Do you believe in God and why

[Sunmaster]

17 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

 

Well, since I don't meditate I cannot comment for I lack any reference.  But I will say that intuition, at least as I experience it, doesn't always come in spurts of flashes.  It can last all morning for me in great blocks of time.  I have no doubt, and would never argue against, meditation being an avenue and having it's unique benefits.  But then again, there is no one road that leads to a destination.  And I would not believe anyone if they were to tell me that there is only a single road, whether it be meditation or some other process.  Or, put differently, as it is commonly said in the U.S., there's more than one way to skin a cat. 

 

I would not be one to tell others that the only way to "know" is via meditation.  It's one path of many and each path affords it's unique advantages.  But to claim that meditation is the only path it then, by implication, unfairly discounts any other path. 

I'm not saying that meditation is absolutely necessary and the only way to live a fulfilling life, but it certainly gives you the best shot at it, because it greatly strengthens the link to the inner world, including intuition, creativity, compassion. It is a tool (tested, refined and validated over a very long time) to get (re)acquaintanced with the whole of your identity. To know yourself is to know God. 

What I'm clumsily trying to say, is that maybe we shouldn't isolate intuition and view it as something separate, because it's a byproduct of that link strengthening that emerges naturally through meditation. 

[Sunmaster]

9 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

 

Well, you're not saying it very well then.   

 

You see, Vince, I can't help but poke fun at my friend the Sunmaster.  He's got that big, red "X" painted on his back but doesn't know it. 

Jeez. Thanks for that.
If my wife asks me why I'm lying on the sofa the whole day, I'll tell her that it's to cover that "X" Tippa put on my back. 

[Tippaporn]

13 minutes ago, Sunmaster said:

Even the most intellectual, academical professor will use intuition when working on a problem.

 

You've sent me off on a tangent, Sunmaster.    These are comments Seth has made about Einstein, perhaps one of the greatest scientific minds we are aware of.  Seth confirms that Einstein used his intuitions remarkably well.  Note to Sunmaster:  One of the excerpts makes mention of psychological time (you had mistakenly called it subjective time but had got it right when you first asked me).  Of course one of my posts of this morning gave you a link for you to explore psychological time in greater detail at your leisure.  I'm sure at least some of your questions will be answered.  Though any answers may raise the specter in the form of a whole set of other questions. 

 

@VincentRJ  You may be interested as well here.  Interesting reading, though.  Seth covers quiet a bit of science.  A number of scientists were so intrigued that they held sessions with Seth on various scientific matters which they personally were involved with.

 

Just a general comment.  We have religion, which is primarily intuition oriented.  Then we have science, which is primarily oriented around the intellect.  Neither has been successful in bringing us to a much more ideal version of the world. (Proof being in the pudding.  )  Ideally, the intellect and the intuitions need to be blended.  Once either one or the other is shunted aside then an ideal world is not possible.  At least that's my opinion.

 

If Einstein had been a better mathematician,7 he would not have made the breakthroughs that he did. He would have been too cowed. Yet even then his mathematics did hold him back, and put a kink in his intuitions. Often you take it for granted that intuitive knowledge is not practical, will not work, or will not give you diagrams. Those same diagrams of which science is so proud, however, can also be barriers, giving you a dead instead of a living knowledge. Therefore, they can be quite impractical.

—The "Unknown" Reality: Volume One; Section 3: Session 701 June 3, 1974

 

In the 45th session for April 20, 1964, I find Seth saying: “Einstein traveled within and trusted his own intuitions, and used his inner senses. He would have discovered much more had he been able to trust his intuitions even more, and able to leave more of the so-called scientific proof of his theories to lesser men, to give himself more inner freedom.”

—The "Unknown" Reality: Volume One; Section 3: Session 701 June 3, 1974

 

The view is truly astounding. I’m glad you live on such a nice corner; and as far as Einstein is concerned, he saw more than he knew he saw, and he was more than he knew he was. We will go into this thoroughly when we return to our discussion of time.

