, no proven god with a list of crimes committed because of lack of belief in co-existence.

 

Try culture, it's free  ????

20 hours ago, mauGR1 said:

Well, forgive me for that, but I find many of your posts quite confusing. Most of the times, that's because of incorrect grammar and spelling, sometimes because of different meanings we give to the same words. Perhaps we can agree that we have to be careful while discussing these kind of subjects, as it's quite easy for one to get misunderstood.

I have an tendency to write fast using touch method and write on flow, and to lazy to use grammar check. So I understand it can be confusing, and I will try to take my time, as I will try to improve my English. And yes Im not English or have English as first language. I hope I speak better than I write  So please bear with me my mistakes and confused writing style.

 

However, its all in your mind, yes it is, because we all are tuned in different, how we feel, how we see, how we hear, how we smell, and understand, and also how we evaluate the different situations as we have to digest so many impressions that impact us. We are also are on different levels on the learning path as well, or where we are in life. 

 

Some people are busy just getting the food on the table, others, to manage bank loans, marriage, and so on, but we are lucky to have time to think, and some of us maybe thinking to much? Feeling to much, sense to much, and have an hard time to sort all that comes at us at same time. Some brains operate different than other people who can live a long life, working with the same in a factory, sale, construction, teaching, go to the same church, obey the same god without question any of it, and do not dare to doubt, or do not want to because it is important for them to believe in something solid, and that's what give them comfort. 

 

Me, I have been all over the place trying to find a meaning for decades, been confused, been sure, not sure, and now, I know, we are all one, more or less connected, not only in our brain, but that's where the magic happening for all of us somehow, no matter some seems disconnected or not, we are all one, nothing will change that. For me it have been hard to see what's true and not, and that creates a_lot of doubt in most of us who trying to find some meaning behind all of it, and every man made religion, or any spiritual systems have their weakness. 

 

I have found peace in mind, accepting the life is out of my control, the world, the people is floating around, changing directions because of clima, the need for resourches, powerchange, opinions, greed, and so much more we can not control, but we are here on this planet together, and this is the place all of us will end Our days, paradise or hell, which I believe we create ourselves One or the other way. However soon there will be people in space ending their lives there as well, I would say we are closer to "god" right here right now. 

Internet and WiFi, is not a new invention, its always been around us and within us. 

5 minutes ago, Tagged said:

Internet and WiFi, is not a new invention, its always been around us and within us. 

Thanks for the effort, this post is very clear, I understand and i quite agree, except for the last paragraph which I quoted.

Care to explain ?

By the way, even if we don't agree on everything, I have much respect for every person who is sincere in looking for the truth, about what we are, where we come from, and why we are here etc.

52 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

Thanks for the effort, this post is very clear, I understand and i quite agree, except for the last paragraph which I quoted.

Care to explain ?

By the way, even if we don't agree on everything, I have much respect for every person who is sincere in looking for the truth, about what we are, where we come from, and why we are here etc.

Nature have its own internet, WiFi, and that's the power around us all connect. We just start knowing more about how fungus connects everything underground, talking, support, help. With modern agriculture, lifestyles, we are so disconnected from the origin, and I truly find that sad for the humanity, and we just start to find scientific proof how we destroy our planet, our mother slowly. 

Since I have been kid, I have felt the  pain and guilt for what we are doing wrong to our mother, and annoyed by the ignorance humans Shows to nature. 

 

 

"

 

Hidden under your feet is an information superhighway that allows plants to communicate and help each other out. It’s made of fungi

 

 

It's an information superhighway that speeds up interactions between a large, diverse population of individuals. It allows individuals who may be widely separated to communicate and help each other out. But it also allows them to commit new forms of crime.

No, we're not talking about the internet, we're talking about fungi. While mushrooms might be the most familiar part of a fungus, most of their bodies are made up of a mass of thin threads, known as a mycelium. We now know that these threads act as a kind of underground internet, linking the roots of different plants. That tree in your garden is probably hooked up to a bush several metres away, thanks to mycelia.

