Sending food back to the kitchen?

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Trump flaunts 'secret' migration deal already revealed by Mexico

By Makini Brice and Dave Graham

 

U.S. President Donald Trump speaks to the news media as he departs for travel to Iowa from the South Lawn of the White House in Washington, U.S., June 11, 2019. REUTERS/Leah Millis

 

WASHINGTON/MEXICO CITY (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump brandished a document on Tuesday confirming details of a regional asylum project agreed with Mexico to stave off threatened tariffs, saying the plan was "secret" even though Mexican officials had revealed much of it.

 

Trump, who has made containing illegal immigration a priority issue and has blamed Mexico for the problem since running for office in 2016, did not show the text of any document or give any details. However, a Reuters photograph of the sheet of paper allowed reporters to read parts of it.

 

Under duress because of Trump's threat to impose tariffs unless Mexico stemmed a surge in migrants that has overwhelmed U.S. detention facilities and immigration courts, Mexico signed a pact last week agreeing to control the flow of people from Central America, including deploying 6,000 members of a new national guard along its border with Guatemala.

 

Mexico's foreign minister, Marcelo Ebrard, said Mexico also agreed to a 45-day timeline to show increased enforcement efforts were effective in reducing the people flows. If that fails, Mexico has agreed to consider a longstanding U.S. demand that Central American asylum seekers crossing through Mexico apply for refuge there, not the United States, making Mexico a "safe third country," a demand that Mexico has long rejected.

 

"Safe third country could be applied if we fail, and we accept what they say," Ebrard said on Tuesday evening, noting that Mexican legislators would then give consideration to accommodating a change in migration law.

 

Nevertheless, Ebrard said other Latin American countries should share the burden, something that the United States appeared to have agreed to.

 

The document that Trump waved at reporters laid out "a regional approach to burden-sharing in relation to the processing of refugee status claims to migrants"; talked of "45 days"; and said Mexico had committed to immediately examine its laws and rules to enable it to implement such an agreement.

 

DAILY PROGRESS

Asylum is at the core of Trump's concerns about a surge in undocumented migration because a large proportion of the people apprehended at the U.S.-Mexican border say they are fleeing violence and repression. Since many travel with children - who cannot be held in detention long-term - they are released into the United States to await the resolution of their asylum cases, something the president calls "catch and release."

 

Many migrants say they are afraid of returning to their home countries, which triggers a U.S. immigration court process that can take months or years to resolve due to backlogs in the system. In January, the Trump administration began sending thousands of migrants back to Mexico to wait there instead.

 

Ebrard said those asylum seekers would start being returned to wait out their cases in Mexico via three more cities, which officials will decide on Friday.

Deployment of the national guard on Mexico's border with Guatemala would begin on Wednesday, he added.

 

The vast majority of undocumented migrants arriving in the United States are from Central America, but significant numbers have also been arriving in recent months from Cuban and Haiti, via Panama, and from African countries, often via Brazil.

 

In comments on Monday, U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said the United States would evaluate "daily" the progress of Mexico's efforts. In an apparent reference to the regional asylum concept, he said the United States was also talking to Brazil, Central American nations and Panama.

 

Vice President Mike Pence also referred to a regional approach, suggesting Guatemala could receive asylum seekers from its neighbours.

 

"We also reached an agreement with Guatemala to reform our laws to essentially say that if people are looking for asylum they ought to be willing to apply for asylum in the first safe country in which they arrive. We'll only move on to that if it's necessary," Pence told the Fox News Channel's "Special Report with Bret Baier" on Monday.

 

BORDER INFRASTRUCTURE

Revealing more details of Mexico's strategy for rapidly putting the brakes on immigration, Ebrard said on Tuesday that border infrastructure on its southern frontier would be improved significantly. To meet its commitments to Washington, Mexican migration facilities in the south need to be revamped, he said.

 

"You go to the south and the first thing you ask yourself is 'Right, where's the border?' There's nothing. The idea is to make the south like the north as far as possible," he said.

 

Over the weekend there was no sign that Mexico had started to harden the border, with migrants and locals crossing a river on rafts in sight of a busy official port of entry.

