Leader of self-styled U.S. citizen border patrol attacked in jail

[Chomper Higgot]

7 minutes ago, Emdog said:

"...she had no information on what precipitated the violence."

He wanted to watch Fox News, and they were watching Game of Thrones. Gotta be the reason

I suspect he’s contemplating whether or not over the years he chose wisely in his use of his First Amendment Rights.

 

 

[Thakkar]

23 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Accusations against Clinton - false. Accusations against Trump - true.

 

FCKU any evidence, biased investigations etc etc.

 

So easy when your political view is good, others bad.

I guess, despite my effort,  re litigation *is* on the cards, so here goes:

 

Trump University scam - settled out of court, with Trump paying compensation.

Trump Foundation - shut down due to self dealing. Still under investigation.

Trump Casinos - multiple fines for money laundering 

Trump and his dad - convicted and fined for law-breaking on rental exclusion

 

Again, just off the top of my head.

 

Clinton: Benghazi, emails, Whitewater - thorough, years long multiple, exhaustive investigations turned up no indictable crimes by her.

 

For Trump, there are still multiple on-going investigations that may yet turn up more crimes.

 

For Hillary, the fact that no indictable crimes were uncovered just proves, in detractors’ eyes, that she is super duper deviously clever. If so, that alone would’ve made her a better President than the dufus Trump who can’t even manage to get away with penny-ante crimes!

[Happy Grumpy]

7 hours ago, webfact said:

She said Hopkins was beaten by three other inmates in the jail's television viewing room, and no weapons were found. Jameson said she had no information on what precipitated the violence.

 

Some Spanish insults, I'd imagine. 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

It would seem, this reprehensible guy was a victim of the same kind of "street" justice he and his thug friends had been dishing out against border crossers for months, totally outside the law. But apparently tolerated by the Border Patrol and local authorities there....until the feds stepped in.

 

Everyone ought to be entitled to the protection of the law -- including those arrested and jailed, those trying to cross into the U.S. legally or not, those trying to apply for asylum here, etc etc... Perhaps this guy will learn the value of that concept in the wake of his recent unlawful beating... But somehow, I'm guessing not.

 

[chilli42]

Perhaps it would have been wise to not have him share the same accommodations as the MS-13 gang members.

[amexpat]

1 hour ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Accusations against Clinton - false. Accusations against Trump - true.

 

FCKU any evidence, biased investigations etc etc.

 

So easy when your political view is good, others bad.

Yes, reality has a liberal bias. 

[farcanell]

4 hours ago, billd766 said:

From the inside. ????

I though that Prison reform had already had a once over (thanks Jared), and that he was tossing a bit of red meat into the cage to see if a greater level of reform was needed, prior to visiting in person..... a trial run, if you will

[MickeyDelux]

what's the difference between a white supremacist and a liberal? Nothing, they both think their better than everyone else. 

[Thakkar]

6 minutes ago, MickeyDelux said:

what's the difference between a white supremacist and a liberal? Nothing, they both think their better than everyone else. 

 

You don’t see any black White Supremacists, so there’s that.

[IAMHERE]

The state takes your freedom then they owe you protection. To lock up a person and not provide for his needs is uncivilized. He is a nasty piece of work but throwing him to the lions is barbarian.

[mlmcleod]

7 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

 

So you condone illegal immigration and illegal violent assaults in prison.

 

Well how liberal of you!

SO, only liberals should always turn the other cheek?  This leader of gun toting fascists makes me want to puke.  I find it ironic that conservative Christians always preach that Jesus said to turn the other cheek and they always seem to do the direct opposite.  Liberals are not in the same violent class as white nationalists but they will not always be sheep.  The conservatives fear that in the worst way!

[billd766]

1 hour ago, IAMHERE said:

The state takes your freedom then they owe you protection. To lock up a person and not provide for his needs is uncivilized. He is a nasty piece of work but throwing him to the lions is barbarian.

https://tenor.com/view/oh-dear-how-sad-never-mind-battery-sergeant-major-williams-gif-11845032

[impulse]

11 hours ago, Thakkar said:

They are directed at the argument I think you are making, and, it is a common argument, not entirely without merit. It is an argument, I feel, borne of exasperation as opposed to hope (or, in the case of Trump voters—anger). At best it is an argument borne of unrealistic hope.

 

There may never be ideal choices, but there are always better choices

 

My apologies if I have missed the gist of your argument by quoting only the point(s) I'm reacting to...

 

In my mind, a vote for Trump wasn't just a vote against HRC.  It was a vote to open the door to future candidates that don't come from a career in politics.  Citizen leaders who come to serve, then go back to live in the country they have created for us.  Like the founding fathers intended.  Not career politicians who latch onto the government tit and never let go.