The more we learn about these underground networks, the more our ideas about plants have to change. They aren't just sitting there quietly growing. By linking to the fungal network they can help out their neighbours by sharing nutrients and information – or sabotage unwelcome plants by spreading toxic chemicals through the network. This "wood wide web", it turns out, even has its own version of cybercrime."

 

read more here

http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20141111-plants-have-a-hidden-internet

40 minutes ago, Tagged said:

Nature have its own internet, WiFi, and that's the power around us all connect. We just start knowing more about how fungus connects everything underground, talking, support, help. With modern agriculture, lifestyles, we are so disconnected from the origin, and I truly find that sad for the humanity, and we just start to find scientific proof how we destroy our planet, our mother slowly. 

Since I have been kid, I have felt the  pain and guilt for what we are doing wrong to our mother, and annoyed by the ignorance humans Shows to nature. 

 

 

"

 

Hidden under your feet is an information superhighway that allows plants to communicate and help each other out. It’s made of fungi

 

 

It's an information superhighway that speeds up interactions between a large, diverse population of individuals. It allows individuals who may be widely separated to communicate and help each other out. But it also allows them to commit new forms of crime.

No, we're not talking about the internet, we're talking about fungi. While mushrooms might be the most familiar part of a fungus, most of their bodies are made up of a mass of thin threads, known as a mycelium. We now know that these threads act as a kind of underground internet, linking the roots of different plants. That tree in your garden is probably hooked up to a bush several metres away, thanks to mycelia.

The more we learn about these underground networks, the more our ideas about plants have to change. They aren't just sitting there quietly growing. By linking to the fungal network they can help out their neighbours by sharing nutrients and information – or sabotage unwelcome plants by spreading toxic chemicals through the network. This "wood wide web", it turns out, even has its own version of cybercrime."

 

read more here

http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20141111-plants-have-a-hidden-internet

Yes ! Sorry for being so dumb, I should have known what you meant to say !

So, if that's not the evidence of the existence of an intelligent design, I wonder what other evidence some people need.

I think older civilizations, like American natives, were quite conscious of these intelligent connections within nature, just by observing nature at work. I've been able myself to witness strange things, with meditation and a little help from some mushrooms ????

1 hour ago, mauGR1 said:

Yes ! Sorry for being so dumb, I should have known what you meant to say !

So, if that's not the evidence of the existence of an intelligent design, I wonder what other evidence some people need.

I think older civilizations, like American natives, were quite conscious of these intelligent connections within nature, just by observing nature at work. I've been able myself to witness strange things, with meditation and a little help from some mushrooms ????

We are the intelligence art of design ???? 

 

however, Im still strong in my belief that we really do not know, or any other Know on this planet what it is, we can believe, we can feel, we can think, but still, there is a wide open question. What I felt as a child, also Felt later in life, especially when I started question life, and purpose of life in more difficult times, and I tried to talk to specialists about my thoughts,  and My complicated feeling dissorder, I was offered pills to surpress my agitating feelings To ease my troubles   Well, thats how we are doing or dealing with complicated mental health issues created by our lifestyle, that feel wrong, surpress the true feelings with chemicals, to continue in the same manner, and to make us fit in the society. However I can now live a good life with my thoughts and views of life, and better now when I can comfort myself with my way of thinking, and my way of solving the big questions, and accept what it is, and how it is. Strangly I kind of always knew even as a kid, but there was no way I could know how to express it, dealt with it, or successfully surpress it, because it hounts you over time, and you need to someway express it. My medicine was extreme sport, and it worked as long my physical health allowed me. Tention builds up during long life surpressing feelings, and it will one day catch up with your one way or another. 

 

Life can be challenging when you feel to much, or think to much, and I do both sometimes. Seeing reality In light of our lifes, how destructive we are Instead of seeing how creative we are, but you know compare to mother nature, we are really not that impressive. 

27 minutes ago, Tagged said:

We are the intellicence art of design ???? 

