Retirement extension at Chaengwattana...new TM30 confusion

[morphy9999]

Hi, hope someone can help on this...

 

I am due to apply for a one year extension to my retirement visa at Chaengwattana. I did this last year and at that time Bangkok did not require a TM30, but I hear this may have changed.

 

I am staying in a good quality but small serviced apartment block and they do not do file a TM30 (I know they should, It would be nice if they did...but they dont) which was no problem last year as no checks were made. I usually stay in Thailand for a couple of months at a time, never as long as 90 days so never need a 90 day report.

 

This year I am wondering whether to just go to Chaengwattana and hope they dont check or be prepared to have to queue at a new TM30 desk, pay a fine and receive the needed paperwork, assuming they will do this without proof of address as I do not have a contract. I dont mind the fine, this is Thailand after all, but I dont want to have to wait in a long queue.

 

Or would it be better to checkin to a hotel the night before and use that as my address, as they should file a TM30 if its a good, largish hotel. But even then will I need some kind of TM30 receipt for which I will still have to wait in a long queue to obtain and maybe still pay a fine?

 

Or the third option might be to finally stop bothering with Thailand because this nonsense is really getting to be too much.

 

Thanks

Edited April 28, 2019 by morphy9999

[mtls2005]

Some options I've seen mentioned and discussed here and on FB:

 

Copy of owner's blue book, copy of owner's Thai ID (front & back) both signed in blue ink.

 

Copy of current contract/lease.

 

Signed letter from owner detailing your situation with as many details as possible including address, contact info, telephone no. (with blue book, ID)

 

Any bills showing your current address.

 

 

 

 

 

Are you in the same location as you were for the previous renewal?

 

 

[DrJack54]

Just go to CW for new permission of stay. Where did you hear reports? There was a thread some time back about tm30 needed at CW. That guy was based on marriage. I haven't heard one report of tm30 asked for for extension based on retirement. BTW you can do your own tm30 by post if you wish. I would not. Been CW seven extensions. Never done a tm30. Never done a 90 day report in 7 years. However I do take my lease for condo with me for extension. One new requirement at CW is map showing where you live. 

[mtls2005]

18 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

Never done a tm30.

 

Most of us haven't. I know I haven't, ever in ~ 14 years.

 

Reports of the TM-30 requirement surfaced this week at Chaeng Watthana, maybe they started enforcing it on Tuesday or Wednesday. Any activity requires a TM-30 check, and resolution, including ext/stay (ret or mar) and 90-day reports.

 

Many, many, many threads/reports on this subject over the past few days.

[MeePeeMai]

2 hours ago, mtls2005 said:

Copy of owner's blue book, copy of owner's Thai ID (front & back) both signed in blue ink.

 

Copy of current contract/lease.

 

Signed letter from owner detailing your situation with as many details as possible including address, contact info, telephone no. (with blue book, ID)

 

Any bills showing your current address.

 

Don't forget the signed POA Power of Attorney form (unless your landlord is in tow).

[ubonjoe]

16 minutes ago, MeePeeMai said:

Don't forget the signed POA Power of Attorney form (unless your landlord is in tow).

I have seen nothing stating CW wants that. As far as I know that is only needed in Phuket.

[MeePeeMai]

Just now, ubonjoe said:

I have seen nothing stating CW wants that. As far as I know that is only needed in Phuket.

It's a must have (everytime) at the Chiang Khan IO if self reporting a TM30 without the landlord present.

[attrayant]

2 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

19 minutes ago, MeePeeMai said:

Don't forget the signed POA Power of Attorney form (unless your landlord is in tow).

I have seen nothing stating CW wants that. As far as I know that is only needed in Phuket.

 

I offered this form at CW a few weeks ago when I did my TM30 and it was accepted.  Would they have required it, had I not had it?  Who knows.

[SEtonal]

6 hours ago, mtls2005 said:

 

Most of us haven't. I know I haven't, ever in ~ 14 years.