 

Sadly, it took someone with Trump's outsized ego to kick that door open.  Perot couldn't do it.  Nader- nope.  Others?  The results speak for themselves.  Maybe in 2020, we'll see a Gates, a Buffet, a Hanks, or a Winfrey (just kidding).  None of them would have even considered a run had Trump not kicked the door open for them.  If it takes 4 years of suffering through The Donald to open the door for better candidates in the future, it will have been worth it.  Provided we don't go up in a smoking mushroom cloud between now and then.

 

I'd also point out that his inexperience (incompetence?) at the game is exactly why we're seeing the worst of DC being laid bare with all the investigations going on.  Had we elected the usual suspects, we'd never get to see the shenanigans because they have decades of experience and troops of thousands to hide their dirty deeds.  It's not as if Trump is the first or the worst.  He's just the noob that didn't know how to hide it.

 

Edit:  My big fear is that the Demicans and the Republicrats won't learn their lesson, they'll put up more of the same for their candidates, and they'll get punished with 8 years of Trump.

 

 

 

[utalkin2me]

A beating from most probably Mexicans, classified probably as a hate crime in jail. It sounds to me like he got off easy, this time, with a broken rib. 

 

Having to fear stuff like this is part of your sentence. It is part of the deterent too. If jails were cozy places where you had your own cell and were protected from other prisoners, there would most likely be a lot more crime. 

[Redline]

Terrible picture ????

[Thakkar]

10 hours ago, utalkin2me said:

A beating from most probably Mexicans, classified probably as a hate crime in jail. It sounds to me like he got off easy, this time, with a broken rib. 

 

Having to fear stuff like this is part of your sentence. It is part of the deterent too. If jails were cozy places where you had your own cell and were protected from other prisoners, there would most likely be a lot more crime. 

 

Actually the opposite is true.

Prison systems where inmates are treated with respect, provided safety and reasonable living conditions, along with some training, lead to much lower recidivism rates. The trick is to get the balance right between punishment and rehabilitation. Some countries have figured it out. Others can learn from that and adapt it to their conditions. There’s no need to reinvent the wheel.

 

I’d expand on this, but we’d then be going way off topic.

[Scott]

Off-topic post and reply removed.

[Thakkar]

11 hours ago, impulse said:

 

My apologies if I have missed the gist of your argument by quoting only the point(s) I'm reacting to...

 

In my mind, a vote for Trump wasn't just a vote against HRC.  It was a vote to open the door to future candidates that don't come from a career in politics.  Citizen leaders who come to serve, then go back to live in the country they have created for us.  Like the founding fathers intended.  Not career politicians who latch onto the government tit and never let go.

 

Sadly, it took someone with Trump's outsized ego to kick that door open.  Perot couldn't do it.  Nader- nope.  Others?  The results speak for themselves.  Maybe in 2020, we'll see a Gates, a Buffet, a Hanks, or a Winfrey (just kidding).  None of them would have even considered a run had Trump not kicked the door open for them.  If it takes 4 years of suffering through The Donald to open the door for better candidates in the future, it will have been worth it.  Provided we don't go up in a smoking mushroom cloud between now and then.

 

I'd also point out that his inexperience (incompetence?) at the game is exactly why we're seeing the worst of DC being laid bare with all the investigations going on.  Had we elected the usual suspects, we'd never get to see the shenanigans because they have decades of experience and troops of thousands to hide their dirty deeds.  It's not as if Trump is the first or the worst.  He's just the noob that didn't know how to hide it.

 

Edit:  My big fear is that the Demicans and the Republicrats won't learn their lesson, they'll put up more of the same for their candidates, and they'll get punished with 8 years of Trump.

 

 

 

You make an interesting argument: that we go through the fire and (hopefully) come out the other end, cleansed. And by “we” I mean the whole world, because what happens in America affects everyone.

 

Celebrities talk a good game, because talking (performing, really) in front of cameras is their livelihood. Politics at national levels is a finely honed skill that requires a diversity of knowledge, judgement, contacts and years of relationship building. Complete outsiders going in, overturning things and “fixing the mess” only works in movies because the writers *make* it work. I’m assuming you would’t hire a bus driver to fix your teeth.

 

The current big problem in American politics is that narrow interests have captured the levers of power. A minimum step to correct this is total transparency in who gives how much to whom and how this money is spent. A better solution is to eliminate money in politics, but that’s much harder to achieve, especially as the two new SC justices are corporatist lackeys.

 

The problem isn’t politicians in general, but the specific politicians promoted by those narrow interests. There is also the secondary problem of many parts of the media also being captured by those same narrow interests.

 

Abrupt stop here, because I just remembered have to get to some place and have lost the thread of my thoughts. Sorry.