 

however, Im still strong in my belief that we really do not know, or any other on this planet what it is, we can believe, we can feel, we can think, but still, there is a wide open question still. What I felt as a child, also later in life especially when I started question life, and purpose of life in more difficult times, and tried to talk to specialists about my thoughts,  and complicated feeling dissorder, I was offered pills to surpress my agitating feelings To ease my troubles   Well, thats how we are doing, surpress True feelings of something wrong, to continue in the same manner, and to fit in the society. However I can now live a good life with my thoughts and views of life, and better now when I can comfort myself with my way of thinking, and my way of solving the big questions, and accept what it is, and how it is. Strangly I kind of always knew even as a kid, but there was no way I could know how to express it, or successfully surpress it. 

 

Life can be challenging when you feel to much, or think to much, and I do both sometimes. Seeing reality In light of our lifes, how destructive we are Instead of seeing how creative we are, but you know compare to mother nature, we are really not that impressive. 

Well, I'm so glad that, after many months of misunderstandings, and sometimes even bickering, I discovered that we are thinking in a similar way, and we had similar experiences.

When I was about 6 or 7 I use to open 2 mirrored doors of a wardrobe in my parents' room, so that I could see multiple images of myself.

One day, I found myself thinking: in this life, I have to leave some sign, so that in the next life I will remember this life.

That thought is still surprising , as it's quite unlikely that at 6 I had heard and memorised anything about reincarnation.

So i guess that that thought was coming from within myself. 

Not sure why I share this experience, but after so many years it's still weird to think about it.

2 hours ago, mauGR1 said:

Well, I'm so glad that, after many months of misunderstandings, and sometimes even bickering, I discovered that we are thinking in a similar way, and we had similar experiences.

When I was about 6 or 7 I use to open 2 mirrored doors of a wardrobe in my parents' room, so that I could see multiple images of myself.

One day, I found myself thinking: in this life, I have to leave some sign, so that in the next life I will remember this life.

That thought is still surprising , as it's quite unlikely that at 6 I had heard and memorised anything about reincarnation.

So i guess that that thought was coming from within myself. 

Not sure why I share this experience, but after so many years it's still weird to think about it.

Thank you ????

 

just did a edit on my previous post after you quoted me. There is a good reason to sharing some thoughts, since most of us, have thoughts that we never share, especially men, and often difficult thoughts thats have been following us for a long time,  and there is no place to adress them. Sometims what we think is a daily struggle that  could be rooting in something else, and it is common that back and shoulder problems is based on tension coming from unsolved stress we are dealing with, and also unaware of where it roots as said. 

 

This is what I believe leads many people on a path where searching for true meaning become an obsession, even I feel I did not, I have been searching for something all my life, and it took me awhile before I could fall to rest, and be happy with what I have, and right here and now as the most importance in my life. Just enjoy being right here and right now in presence of now with a big N. Im not sure this make any sense but, after some serious rollercoaster trips up and downs, left And right it is good to aknownledge I will never know everything I want to know, and I will never know the whole truth, and the struggle or the energy used, is better to use on watching my trees grow, the plants on our land evolve, and give back to us what we give them. Feeling good eating healthy vegetables, feeling good about giving back to nature by planting trees for future, Or I just used my energy, and gave up ???? hehe and got old. 

2 hours ago, Tagged said:

Thank you ????

 

just did a edit on my previous post after you quoted me. There is a good reason to sharing some thoughts, since most of us, have thoughts that we never share, especially men, and often difficult thoughts thats have been following us for a long time,  and there is no place to adress them. Sometims what we think is a daily struggle that  could be rooting in something else, and it is common that back and shoulder problems is based on tension coming from unsolved stress we are dealing with, and also unaware of where it roots as said. 