 

Reports of the TM-30 requirement surfaced this week at Chaeng Watthana, maybe they started enforcing it on Tuesday or Wednesday. Any activity requires a TM-30 check, and resolution, including ext/stay (ret or mar) and 90-day reports.

 

Many, many, many threads/reports on this subject over the past few days.

A few reports came in on April 5th, but I believe CW halted TM30 enforcement during Songkran season.  Two people reported being denied 30 day extensions on their tourist visas and there was a report that 10 Immigration Officers "raided" the lobby of a Bangkok condo on April 4th and demand to see TM30s and TM28s.  

 

https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1093609-tourist-visa-extension-denied-at-immigration-office-due-to-missing-tm30-slip/

 

https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1093484-thai-immigration-check-bangkok/

 

I believe one of the guys got his extension without the TM30 the week after he had been refused, but I don't have a link. 

 

 

[mtls2005]

13 hours ago, MeePeeMai said:

 

Don't forget the signed POA Power of Attorney form (unless your landlord is in tow).

 

Thanks. I did find this document, which seems to designate the power/authority to a third party re: alien reporting.

 

 

Power-of-Attorney-Form.pdf

[ryldar]

I'm in Chiang Mai & when I went to do my 1 yr extension the IO sent me upstairs to the 3rd floor to get my TM 30 recorded even though I had a copy of the TM 30 the condo manager had already filed. I was also told by the IO that it was my responsibility to report within 24 hrs of entering the country personally at the Immig Office which is contrary to what the law says ... at any rate I dutifully did as I was told & about a month later when I returned from a trip I reported to the 3rd floor to do my TM30 as directed only to be told by the people that it wasn't necessary since the condo manager had already filed online like he always does. So apparently the 1st floor doesn't know what's happening on the 3rd floor ... no surprise there I suppose.

[1DegreeN]

When I do my annual retirement extension at my local immigration office in Prachinburi, they want a TM30 with end date being the expiry of the extension next year. Not a new requirement, been like this since I arrived 4 years ago.

[mtls2005]

8 minutes ago, 1DegreeN said:

When I do my annual retirement extension at my local immigration office in Prachinburi, they want a TM30 with end date being the expiry of the extension next year. Not a new requirement, been like this since I arrived 4 years ago.

 

So have you left Thailand and returned, or otherwise been TM-30 registered elsewhere in Thailand, and have a current, recent TM-30? Or do you just use a previously-issued TM-30 receipt? Or do you annually get a new TM-30?

 

 

 

 

[ubonjoe]

26 minutes ago, 1DegreeN said:

When I do my annual retirement extension at my local immigration office in Prachinburi, they want a TM30 with end date being the expiry of the extension next year.

Where do you put the end date on a TM30 form. I do not see any place on it other than your permit to stay date written as "Expire date of stay" on page 2.

[mtls2005]

7 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

I do not see any place on it other than your permit to stay date written as "Expire date of stay" on page 2.

 

That's where I put it, 7th column, "ครบกำหนดอนุญาต Expire date of stay", I used my current expiration date which is in Sep, 2019.

 

This Immigration Excel spreadsheet has all the codes for visa type, arrival point, etc. in tabs within the spreadsheet.

 

 

 

 

 

 

TM30_FORM.xls Address_manual_1.pdf

[SEtonal]

52 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

 

So have you left Thailand and returned, or otherwise been TM-30 registered elsewhere in Thailand, and have a current, recent TM-30? Or do you just use a previously-issued TM-30 receipt? Or do you annually get a new TM-30?

The poster in the link says that Prachinburi Immigration wants a new TM30 every time she and her Cambodian household staff leave and reenter Thailand.  She does 15 to 20 TM30s a year.

 

 

 

[ubonjoe]

35 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

That's where I put it, 7th column, "ครบกำหนดอนุญาต Expire date of stay", I used my current expiration date which is in Sep, 2019.

 

This Immigration Excel spreadsheet has all the codes for visa type, arrival point, etc. in tabs within the spreadsheet.