—The Early Sessions: Book 1 of The Seth Material; Session 15 January 13, 1964

 

Einstein was such a person in the sciences. While he was tainted to some extent by conventional sexual beliefs, he still felt his own personhood in such a way that he gladly took advantage of characteristics considered feminine. As a youngster particularly, he rebelled against male-oriented learning and orientation. This rebellion was psychological — that is, he maintained an acceptable male orientation in terms of sexual activity, but he would not restrain his mind and soul with such nonsense. The world felt the result of his great intuitive abilities, and of his devotion.

—The Nature of the Psyche: Its Human Expression; Chapter 5: Session 772, April 19, 1976

 

(In our reality, the first law of thermodynamics tells us that energy [matter] can be changed from one form to another but that it can’t be created or destroyed. Although a chemical change results in a new substance the total weight of the ingredients involved remains practically the same; in such ordinary reactions the amount of matter converted into heat is infinitesimal. In mathematical terms Einstein revealed that mass and energy are equivalent to each other — when one is “destroyed” the other is “created.”

—The Nature of Personal Reality; Part One: Chapter 7: Session 632, January 15, 1973

 

Some of this material will take some getting used to but I wanted to give it to you now; and perhaps you will see how important the use of psychological time can be to you. It comes very close to allowing you the freedom of the spacious present. There is more I will say later along these lines, but your experience with psychological time will to some degree help you to see through the walls of past and future. I realize you will find the statement, there is no beginning or end, almost incomprehensible, because of your own situation on your own plane, and yet this has been known for centuries; and your own Einstein’s theories will help to give the idea scientific respectability.

—The Early Sessions: Book 1 of The Seth Material; Session 41 April 6, 1964

 

Your scientific fields of endeavor may stumble upon the mathematical probabilities involved in such other fields within perhaps a 60-year period, but they will not recognize the significance of the discovery—which will probably be made in an attempt to obtain more data concerning an idea related to Einstein’s special field theory.

—The Early Sessions: Book 8 of The Seth Material; Session 410 May 8, 1968

 

Einstein used the miraculous aspects of his mind. Parts of the mind are almost completely undistorted. The mind is distributed throughout the whole physical body. The mind builds up about it the physical camouflages necessary for existence on your physical plane. The mind receives data from the inner senses and forms the camouflage necessary. The mind unconsciously or unself-consciously deals with the basic laws according to the camouflage effect that is vital for survival on your physical plane. The mind is the tool which must be used.

—The Early Sessions: Book 1 of The Seth Material; Session 19 January 27, 1964

[Tippaporn]

55 minutes ago, Sunmaster said:

Jeez. Thanks for that.
If my wife asks me why I'm lying on the sofa the whole day, I'll tell her that it's to cover that "X" Tippa put on my back. 

 

It easily comes off by scrubbing vigorously with a 50-50 solution of lye and battery acid.  No worries. 

 

Edited January 19 by Tippaporn

[Tippaporn]

1 hour ago, Sunmaster said:

I'm not saying that meditation is absolutely necessary and the only way to live a fulfilling life, but it certainly gives you the best shot at it, because it greatly strengthens the link to the inner world, including intuition, creativity, compassion. It is a tool (tested, refined and validated over a very long time) to get (re)acquaintanced with the whole of your identity. To know yourself is to know God. 

What I'm clumsily trying to say, is that maybe we shouldn't isolate intuition and view it as something separate, because it's a byproduct of that link strengthening that emerges naturally through meditation. 

 

One moment, please, whilst I switch over to my intellect so that I can make use of it's reasoning function.  [great noise of machinery at work]

 

If the intuition is not separate but only a byproduct of meditation, and yet I've never meditated, then why do I possess intuition?  

 

[sound of Sunmaster raising himself off the floor after clumsily falling down] 

[Sunmaster]

51 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

 

One moment, please, whilst I switch over to my intellect so that I can make use of it's reasoning function.  [great noise of machinery at work]

 

If the intuition is not separate but only a byproduct of meditation, and yet I've never meditated, then why do I possess intuition?  

