Trump tax returns from 1985 to 1994 show $1 billion in losses - New York Times

[Rimmer]

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[Thakkar]

8 hours ago, OtinPattaya said:

Let's subject the rest of our congress people to the same scrutiny as the left is hellbent on doing with the president and see what we come up with. Better yet, let's do the same with the Clintons. All you sneering blowhards who bash on Trump are a bunch of hypocrites. I could give two sh!ts whether Trump is a good or bad businessman. I only care whether he is leading this country in the right direction. The rest of the West can enjoy a future of doomed socialistic, politically-correct, welfare-mongering mediocrity, which Europe is determined to pursue to its own inevitable demise. I'd rather hitch my wagon to Trump despite all his many warts. 

 

his many warts

 

Actually, he’s ALL warts. Unless one considers racism, misogyny, gluttony, extreme narcissism, uncontrollable penchant for lying, treason, greed, adultery, incompetence, vindictiveness, corruption, homophobia, egomaniacleness, pettiness, cruelty, cowardice, impulsiveness, childish nickname-slinging fatuousness, demagoguery, snowflakery, solipsistic imbecility, shamelessness, fickleness, dishonesty and (have I left anything out?) capriciousness to be attractive features. 

 

the Clintons.

 

Children Don Jr, Ivanka, and Eric, who went on to run Trump biz under blind trust, were all on the Trump presidential transition team. Ivanka is a high level advisor with a WH office next to Trump’s. Son-in-law Kushner is a high level advisor in charge of Middle East Peace, fixing the Opioid crisis, prison reform, reorganizing the entire government, and ten other major initiatives.

Thankfully those corrupt Clintons, with all their conflicts of interest, are gone from politics. 

 

 

[spidermike007]

22 hours ago, Proboscis said:

What have you been smoking? All we know is that when he was crowing about how many billions he was worth (when he "wrote" the Art of the Deal book), he was losing more money than ANYONE ELSE IN THE USA AT THE TIME. He was broke.

 

We do not yet have any evidence as to his taxes in more recent times but I am sure they will come in over time. We do not YET have documentary evidence as to Russian money involvement in his business affairs but there is circumstantial evidence (out of the mouth of his son).

 

No evidence of collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign was found. That is all. That does not mean that there was no collusion between Trump and oligarchs in Russia that are close to the Kremlin. Again, there are strange issues here to do with meetings with Putin with no officials present and so on. And there is also the matter of enrichment in office issues that the journalists have not even had time to dig into.

 

But Trump had better hope that he does two things: one, he wins the next presidential election because if not he will be indicted for obstruction as per the Mueller Report. Two, he had better start listening to legal advice as they are the folks who stop him from comitting crimes and misdemeanors. He better hope that no one gets to challenge the line of the Justice Department that "a sitting president cannot be indicted" too as that could be overturned in time and he could be indicted in office.

 

So, if you are a true Republican, can I suggest that you hitch your horses to a better vehicle, one that does not try to overinflate the US economy and upholds the good oldfashioned principles, such as law and order, civility and international stability. I live in Asia and everywhere I go there is now only one game in town - China. It is as if the USA has floated off into space somewhere.

You make a good point. The campaign slogan should have been "making America less relevant by the day". He is pushing the US off the map, making the country considerably less great with ignorant policies, extreme xenophobia, the destruction of important and long held alliances, and the coddling of dictators, every one of which is able to take him for a ride, due to his gullibility, the ability to extract anything one wants out of him with well placed compliments, and his hubris. He is the most dangerous man on earth, and needs to be contained, by whatever means possible. 

[Thakkar]

2 hours ago, Cryingdick said:

He was friends of the Clintons...

You mean the “cretinous, sleazeball, dishonest, traitorous, pedophile ring running” personal email server using Clintons? What does that make *him*?

Edited May 10, 2019 by Thakkar

[keemapoot]

1 hour ago, Berkshire said:

555555555....probably pretty accurate.  I'll concede that the Trump supporters I've met are not billionaires. 

You know the really funny thing? Most of the Trump supporters are the opposite of Trump. They are honest hard working (working class mostly). And, all of the Republicans I know who are wealthy are merely tolerating this abomination of a President, but anyone of intelligence and education does not buy into his con. 