 

This is what I believe leads many people on a path where searching for true meaning become an obsession, even I feel I did not, I have been searching for something all my life, and it took me awhile before I could fall to rest, and be happy with what I have, and right here and now as the most importance in my life. Just enjoy being right here and right now in presence of now with a big N. Im not sure this make any sense but, after some serious rollercoaster trips up and downs, left And right it is good to aknownledge I will never know everything I want to know, and I will never know the whole truth, and the struggle or the energy used, is better to use on watching my trees grow, the plants on our land evolve, and give back to us what we give them. Feeling good eating healthxy vegetables, feeling good about giving back to nature by planting trees for future, Or I just used my energy, and gave up ???? hehe and got old. 

There's a reason why, if one goes on a spiritual path, one has to deal with loneliness. Apparently most folks are contented with everything material the world has to offer, but that was never the case for me.

You are talking about "obsession" and you are right until a certain extent, even if i would say " commitment", as i can't see anything more important, in my life, than investigating the spiritual.

Friends and strangers listen to my ramblings, but since a few years I've realised that most consider me a strange, difficult person. Well, i have no regrets, but the fact i often struggle with loneliness is undeniable.

On the other hand, I am very often rewarded with some clear visions of the connections between the material and the spiritual realities.

Once again, I'm grateful to you folks, you know who you are, for debating on this thread, enriching my experience and my knowledge, while strolling on the path to the truth.

11 hours ago, Tagged said:

Hidden under your feet is an information superhighway that allows plants to communicate and help each other out. It’s made of fungi.

 

Good point. There's a lot more that is hidden under our feet. I was amazed, several years ago, when I first came across reports that the total mass of living forms of life in the topsoil is far greater than the total mass of life above the surface, which is the life that we normally see, such as grass, plants, trees and animals, and so on.

 

The roots of plants and trees take up a significant proportion of that underground living mass. Around 26-30% of the total mass of a tree is out of sight and underground.

 

The total mass of earth worms in the soil is estimated at 10 x the total mass of the 7.8 billion humans on the planet.

 

In addition to plant roots and worms, there are huge quantities of bacteria, fungi, protozoa, nematodes and anthropods in the soils.
In just one teaspoon of healthy soil, there are between 100 million and a billion Bacteria, up to several kilometres of Fungi strands, particularly in the rain forest soils, thousands of Protozoa, and hundreds of Nematodes.

 

However, all that is just in the top few feet of soil. Recent research has revealed that in deeper layers stretching down to 3 miles or so below the surface, there might be as much as 25 billion tones of micro-organisms'
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0185934

 

"The dark, high-pressure depths of Earth’s interior is an unexpected place to find life. Now, an international group of scientists report there’s 16.5 to 25 billion tons of micro-organisms beneath the planet’s surface. The team’s work is redefining what a habitable environment is.
The collaboration has revealed that life teems beneath the planet’s surface in a vast ecosystem scientists call “the deep biosphere.” A diverse mix of environments make up this other world beneath Earth’s crust, which encompasses a volume nearly twice as large as all the oceans combined. And surprisingly, life flourishes there, the researchers announced today.
The scientists probed hundreds of locations around the globe. They drilled a mile and a half into the seafloor and excavated gold and diamond mines in South Africa. So far, the deepest specimens of life come from more than 3 miles beneath the surface."

 

And, of course, the human body is a host for bacteria. Without them we would die. The human body contains trillions of micro-organisms, estimated to be around 10 x the number of human cells.
 

On 8/29/2020 at 8:18 PM, Tagged said:

Isnt that quite harsh to say, that you call out people as closed minds since they do not aggree with your experiences? Feeling something about a devine can come in many forms, and the way you feel, it, can not be transferred to any one elses, exept you have teacher, who lead you and take you on a walk in your mind. Because thats where you find the divine, the power, the love, and thats where the magic is. 

 

Our own universe to exploit. 

No one that denies God as has happened so many times on this thread can have an open mind on the subject. If one didn't believe in God, but had an open mind they can be converted if they experience the Divine, as I did.

 

On 8/7/2020 at 8:11 AM, jvs said:

You can't all be right.

But they can all be wrong. ????