 

[sound of Sunmaster raising himself off the floor after clumsily falling down] 

<Sunmaster rises his heavy bottom from the floor>

 

The same way you already have calf muscles as an inherent part of your body. You don't need to exercise to have those muscles. 

The difference is that meditation trains the whole leg muscles and not just the calf muscles. 

Sure, you can focus on your calf muscles specifically, but if you neglect the rest of the legs, the result will be rather awkward looking.

 

If you are a materialist and don't exercise any of your leg muscles, you basically have no legs to stand on when presenting your arguments. 😄

 

<Tippa's intellectual machinery goes into overdrive>

Edited January 19 by Sunmaster

[Tippaporn]

3 hours ago, VincentRJ said:

 

I would disagree with the concept of 'whole new level'. There are numerous grades and levels of understanding which all involve the intellect, that is, the processing in the mind of all data received through the five senses of sight, hearing, taste, smell, and touch. Such processing also involves  the memory of past and related experiences.

 

A person who has never visited a beach anywhere, but has read wonderful stories about the beauty of beaches, which stimulate his/her imagination, might be very disappointed when visiting a beach in Thailand for the first time. The weather might be dull, the water dirty, and the sand might be cluttered with rubish. 

 

On the other hand, if the only story about beaches the person has read, is about the awful trash on Thai beaches, then, when the person, for the first time, happens to visit a beach which is pristine and the weather is fantastic, his direct experience will not accord with what he has read.

 

Also, we need to discuss this concept of 'intellectual knowledge alone'. Is there really such a thing? There are varying degrees of distinction to be made between 'fiction' and 'non-fiction'. It's not 'either/or'. Everything is 'fiction' to some degree, because everything, every sight, hearing, taste, smell, touch, has to be interpreted by the mind, and such interpretations always differ to some degree, even if there is a consensus on an issue.

 

This is why it's impossible to completely separate the subject from the object.

 

The disciplines of science strive to be as non-fictitious as possible, and succeed to the degree that the scientific understanding becomes non-fictitious, resulting from the application of the 'true methodology of scientific enquiry'. However, because of the complexity of many situations, a degree of uncertainty still exists, especially in the so-called 'soft' sciences, such as economics, psychology, sociology, political science, anthropology, various field of medicine, climate change, and so on.

 

It's difficult to find a comprehensice list of 'soft' sciences, probably because it's not an 'either/or' situation. However, the fundamental concept of a 'soft' science is based upon an inability to create the conditions required to 'falsify' a particular theory, because there are so many variables, and/or the time involved to get a result makes the experiment impractical.

 

Is there anyone reading this, who would prefer to live in a world devoid of the benefit of modern science? 

 

Wow, Vince.  You just got Popular Post status.  I never get that.    I got on Sunmaster's case to not be a cheap Charlie on handing out reactions in the hope that with his help I might have more than a snowball's chance in hell of having one of my posts become popular. 

[Tippaporn]

55 minutes ago, Sunmaster said:

<Sunmaster rises his heavy bottom from the floor>

 

The same way you already have calf muscles as an inherent part of your body. You don't need to exercise to have those muscles. 

The difference is that meditation trains the whole leg muscles and not just the calf muscles. 

Sure, you can focus on your calf muscles specifically, but if you neglect the rest of the legs, the result will be rather awkward looking.

 

If you are a materialist and don't exercise any of your leg muscles, you basically have no legs to stand on when presenting your arguments. 😄

 

<Tippa's intellectual machinery goes into overdrive>

 

Okay. let's rewind this movie . . .

 

The original . . .

"What I'm clumsily trying to say, is that maybe we shouldn't isolate intuition and view it as something separate, because it's a byproduct of that link strengthening that emerges naturally through meditation."

 

After removing the ads and fillers . . .

 

". . . as something separate . . . it's a byproduct . . .  that emerges . . .  through meditation."

 

Maybe my reading comprehension skills aren't that good.   

 

You'd be surprised to know that I have four legs to stand on.  Resting my arm on my wife's shoulder she then gives me support, too. 