 

(Reporting by Dave Graham in Mexico City and Makini Brice in Washington; Additional reporting by Noe Torres and Hugh Bronstein in Mexico City, Susan Heavey in Washington and Mica Rosenberg in New York; Writing by Frank Jack Daniel; Editing by Susan Thomas, Dan Grebler and Leslie Adler)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2019-06-12

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[Tug]

Does he really expect us to believe that?really!he is beyond belief 

[keith101]

Just more lies from the liar in charge and his followers either believe it really just don't care .

[TopDeadSenter]

I appreciate his efforts here. It was truly a joy to see the Mexican bigwigs snap to attention like eager cadets, and go running to Washington. Trump showing his Alpha credentials once again. Now let's see the Mexicans continue to stop the caravans and enforce proper security measures along their southern border. I'm sure they will. 25% tariffs on Mexican goods will ruin them. Nice play, Donald. Very nice indeed.

[Tug]

Nope just Donald adding to his 10,000 lies he has no credibility on the world stage

[candide]

Mexico, Guatemala, etc... simply don't have the financial resources to do it.... If there is no financing, it will not work.

[simple1]

40 minutes ago, candide said:

Mexico, Guatemala, etc... simply don't have the financial resources to do it.... If there is no financing, it will not work.

Hasn't trump done a U Turn and agreed to aid funding for Central American countries as well as for Mexico for additional security plus processing & holding asylum seekers. On the downside one can assume local  resentment of asylum seekers in the poor towns and cities leading to instability. How the US and regional powers believe refoulement will not create even more problems is to say the least, strange.

Edited June 12, 2019 by simple1

[candide]

1 hour ago, TopDeadSenter said:

I appreciate his efforts here. It was truly a joy to see the Mexican bigwigs snap to attention like eager cadets, and go running to Washington. Trump showing his Alpha credentials once again. Now let's see the Mexicans continue to stop the caravans and enforce proper security measures along their southern border. I'm sure they will. 25% tariffs on Mexican goods will ruin them. Nice play, Donald. Very nice indeed.

Lol!

"The deal to avert tariffs that President Trumpannounced with great fanfare on Friday night consists largely of actions that Mexico had already promised to take in prior discussions with the United States over the past several months, according to officials from both countries who are familiar with the negotiations."

"After nine days of uncertainty, Mr. Trump backed down and accepted Mexico’s promises." 

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/08/us/politics/trump-mexico-deal-tariffs.html?module=inline

 

 

[zydeco]

A shameless liar. Nothing he says is worthy of trust or belief. He is someone who seems to believe that lying is a virtue, making him the most virtuous man in human history. Baron Munchausen lives in the White House.

[bristolboy]

12 hours ago, simple1 said:

Hasn't trump done a U Turn and agreed to aid funding for Central American countries as well as for Mexico for additional security plus processing & holding asylum seekers. On the downside one can assume local  resentment of asylum seekers in the poor towns and cities leading to instability. How the US and regional powers believe refoulement will not create even more problems is to say the least, strange.

One of the big problems, among many, is that the Mexican National Guard troops that are going to be sent to the Guatemalan border weren't trained for this kind of work. They were supposed to be doing standard law enforcement.

"But the national guard, which was proposed by President Andrés Manual López Obrador and ratified by Mexico’s Congress in March, was never presented to Mexicans as a tool of border security or migration enforcement. It has not received the training of a border patrol agency and has no formal connection to the country’s migration authority. It was intended instead to fill the security void left by Mexico’s ineffective and often corrupt local law enforcement agencies as violence here continues to climb."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/with-border-deployment-mexicos-new-national-guard-gets-its-first-big-mission/2019/06/10/91564d14-8ad2-11e9-b6f4-033356502dce_story.html?utm_term=.92f26da840a9

The thing is, Mexico has already instituted much stricter immigration controls. And they still don't work. It's bizarre that some people think that somehow Mexicans will be able to do what Americans can't: create highly impermeable borders.

