Pheu Thai says it’s never too late for pro-democracy parties to join forces

[webfact]

Pheu Thai says it’s never too late for pro-democracy parties to join forces

 

Photo from Phumtham Wechayachai’s facebook

 

“It is never too late” according to Pheu Thai secretary-general Phumtham Wechayachai, as he made yet another plea for all pro-democracy parties to join hands in a coalition to bring the country out of political stalemate.

 

Mr. Phumtham’s latest appeal via Facebook today was apparently aimed at the Democrat and Bhumjaithai parties after talks between the Democrats and the Palang Pracharat over the agriculture portfolio ended in deadlock, prompting the Democrat party to postpone indefinitely its meeting of the executive committee and MPs to decide whether the party should join the Palang Pracharat-led coalition.

 

The Pheu Thai secretary-general said that the chances of Palang Pracharat forming a coalition government appeared to be slimming as the days pass and, even if the party ultimately succeeds, the government would be shaky because of its narrow majority in the House of Representatives.

 

Full story: https://www.thaipbsworld.com/pheu-thai-says-its-never-too-late-for-pro-democracy-parties-to-join-forces/

 

 

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[Mavideol]

good luck, keep trying, still have 5 years to achieve, one never know !!!!

[hansnl]

PT & Democracy?

In one sentence?

Wow!

[webfact]

Pheu Thai makes impassioned plea for parties to unite for the people’s interest

By The Nation

 

Pheu Thai party’s secretary-general Phumtham Wechayachai//his Facebook

 

The anti-junta Pheu Thai Party on Wednesday called for all elected parties to unite to amend the Constitution and to bargain on behalf of the people’s interests following an election that followed “screwed up” rules in order to maintain the military’s power.

 

“Today, I believe that everyone has seen how unfair the 2017 constitution is. This charter is the work of the National Council for Peace and Order in its effort to retain power,” Pheu Thai party’s secretary-general Phumtham Wechayachai posted to his Facebook.

 

“The important point is the constitution allows appointed senators to vote for a premier,” he said.

 

“We now see the political style of the pro-junta camp led by Phalang Pracharat Party. They have tried to form a government, but their political deal is unsettled. Also, they have only a small chance of forming the government due to their weak negotiations.

 

On the other hand, they may face a problem of political stability if they can form a new government, as they do not have more than half the seats in Parliament,” Phumtham said.

 

However, if the pro-junta coalition failed to form government with strong majority support from the House of Representatives, they might form a minority-backed government and then dissolve Parliament for a new election, he said.

 

No politician from that camp would from now on pay much attention to the national interest and the people, he charged.

 

The powers that be will use all means to retain power and Phalang Pracharat Party would try to continue with the same old premier, Phumtham said.

 

“Where is the people in their power play?” Phumtham asked.

 

The result of the re-election in Chiang Mai’s 8th constitution last week indicated that people want to run away from Prayut’s regime, he added.

 

The Future Forward Party overwhelmingly won the poll, but party list calculation gave two seats to the Democrat and Phalang Pracharat parties.

 

Such “screwed up” rules of the game needed to be corrected, he said.

 

“Through a constitutional amendment and by solving the problems of people, the parties that have a purpose in opposing a [continuation of the military] junta have to join together to find the solution for the country, so it's not too late to change your mind,” Phumtham posted.

 

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/politics/30370202

 

-- © Copyright The Nation 2019-05-29

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[pornprong]

40 minutes ago, hansnl said:

PT & Democracy?

In one sentence?

Wow!

As the current situation illustrates, without democracy, PT are nothing.

There is a very real reason why the world's press describe PT as being the pro-democracy side.

 

If you want a real wow factor, put PPRP and democracy in the same sentence.

 

Democratic Thailand = PT government and no amount of "but but Thaksin" nonsense from closeted fascists will change that fact.

[Eric Loh]

33 minutes ago, webfact said:

However, if the pro-junta coalition failed to form government with strong majority support from the House of Representatives, they might form a minority-backed government and then dissolve Parliament for a new election, he said.

Now that will be an Amazing Thailand moment to have the 1st democratic country in the world with a minority government and a PM appointed by the senators. What a laughing stock it will be; a kind of pariah state. 

[seajae]

when the ptp is no where near a party that has democratic beliefs this is just another total joke, they are in it for their boss and themselves and will use any BS to get there just like all the other parties in Thailand, none of them can be trusted

[phantomfiddler]

Pheu Thai wouldn,t know what democracy was if a bucketful of it hit them in the ear !

[edwinchester]

9 minutes ago, phantomfiddler said:

Pheu Thai wouldn,t know what democracy was if a bucketful of it hit them in the ear !

PT always came to power through the ballot box.

The military through how many coup, 20 now isn't it?

[sweatalot]

1 hour ago, pornprong said:

There is a very real reason why the world's press describe PT as being the pro-democracy side.

There might very well be reason - which has nothing to do with democracy

Edited May 29, 2019 by sweatalot

[Artisi]

Does it really matter, at the rate all this argy-bargy is progressing there won't be a government until the next elections are due, what's that - in 4 years time? 

[yellowboat]

5 hours ago, webfact said:

even if the party ultimately succeeds, the government would be shaky because of its narrow majority in the House of Representatives.

Watching cha cha get ridiculed over the next few years by the elected, would be a nice consolation prize. 

Edited May 29, 2019 by yellowboat

[Ozman52]

8 minutes ago, Matzzon said:

Would you just feel free to tell us which of the parties that would be a better choice, just because you choosed to blame one of them, please.