 

And, as you say, I too, have never met a Trump supporter who had much to his name. The most disenfranchised and struggling seem to be his most ardent supporters. And yet, he has done nothing really to help them other than reaffirm the great white hope and get the borders blocked.

[Kieran00001]

3 hours ago, bristolboy said:

In which he somehow failed to mention that he got hundreds of millions of dollars from his father.

 

He inherited a property portfolio consisting of over 20,000 apartments.  If he hadn't of sold them, he'd be worth twice as much by now.

[Kieran00001]

19 hours ago, justin case said:

usa, who cares, we live in thailand, dare to point some things out here and you are in jail for decades..how come all senators overhere have multi million dollars on a government salary ?  the land of a 1000 millionaire generals, etc...

 

Its called a ruling elite, they are not generals by merit alone, they also come from the right side of the old money, which helps cement the aristocracies place of power.  Its not unusual, its much like the UK and the House of Lords, who are also not millionares from their £150 attendance salary.

[thaibeachlovers]

On ‎5‎/‎8‎/‎2019 at 9:19 PM, TopDeadSenter said:

This has descended into pure comedy. For 3 years it's been bash bash moan whine and more bash. They said we KNOW Trump was avoiding taxes. And now it has been shown he did not avoid taxes, he in fact lost a whole heap of money. The exact 180 degree opposite of what the haters had been claiming. And yep, you know it. They will now do the bash, whine and moan because he lost money. There is just no pleasing some people. This is the 2nd nothing burger in a month after the Russia collusion hoax deflated more spectacularly than the Hindenburg.

 

 I hope Trump takes his this chance to get his ducks in a row so when he leaves office he can swell his bank accounts. I really appreciate his sacrifice taking time away from the cut and thrust of international business to Make America Great Again. If he can trouser a few dollars in the meantime so much the better. Not as if the haters are going to ask for any more tax returns!

It won't stop the haters finding something to complain about though. IF the news is accurate, are any of those been posting that he's been evading taxes going to admit they were wrong, LOL?

Now, I expect the narrative to switch from "he's evading taxes" to "he's a lousy businessman".

Edited May 10, 2019 by thaibeachlovers

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, spidermike007 said:

You make a good point. The campaign slogan should have been "making America less relevant by the day". He is pushing the US off the map, making the country considerably less great with ignorant policies, extreme xenophobia, the destruction of important and long held alliances, and the coddling of dictators, every one of which is able to take him for a ride, due to his gullibility, the ability to extract anything one wants out of him with well placed compliments, and his hubris. He is the most dangerous man on earth, and needs to be contained, by whatever means possible. 

If he does "making America less relevant by the day" come true, that would probably be a good thing for many other countries in the world.

Always look on the bright side of life.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, Thakkar said:

Actually, he’s ALL warts. Unless one considers racism, misogyny, gluttony, extreme narcissism, uncontrollable penchant for lying, treason, greed, adultery, incompetence, vindictiveness, corruption, homophobia, egomaniacleness, pettiness, cruelty, cowardice, impulsiveness, childish nickname-slinging fatuousness, demagoguery, snowflakery, solipsistic imbecility, shamelessness, fickleness, dishonesty and (have I left anything out?) capriciousness to be attractive features.

and your point is?

 

[thaibeachlovers]

2 hours ago, Berkshire said:

555555555....probably pretty accurate.  I'll concede that the Trump supporters I've met are not billionaires. 

Have you ever asked them why they voted for him in preference to the opposition candidate?

Could it be, shock horror, that the opposition candidate was WORSE than him?

Edited May 10, 2019 by thaibeachlovers

[utalkin2me]

3 hours ago, Cryingdick said:

 

It's a constitutional republic made up of states. Stop crying.

I am not crying, I am replying to you where you said the people "need to get out there and vote if they want him out". 

 

They already did, and he lost the popular vote. 

 

To have me not respond the way I did, you would have needed to say something like "just the right people in just the right districts need to get out there and vote to get him out". 

 

Your statement was erroneous, not mine. 

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[Kieran00001]

17 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

It won't stop the haters finding something to complain about though. IF the news is accurate, are any of those been posting that he's been evading taxes going to admit they were wrong, LOL?