39 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

No one that denies God as has happened so many times on this thread can have an open mind on the subject. If one didn't believe in God, but had an open mind they can be converted if they experience the Divine, as I did.

 

Well, sorry to say, but for some to experience the devine is very individual, and can be of many reasons why poeple feel, hear, see, sense a divine, and I do not really believe I have either, but I feel connected, more in some periods, and less in others. People have different qualities, and therefor we have evolved to what we are today for good an bad.

 

It have been a need for the worst raw talented killing machines for some complicated Periods of our history, as the need for the most holy gurus with a clear messages of peace and love for hope and better future. And everything in between to make the society to roll on and keep everyone busy making a life. Also those who take care of the outsiders is important with no egoestic needs for themselves. 

 

 There is not god given gift to have such experiences as you had, and it is yours. 

 

I had strong feelings, visions and battles when I did my most dangerous technical stunts of my life, whit small margins between life and dead, and also witnessed my friends die on the way. More than 65 people I have met, been friends with, and some few very close friends have died in their "sport". This also forms you as a person on the way for good and bad. 

 

 I have been lucky in life, stayed out of trouble, did not experience abuse, (exept beating from a father) not abused anyone, Have a good and healthy moral and dedication to life and my closest. This without being dedicated religious, and with a strong doubt in bible or any other book religion, which I find unmoralistic. 

 

 I have never experienced war, hunger or poverty myself, but if there is such a powerful devine, (here it comes again) why all this missery. I do not belive in a earth bound test, because I believe in right here and right now. This is our chance. After this life we just continue with the one, we always have been part of. Dust to dust, ashes to ashes

24 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

No one that denies God as has happened so many times on this thread can have an open mind on the subject. If one didn't believe in God, but had an open mind they can be converted if they experience the Divine, as I did.

 

That's daft, I have an open mind on the subject, that is why I have come to my conclusion about a "God".

In fact, for many years at school, it was forced on us as if it were all "gospel", when in fact it wasn't.

There is no proof of a "God", only man's use of his brain to conjure stuff up. 

 

Now if we are thinking about how the universe manifested, and what is beyond it, that is a different matter, only man's advancements may find the answer waaaaaaay down the line..????

So in the meantime, I will not spend hours on my knees chanting to something or someone who is not there, or wouldn't care, plus, if there were something there, perhaps going out doing some good would be more productive than wasting time blabbering praises.

 

18 minutes ago, transam said:

That's daft, I have an open mind on the subject, that is why I have come to my conclusion about a "God".

In fact, for many years at school, it was forced on us as if it were all "gospel", when in fact it wasn't.

There is no proof of a "God", only man's use of his brain to conjure stuff up. 

 

Now if we are thinking about how the universe manifested, and what is beyond it, that is a different matter, only man's advancements may find the answer waaaaaaay down the line..????

So in the meantime, I will not spend hours on my knees chanting to something or someone who is not there, or wouldn't care, plus, if there were something there, perhaps going out doing some good would be more productive than wasting time blabbering praises.

 

I've never advocated for religion on here, so why are you implying I am for kneeling and chanting?

If you are prepared to believe that waaaaaaay down the line it might be proven that God created the universe you ain't closed mind so my post wasn't about you, so what are you complaining about?

 

27 minutes ago, Tagged said:

but if there is such a powerful devine, (here it comes again) why all this missery.

From free will. Some people are bad, end of. Belief is a choice, otherwise it wouldn't be belief.

 

On 8/30/2020 at 12:13 AM, huahinjim said:

Gods are phantom beings made up as an excuse to go to war, beg, molest children, commit murder (terrorism)  Con people (jehovahs witnesses) and scrounge money.

There is no evidence of the existance of any god.  

The OP didn't ask for proof. It asked if you believe.

4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

From free will. Some people are bad, end of. Belief is a choice, otherwise it wouldn't be belief.

 

If we were to be all healthy, rich, handsome, intelligent and eternal, I guess someone would be still complaining about life being boring ????

4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

From free will. Some people are bad, end of. Belief is a choice, otherwise it wouldn't be belief.