 

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[Pedrogaz]

How many lies do you have to tell to be a liar?  Trump lies habitually. Indeed he would never tell the truth if there was any opportunity to tell a lie.

My question is....those 40 odd % who gave him a thumbs up in the approval rating survey....do they actually believe him? They must be dumb as stumps.

[nahkit]

In his case, secret just means that no-one at the White House had read it to him.

[wombat]

Premier of Queensland Sir Johannes Bjelke-Petersen RIP referred to the media as his 'chooks'.
every afternoon he would throw them some corn to squabble over.
I'm sure Trump took a page from Joh's playbook coz thats exactly how Trump treats his.
Kudos President Trump.

[simple1]

12 minutes ago, wombat said:

Premier of Queensland Sir Johannes Bjelke-Petersen RIP referred to the media as his 'chooks'.
every afternoon he would throw them some corn to squabble over.
I'm sure Trump took a page from Joh's playbook coz thats exactly how Trump treats his.
Kudos President Trump.

Good comparison - Petersen's administration was completely corrupt, plus he attempted to stifle the press.

[Emdog]

"...did not show the text of any document or give any details"

He said he wouldn't share it because Mexico wanted to announce it. Mexican foreign minister earlier said there was no "secret agreement"

Be interesting to see who is lying.

Know where my money would be bet, if I were a gambling man. Probably couldn't get good odds...

[Orton Rd]

22 minutes ago, Boon Mee said:

Well done Donald. Proved all those haters and Nattering Nabobs of Negativism wrong again by getting the Mexicans on board - the Beast Train shuttling thousands of more migrants has been grounded. 

 

MAGA! ???? 

Whatever he does the haters moan, smear, criticize and cry, he just laughs it off. On wards and upwards Mr President!

[Jingthing]

Whatever he does the haters moan, smear, criticize and cry, he just laughs it off. On wards and upwards Mr President!

I can't ever get used to or ever accept a criminally corrupt carnival barker Twitter troll president. Too much damage to the credibility of the USA internationally. Even our allies have backed off

 

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[Orton Rd]

What allies have backed off, the USA does not really need allies that back of or not from president to president.

[jany123]

30 minutes ago, Orton Rd said:

What allies have backed off, the USA does not really need allies that back of or not from president to president.

Or.... allied nations are finally accepting that they can’t really afford to be chained to the unpredictability vagaries posed by a partial democracy which has faulty systems of checks and balances on its leadership, and therefore need to distance themselves from the unbalanced world order which emerged during the second half of the 20th century, as a result of its war mongering and profiteering.

 

the US reminds me of Macaulay Culkin. Too rich, too popular and too young, without the mental acuity to deal with it, hi-lighting the wisdom of the old adage stating that one should never put all of ones eggs in the one basket.

Edited June 12, 2019 by jany123

[Sujo]

41 minutes ago, Orton Rd said:

What allies have backed off, the USA does not really need allies that back of or not from president to president.

And to keep allies the US needs to show condistency but upholding agreements president to president.

[sfokevin]

Kudos for solving the problem!!!...

Now there is no need to build a wall!... 

#MissionAccomplished #ConManDon

 

Edited June 12, 2019 by sfokevin

[candide]

1 hour ago, Emdog said:

"...did not show the text of any document or give any details"

He said he wouldn't share it because Mexico wanted to announce it. Mexican foreign minister earlier said there was no "secret agreement"

Be interesting to see who is lying.

Know where my money would be bet, if I were a gambling man. Probably couldn't get good odds...

There is an interesting feature of this document....

 

"1) The first question is obviously whether the document is legitimate. It is signed by two people, that we can see, but neither of these signatures are from the countries’ respective presidents, top diplomats or ambassadors to the other country. They appear to belong to Marik A. String, the U.S. deputy assistant secretary of state for political-military affairs, and Alejandro Celorio Alcantara, a deputy legal adviser in Mexico’s Foreign Ministry."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/06/11/post-photographer-snapped-an-image-trumps-alleged-secret-mexico-deal-heres-what-it-says/?utm_term=.80cf4f90f7c1

[spidermike007]

It has been proven by now, that anytime Trump is involved in a negotiation, expectations have to be kept very low. He is a terrible negotiator. NO is not a negotiating tool. He thinks the big stick is his stock in trade. It may have worked when he was buying small apartment houses from guys who really needed to sell. But, it does not work with China. Not with Xi, who outshines this guy by 70 IQ points. 