 

Kidding aside, I do get your point, Sunmaster.    (one of the few emoticons that work)  Despite your clumsiness in expressing it at the end. 

[Sunmaster]

31 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

 

Wow, Vince.  You just got Popular Post status.  I never get that.    I got on Sunmaster's case to not be a cheap Charlie on handing out reactions in the hope that with his help I might have more than a snowball's chance in hell of having one of my posts become popular. 

 

The day AN will add an emoji with a condescending, sarcastic smirk, I will hand them out like candies at a kid's birthday party.

Edited January 19 by Sunmaster

[Sunmaster]

4 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

(one of the few emoticons that work) 

Absolutely none of your emojis work. A sign from the Heavens perhaps? hmmm

[Tippaporn]

Maybe this will get me Popular Post status.  If not then I'm going to have some serious reservations about the posters here . . .

 

Edited January 19 by Tippaporn

[Tippaporn]

20 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

They appear as images (or should I say graphical Gestalts) at my end, but they might camouflage as 'conscious texts' on Sunmaster's PC.

 

Testing . . . testing . . . one, two threee . . .

 

               

[Tippaporn]

Just now, Tippaporn said:

 

Testing . . . testing . . . one, two threee . . .

 

               

 

All's well in my world again.  Looks like I needed to clear my browser's cache.

 

But now I have another problem.  When I type the number 3 as text it comes out as threee - with an extra 'e'.    Are you guys seeing this, too?

[Sunmaster]

32 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

 

All's well in my world again.  Looks like I needed to clear my browser's cache.

 

But now I have another problem.  When I type the number 3 as text it comes out as threee - with an extra 'e'.    Are you guys seeing this, too?

Tippa's gone off the rails completely now. 😵‍💫

[Tippaporn]

8 minutes ago, Sunmaster said:

Tippa's gone off the rails completely now. 😵‍💫

 

Hanging around you guys it was bound to happen sooner than later. 

[thaibeachlovers]

On 1/18/2024 at 5:48 PM, Sunmaster said:

You say that as if a threesome were a bad thing...ts ts ts
I thought you were open-minded...

Threesomes are only fun if two are of a different gender to the third.

[thaibeachlovers]

14 hours ago, Sunmaster said:

Absolutely none of your emojis work. A sign from the Heavens perhaps? hmmm

I'm having a problem with emojis as well. Only a few show up as images. I had to put a heart on my last post as the blushing one didn't show.

[thaibeachlovers]

14 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

Maybe this will get me Popular Post status.  If not then I'm going to have some serious reservations about the posters here . . .

 

That's an old photo. I saved that one in the early 2000s. I wonder what she looks like today.

 

Japanese girls are the cheese.

[thaibeachlovers]

18 hours ago, VincentRJ said:

Is there anyone reading this, who would prefer to live in a world devoid of the benefit of modern science? 

I would prefer to live in a world where science is used for the benefit of humans and the planet, not to allow a few to live lux lives of excess while the rest eke out a less than desirable life with drugs and alcohol to blot out their misery.

Not building better weapons to kill each other would be a positive as well.

It doesn't have to be the way it is, but some humans are vile, and greed rules.

[thaibeachlovers]

17 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

Einstein was such a person in the sciences. While he was tainted to some extent by conventional sexual beliefs, he still felt his own personhood in such a way that he gladly took advantage of characteristics considered feminine. As a youngster particularly, he rebelled against male-oriented learning and orientation. This rebellion was psychological — that is, he maintained an acceptable male orientation in terms of sexual activity, but he would not restrain his mind and soul with such nonsense. The world felt the result of his great intuitive abilities, and of his devotion.

—The Nature of the Psyche: Its Human Expression; Chapter 5: Session 772, April 19, 1976

Where is that icon of banging head on brick wall when it is needed?

 

What is it about some people that they have to dress up everything they say in some PC woke gobbledygook?

 

"conventional sexual beliefs" "Personhood" "characteristics considered feminine" "male-oriented learning".