 

You can be good, but still be bad ????

 

good for some is bad for others. 

19 minutes ago, Tagged said:

You can be good, but still be bad ????

 

good for some is bad for others. 

If a " hair splitting society " doesn't exist yet, perhaps we should start one ☺

4 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

If a " hair splitting society " doesn't exist yet, perhaps we should start one ☺

The history is full of diversed good and bad and what is politically correct or not. Remember Life of brian as an outstanding example. 

 

Brilliant movie and still important the day today as we speak. 

35 minutes ago, Tagged said:

The history is full of diversed good and bad and what is politically correct or not. Remember Life of brian as an outstanding example. 

 

Brilliant movie and still important the day today as we speak. 

Well, I lost the count of the folks who have told me to watch " lifeofbrian" and I have already decided that, being me a contrarian, I will never ever watch it.????

Jokes apart, I am not fond of movies, and my normal everyday life is giving me just enough, some day even too much to think about.

But I'm really starting to enjoy your posts, so pls keep them coming.

55 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

Well, I lost the count of the folks who have told me to watch " lifeofbrian" and I have already decided that, being me a contrarian, I will never ever watch it.????

What!! You've never seen the movie 'The Life of Brian'? I am surprised. You don't know what you're missing. ????

 

'Prof Burridge, whom Pope Francis recently presented with the Vatican’s top theological award, the first non-Roman Catholic to receive it, said that the film’s depiction of faction-ridden messianic movements in First Century Judea was probably a more accurate portrayal of the historical context than many Hollywood films about Jesus.'

 

Wikipedia has a long discussion on the film.

 

"One of the most commented-upon scenes in the film is when Brian tells his followers that they are all individuals and don’t need to follow anybody. According to Edward Slowik, this is a rare moment in which Monty Python puts a philosophical concept into words so openly and directly. Life of Brian accurately depicts the existentialist view that everybody needs to give meaning to their own life."
Quote from the actual film:
Brian: "Look, you’ve got it all wrong. You don't need to follow me. You don't need to follow anybody. You've got to think for yourselves. You're all individuals."
Crowd in unison: "YES. WE'RE ALL INDIVIDUALS."  ????
 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monty_Python's_Life_of_Brian
 

7 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I've never advocated for religion on here, so why are you implying I am for kneeling and chanting?

If you are prepared to believe that waaaaaaay down the line it might be proven that God created the universe you ain't closed mind so my post wasn't about you, so what are you complaining about?

 

I never said YOU were kneeling and chanting, religious folk do it in church and Mosques all over the world, was my point...Plus, I am not complaining, I am putting my view across.

Calm down chap...????

1 hour ago, mauGR1 said:

Well, I lost the count of the folks who have told me to watch " lifeofbrian" and I have already decided that, being me a contrarian, I will never ever watch it.????

Jokes apart, I am not fond of movies, and my normal everyday life is giving me just enough, some day even too much to think about.

But I'm really starting to enjoy your posts, so pls keep them coming.

Well, it is a time for everything, and Im sure you will finely one day see it, when you are ready. This is not a movie without dept or brilliance, it is an intelligent well thought, perfect made and put together in a hysterical comedy, but not without an darker side to it. We can laough of the scenes, but troughout the history it have been a bloody abusing state of mind with the religon in hand. 

 

Because of all of the small talks, small details, it is worth to see two and three times. As I said, when you are ready

41 minutes ago, Tagged said:

Well, it is a time for everything, and Im sure you will finely one day see it, when you are ready. This is not a movie without dept or brilliance, it is an intelligent well thought, perfect made and put together in a hysterical comedy, but not without an darker side to it. We can laough of the scenes, but troughout the history it have been a bloody abusing state of mind with the religon in hand. 

 

Because of all of the small talks, small details, it is worth to see two and three times. As I said, when you are ready

And once you've watched it, you'll be on to Monty Python & the Holy Grail... The scene with the Black Knight had me crying with laughter (though I was stoned at the time)...