Now, I expect the narrative to switch from "he's evading taxes" to "he's a lousy businessman".

 

Actually we are waiting for the returns post the 1990's before making that call.  You appear to be all made up despite not knowing either way, funny.

[Kieran00001]

11 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Have you ever asked them why they voted for him in preference to the opposition candidate?

Could it be, shock horror, that the opposition candidate was WORSE than him?

 

Anything at all that Hillary has been accused of that Donald has not already been proven to be guilty of?

[thaibeachlovers]

12 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

Actually we are waiting for the returns post the 1990's before making that call.  You appear to be all made up despite not knowing either way, funny.

My mind is not "made up", but all this is a waste of time better spent running the country. If Trump had done something wrong on his tax, the IRS would be doing something about it and he wasn't president 3 years ago, so that's not an argument.

So long as he wasn't doing something illegal it's really no one else's business. If the Dems want to see his returns they should draft a law that ALL politicians should show their tax returns and see how far that gets.

[lannarebirth]

29 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

Actually we are waiting for the returns post the 1990's before making that call.  You appear to be all made up despite not knowing either way, funny.

 

And what do you expect to learn from those returns? That you've caught him out in a crime that the IRS somehow missed?

[Kieran00001]

8 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

My mind is not "made up", but all this is a waste of time better spent running the country. If Trump had done something wrong on his tax, the IRS would be doing something about it and he wasn't president 3 years ago, so that's not an argument.

So long as he wasn't doing something illegal it's really no one else's business. If the Dems want to see his returns they should draft a law that ALL politicians should show their tax returns and see how far that gets.

 

You're not made up but also expecting a rather premature applogy, that makes sense.

 

As for the IRS not doing anything, didnt Trump claim he was currently being audited?

 

We don't know if he was doing something illegal, but we do know that he has broken the 60 year old tradition of presidents releasing their tax returns, quite odd that some support him on that, even seek to deny releasing them unless enshrined in law, which by the will be soon, the Trust act is about to go through.

 

Anyway, what happened to honour?  Trump made a deal with Obama, the birth certificate for the tax returns, Obama kept his side of the deal while its taking a new act to force Trump to keep his side.  Great guy you support.

[Kieran00001]

9 minutes ago, lannarebirth said:

 

And what do you expect to learn from those returns? That you've caught him out in a crime that the IRS somehow missed?

 

No, actually I expect to learn that he has lost even more of his daddies money than he admits, not crime just more comedy gold, thanks.

[attrayant]

10 minutes ago, lannarebirth said:

And what do you expect to learn from those returns? That you've caught him out in a crime that the IRS somehow missed?

 

 

Evidence of foreign entanglements, among other things.  You know, the very things Trump said were nonexistent.  And, while foreign entanglements and indebtedness aren't necessarily criminal, they could be evidence that leads to actual crimes or, if not crimes, impeachable offenses.

 

It's the same reason why Deutsche Bank has been subpoenaed.  I don't think it's likely that the bank will be found to have committed crimes, but the paper trails that turn up may lead to criminal activity committed by its customers.

[attrayant]

32 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

all this is a waste of time better spent running the country.

 

If you're a parent, you know that keeping the children from burning down the house is part of running a household.

 

 

Edited May 10, 2019 by attrayant

[lannarebirth]

1 minute ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

No, actually I expect to learn that he has lost even more of his daddies money than he admits, not crime just more comedy gold, thanks.

I think he's worth 3-4 Billion. Mostly from appreciation in some blue chip properties he owns. I doubt if the income is all that high but there have been some fairly substantial capital gains leading to fairly strong equity positions and airly low LTV ratios. The capital gains of course are only taxable if a property is sold.

 

I imagine most years of his corporate and personal tax returns are already settled. Iwouldn't be surprised ifpeople seeing them might be shocked by them but I doubt that there is anything very much unlawful.

 

And that's the thing.  What a lot of people don't realize is that there is a lot of stuff that is "lawful" for some, that would strike most of us as outrageous. You're probably not going to get Trump on his returns but maybe people will wake up to how unfair the US tax code is and how it can be gamed by the very rich. There are literally thousands of Trump like people feeding on this country. Warren Buffet is one of them, but he's got a better PR team.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, attrayant said:

 

If you're a parent, you know that keeping the children from burning down the house is part of running a household.