 

I was replying to his post that it needed a end date meaning that would be when his report expires. A TM30 report never expires.

That form is not used now that the online reporting is up and working. There were several months a couple of years ago that immigration disabled their extranet for security reasons which meant no online reporting by hotels and etc. 

[mtls2005]

5 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

That form is not used now that the online reporting is up and working.

 

I believe the paper TM-30 can still be used? Evidently, some hotels have to fax these in when the online system proves temperamental. They can also be hand-delivered, and mailed, potentially (even emailed, for some offices).

 

It has the same second page column...7th column ครบกำหนดอนุญาต  Expire date of stay

 

 

18 minutes ago, SEtonal said:

The poster in the link says that Prachinburi Immigration wants a new TM30 every time she and her Cambodian household staff leave and reenter Thailand.  She does 15 to 20 TM30s a year.

 

Thanks for that link.

 

 

 

TM30 (1).doc

[chrisinth]

11 hours ago, SEtonal said:

Two people reported being denied 30 day extensions on their tourist visas..............

This is something that I don't understand with things like the TM30 and your average tourist who would stay in hotels, etc. They are never issued TM30 receipts by the hotels (I don't think they could even do that if they wanted) even though they are registered as staying there.

 

How would an 'average' tourist staying in a hotel get around the requirement for a TM30 applying for an extension to their tourist visa? Do immigration check with every application applied for? How well is the TM30 database maintained seeing as a hotel has 24 hours to register their guests? For example, day 1 a tourist signs into a hotel at 10:00 and leaves at 07:00 next morning. Signs into hotel No. 2 at 10:00 and applies for an extension to their tourist visa at 11:00 that day.

 

Where are they staying according to immigration? How would the tourist prove where they were via the required TM30?

[mtls2005]

2 hours ago, chrisinth said:

Do immigration check with every application applied for? How well is the TM30 database maintained seeing as a hotel has 24 hours to register their guests?

 

All good questions.

 

One hypothesis is that there is a "TM-30 Status" now associated with our Immigration record(s), and it may just be "on" or "off", so that all they're looking for is that a TM-30 is "on record". No clue if a subsequent TM-30 alters one's permanent address? No clue what might happen if you use a different address (say on a TM-47, TM-7, et al.) than either the one on a previous TM-30 or that is part of your record, say from a 90-day report?

 

 

[Maestro]

Thank you for uploading those attachments. The address manual looks very helpful.

[mtls2005]

You're welcome. No biggie, they're on this page...

 

https://extranet.immigration.go.th/fn24online/

 

lower right corner, but easy to overlook.

 

Contact list for Immigration is interesting, no email for Div 1 though.

 

 

ContactList (2).xls

[Thingamabob]

Never been asked for this at Chaeng Wattana, or previously at Soi Suan Plu, Sathorn.

[Monkeyrobot]

They gave me the brow last week at CW Div 1

[Monkeyrobot]

Sorry for the spelling, given this brochure at CW Div1 last week. 

[Ketyo]

I went to CW to do my annual non-B extension in January. I went there the day after I'd arrived back from Hong Kong so that I could do a TM30 at the same time. I live in Bangkok in my own condo.

 

I asked for a ticket for the non-B extension line and a ticket for the TM30 line. The IO told me to get the annual non-B extension first and then come back to get a ticket for the TM30.

 

The IOs didn't ask to see a TM30 receipt to get the non-B extension, but when the visa was finally issued it was 4pm and the counter where they give tickets for each line was closed. 

 

So I went home without getting the TM30 and didn't bother to go back. I still haven't ever done a TM30 after 10 years in Bangkok. This was in January and things might have changed. Others have said that it might also depend on your type of visa whether they expect a TM30 receipt.

 

Given the increased chatter about tightening up on the TM30 in Bangkok I decided to apply online for login credentials. I registered as a housemaster on 20th April and immigration sent me a login name and password on 28th April. I will do a TM30 the next time I come back from a trip abroad.