 

[Tippaporn]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

That's an old photo. I saved that one in the early 2000s. I wonder what she looks like today.

 

I wonder what you looked like in the early 2000s versus today. 

[Tippaporn]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Where is that icon of banging head on brick wall when it is needed?

 

What is it about some people that they have to dress up everything they say in some PC woke gobbledygook?

 

"conventional sexual beliefs" "Personhood" "characteristics considered feminine" "male-oriented learning".

 

 

Nothing PC or gobbledygook about it.  As long as we experience ourselves as male and female then sexual beliefs will be formed.  And a lot of those beliefs about our sexual natures are highly distorted.  The degree of distortions varying between cultures.  In other terms we are neither male nor female.  Do you really think God is an old man?  Or is that simply due to our personification of God in which we paint an image of him using the sexual qualities prevalent in our male dominated society?  Why isn't God a woman?

 

Seth is simply speaking to the prevalent beliefs we have about feminine and masculine qualities, which have an effect on us, and applying those beliefs as they exist in western culture to Einstein.  He's showing how those sexual beliefs affected Einstein in particular.  Scientists, especially back in those days, were mainly males.  Females in science were frowned upon.  That's due to the culture distortions of male and female aspects.  We each have both aspects within us but generally the one that takes dominance is determined by our biology.  Gays are evidence of what happens when the opposite sexual aspects of our biological sex are given more play.

[Tippaporn]

22 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

Maybe this will get me Popular Post status.  If not then I'm going to have some serious reservations about the posters here . . .

 

 

Come on. baby.  I need one more reaction to achieve a Popular Post.  Who is gonna do it?  Don't do it for me.  Do it for her.  Look at those beggin' eyes.  Forget what Sunmaster said about not indulging in egotistical corporeal excesses from you lower self.  Go for her!! 

[Sunmaster]

7 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

 

Come on. baby.  I need one more reaction to achieve a Popular Post.  Who is gonna do it?  Don't do it for me.  Do it for her.  Look at those beggin' eyes.  Forget what Sunmaster said about not indulging in egotistical corporeal excesses from you lower self.  Go for her!! 

Don't do it guys. It's just clickbait that takes you to the Seth cult website!

[Tippaporn]

1 hour ago, Sunmaster said:

1 hour ago, Tippaporn said:

 

Come on. baby.  I need one more reaction to achieve a Popular Post.  Who is gonna do it?  Don't do it for me.  Do it for her.  Look at those beggin' eyes.  Forget what Sunmaster said about not indulging in egotistical corporeal excesses from you lower self.  Go for her!! 

Don't do it guys. It's just clickbait that takes you to the Seth cult website!

 

Where everyone gets as many of her as they like.  Forget the 99 virgins the Muslims are offering.  This is unlimited!!   

 

And . . . you get to create 'em just the way you want 'em.  Think Burger King . . . "have it your way!"

 

Viagra not supplied with this offer.

Edited January 20 by Tippaporn

[KhunLA]

11 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

That's an old photo. I saved that one in the early 2000s. I wonder what she looks like today.

 

Japanese girls are the cheese.

Megumi Kagurazaka ...

Edited January 20 by KhunLA

[Sunmaster]

Little showing-off moment for my little achievement. 

 

Yesterday I got my first commission for a watercolor painting. It's for the pet shop owner that keeps my cats alive. I finished it today, painting 10 hours straight. I'm happy.

[Tippaporn]

19 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Megumi Kagurazaka ...

 

I'd still give her a thumbs up!     

[Tippaporn]

12 hours ago, Sunmaster said:

Little showing-off moment for my little achievement. 

 

Yesterday I got my first commission for a watercolor painting. It's for the pet shop owner that keeps my cats alive. I finished it today, painting 10 hours straight. I'm happy.

 

Is that Basil sticking his nose out?    Or is Basil a she? 

 

How much for a portrait?  Of course I'd expect a highly artistic interpretation of me which shows me to be 25. 

[Red Phoenix]

12 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

 

I'd still give her a thumbs up!     

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