Agreed, but attempting to say Trump is trying to destroy the US is somewhat ludicrous if one can stop just opposing Trump for the sake of opposing Trump, and look at what he has actually done, though I certainly don't agree with everything he has done.

[thaibeachlovers]

9 minutes ago, attrayant said:

 

Evidence of foreign entanglements, among other things.  You know, the very things Trump said were nonexistent.  And, while foreign entanglements and indebtedness aren't necessarily criminal, they could be evidence that leads to actual crimes or, if not crimes, impeachable offenses.

 

It's the same reason why Deutsche Bank has been subpoenaed.  I don't think it's likely that the bank will be found to have committed crimes, but the paper trails that turn up may lead to criminal activity committed by its customers.

Lot of "could be's" and "may's" in the opposition's playbook. Perhaps we could wait till something actual is proven before claiming that Trump is guilty, "because we think he is".

Edited May 10, 2019 by thaibeachlovers

[Kieran00001]

38 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

all this is a waste of time better spent running the country. 

 

You're not alone in that thought, but don't worry, he'll be gone soon.

[Kieran00001]

Just now, thaibeachlovers said:

Lot of "could be's" and "may's" in the opposition's playbook. Perhaps we could wait till something actual is proven before claiming that Trump is guilty, "because".

 

You could try following your own example and quit asking for appologies before the evidence is available.

[lannarebirth]

12 minutes ago, attrayant said:

 

Evidence of foreign entanglements, among other things.  You know, the very things Trump said were nonexistent.  And, while foreign entanglements and indebtedness aren't necessarily criminal, they could be evidence that leads to actual crimes or, if not crimes, impeachable offenses.

 

It's the same reason why Deutsche Bank has been subpoenaed.  I don't think it's likely that the bank will be found to have committed crimes, but the paper trails that turn up may lead to criminal activity committed by its customers.

 

Actually, the bank has a pretty strong record of committing crimes, specifically money laundering. But borrowing money from a bank that is laundering money is not a crime. Just about all banks launder money, even US banks. The penalties for doing so make the risk worthwhile it seems. Laundering money and tax evasion, and dodgy investment products are pretty much the UK's chief industry.

 

What you want to do if you want to see this end is vote for non establishment figures, as money laundering, tax avoidance and dodgy relationships with the finance industry is what "the establishment" is all about these days. 

[attrayant]

15 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Agreed, but attempting to say Trump is trying to destroy the US is somewhat ludicrous

 

I don't think he's actively attempting to destroy the economy, just like the kids aren't actively trying to burn down the house.  However, both might happen as a result of sheer disregard and incompetence.  Trump is just toying with the economy to the abject benefit of the 1%.

[thaibeachlovers]

9 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

You could try following your own example and quit asking for appologies before the evidence is available.

LOL. I'm not the one claiming that Trump is guilty of a crime, without any evidence of such.

In US law one is innocent unless proven guilty, so I'm not required to prove his innocence.

However, I fully expect the resistance to keep looking for something, anything to convict him of, and I fully expect them to find nothing. IF Trump is found guilty of an actual real crime for which he is convicted, I'll apologise ????

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, attrayant said:

 

I don't think he's actively attempting to destroy the economy, just like the kids aren't actively trying to burn down the house.  However, both might happen as a result of sheer disregard and incompetence.  Trump is just toying with the economy to the abject benefit of the 1%.

In your opinion. In my opinion and in the opinion of many, Trump is doing a good job on the economy.

[Kieran00001]

11 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

LOL. I'm not the one claiming that Trump is guilty of a crime, without any evidence of such.

In US law one is innocent unless proven guilty, so I'm not required to prove his innocence.

However, I fully expect the resistance to keep looking for something, anything to convict him of, and I fully expect them to find nothing. IF Trump is found guilty of an actual real crime for which he is convicted, I'll apologise ????

 

We have already found evidence of tax evasion crimes in his past, although they are beyind the statute of limitations, we already know he is guilty if crimes, but you deperately need to set the goalposts at actual convictions not merely his proven criminal activity, right?  You're a cool guy.