I guess that would be any party that doesn't pay its MPs to be members (as long as they vote the party line), and doesn't allow a fugitive criminal to skype into cabinet meetings to give orders. 

[Bundooman]

12 hours ago, phantomfiddler said:

Pheu Thai wouldn,t know what democracy was if a bucketful of it hit them in the ear !

But if you think the alternative is better, then maybe you wouldn't know it either, bucketful or not.....

 

 

[harada]

Obviously the brown envelopes are not fat enough yet.

[JAG]

16 hours ago, hansnl said:

PT & Democracy?

In one sentence?

Wow!

I know you and many don't like them, I know that arguably they are corrupt (hardly unique in the Thai political spectrum) but they have always won power through the ballot box, have offered themselves for re-election when appropriate, and appear to be the choice of many, the largest group, among the Thai electorate. They have not taken power in a military coup, ruled by decree,  arranged a cynically and blatantly rigged an election to remain in power. Neither did they, when in power, rely on threats (attitude adjustment) including the threat of confiscation of assets if you continue to voice an opinion. 

 

So yes, although flawed, the party and the governments which it formed are far more "democratic" than the bunch of uniformed shysters who hijacked the country (during an entirely legal and constitutional election you will recall), have run it for 5 years at the behest and benefit of their wealthy sponsors, and are now attempting to renew their power through epic gerrymandering.

 

 

[Artisi]

46 minutes ago, JAG said:

I know you and many don't like them, I know that arguably they are corrupt (hardly unique in the Thai political spectrum) but they have always won power through the ballot box, have offered themselves for re-election when appropriate, and appear to be the choice of many, the largest group, among the Thai electorate. They have not taken power in a military coup, ruled by decree,  arranged a cynically and blatantly rigged an election to remain in power. Neither did they, when in power, rely on threats (attitude adjustment) including the threat of confiscation of assets if you continue to voice an opinion. 

 

So yes, although flawed, the party and the governments which it formed are far more "democratic" than the bunch of uniformed shysters who hijacked the country (during an entirely legal and constitutional election you will recall), have run it for 5 years at the behest and benefit of their wealthy sponsors, and are now attempting to renew their power through epic gerrymandering.

 

 

Forgetting the politics involved, a fair, balanced, and accurate comment. 

[Baerboxer]

20 hours ago, pornprong said:

As the current situation illustrates, without democracy, PT are nothing.

There is a very real reason why the world's press describe PT as being the pro-democracy side.

 

If you want a real wow factor, put PPRP and democracy in the same sentence.

 

Democratic Thailand = PT government and no amount of "but but Thaksin" nonsense from closeted fascists will change that fact.

 

PTP describe themselves as being "pro-democracy" - another one of their many lies as they are nothing more than puppets of the Shiniwattra family.

 

Recognizing crooks for being crooks doesn't make anyone a fascist. Recognizing that a Shin kelptocracy likely leads to "democracy" Hun Sen style is obvious to anyone with an open mind.

 

One wonders why some farangs have closed minds and keep pretending the PTP and Thaksin aren't what they really are?

[Baerboxer]

4 hours ago, JAG said:

I know you and many don't like them, I know that arguably they are corrupt (hardly unique in the Thai political spectrum) but they have always won power through the ballot box, have offered themselves for re-election when appropriate, and appear to be the choice of many, the largest group, among the Thai electorate. They have not taken power in a military coup, ruled by decree,  arranged a cynically and blatantly rigged an election to remain in power. Neither did they, when in power, rely on threats (attitude adjustment) including the threat of confiscation of assets if you continue to voice an opinion. 

 

So yes, although flawed, the party and the governments which it formed are far more "democratic" than the bunch of uniformed shysters who hijacked the country (during an entirely legal and constitutional election you will recall), have run it for 5 years at the behest and benefit of their wealthy sponsors, and are now attempting to renew their power through epic gerrymandering.

 

 

 

Reasonable comments.

 

But democracy is more than the ballot box. Once you have an elected government refusing to obey the law, threatening judges, refusing to accept court decisions unless they're favorable ones; then you loose any claim to being democratic.

 

Being elected does not bestow the right to do as you please. To pretend it does is flaunting democracy.

 

There is nothing democratic about a Junta appointed government whose only avenue to legitimization is to be seen to be whiter than white, unblemished. And as we see, that ain't likely either.

 

Unfortunately real democracy is a foreign concept here to be paid lip service too. As it is in many other nations.

[Eric Loh]

46 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Reasonable comments.

 

But democracy is more than the ballot box. Once you have an elected government refusing to obey the law, threatening judges, refusing to accept court decisions unless they're favorable ones; then you loose any claim to being democratic.

 

Being elected does not bestow the right to do as you please. To pretend it does is flaunting democracy.

 

There is nothing democratic about a Junta appointed government whose only avenue to legitimization is to be seen to be whiter than white, unblemished. And as we see, that ain't likely either.

 

Unfortunately real democracy is a foreign concept here to be paid lip service too. As it is in many other nations.

Don’t disagree much. The first stage of a democratic process is participatory election. Then after the government will have to safeguard political rights and civil liberties.  A free press important and so is rule of law. The junta failed all that. Thaksin allowed himself to be held accountable by the people but he also failed in many aspects.

 

Most Asian countries only subscribed to democracy relatively recent. All these countries had very turbulent past whether they were colonized or by military dictatorship. Democracy have given them a voice to involved in decision making and most have become better developed and better standard of living. Yes, agree it’s still learning curve but compare to the past, democracy is still the right system for them compare what they experienced in their past.