 

Now, we find out all of the concessions that Mexico offered, were worked out 6 months ago. It was a big show. They were probably warned in advance of the threat. That is just who this guy is. Not a sincere or well intentioned bone in his entire body.

 

Lock him up! Donald. Get ready for prison. It awaits you after you are charged with multiple felonies, in 19 months, after you lose the election. Bye Bye Don. 

[Dumbastheycome]

6 hours ago, Orton Rd said:

Whatever he does the haters moan, smear, criticize and cry, he just laughs it off. On wards and upwards Mr President!

Who will have the  last and meaningful  laugh? On wards  maybe but upwards? Maybe  standing  too long on the head  can alter perception?

[Tug]

7 hours ago, Orton Rd said:

What allies have backed off, the USA does not really need allies that back of or not from president to president.

That is the (censored)comment I’ve ever heard are you actually thinking having allies is bad?donald has pissed off every country on the planet and gotten squat in return if you creat anything your costs have gone up because of Donald’s un allied trade fiasco and now we have to pay to support the farmers because mr fiasco wrecked their markets that being said China needs to be dealt with with allies not alone 

[metisdead]

A troll post containing a trolling representation of Trump's name has been removed.  If you do not want your post to be removed, please spell people's name correctly. 

[Trouble]

A new Harvard study (not exactly the bastion of conservatism) again relates how mass immigration of low skilled workers affects the lower and middle classes because it keeps wages low.  Labor is a part of supply and demand. The more the supply of cheap labor the lower the wages.  Simple economics really. Is there really any wonder there is a widening gap between wealthy and poor?  The liberal solution to wages is to increase the minimum wage.  This increases the prices of goods which only hurts the poor more. It's almost laughable there is so little understanding of basic economics.  The supposed core values of welcoming the poor from around the world with open arms which all the Dem candidates are trying to sell is only hurting the legal immigrants and the poor and middle classes. Further no one can convince me that these illegal immigrants don't cost that taxpayers more in services than is collected in taxes from them.  Most work in the underground economy anyway.  It's a net loss all around.

[bristolboy]

3 minutes ago, Trouble said:

A new Harvard study (not exactly the bastion of conservatism) again relates how mass immigration of low skilled workers affects the lower and middle classes because it keeps wages low.  Labor is a part of supply and demand. The more the supply of cheap labor the lower the wages.  Simple economics really. Is there really any wonder there is a widening gap between wealthy and poor?  The liberal solution to wages is to increase the minimum wage.  This increases the prices of goods which only hurts the poor more. It's almost laughable there is so little understanding of basic economics.  The supposed core values of welcoming the poor from around the world with open arms which all the Dem candidates are trying to sell is only hurting the legal immigrants and the poor and middle classes. Further no one can convince me that these illegal immigrants don't cost that taxpayers more in services than is collected in taxes from them.  Most work in the underground economy anyway.  It's a net loss all around.

Actually, it's your understanding of economics which is defective. Since the minimum wage is only a component of the cost of the goods, but a minimum wage  worker receives the whole benefit of the minimum wage, then that worker has to come out ahead. Of course, undocumented workers working for less than the minimum wage would be hurt. Are they the objects of your concern? 

 

If Republicans really wanted to put a dent in the hiring of undocumented workers, they could push making it a felony for employers to do so and strengthen e-verify. Fat chance.

[Sujo]

42 minutes ago, Trouble said:

A new Harvard study (not exactly the bastion of conservatism) again relates how mass immigration of low skilled workers affects the lower and middle classes because it keeps wages low.  Labor is a part of supply and demand. The more the supply of cheap labor the lower the wages.  Simple economics really. Is there really any wonder there is a widening gap between wealthy and poor?  The liberal solution to wages is to increase the minimum wage.  This increases the prices of goods which only hurts the poor more. It's almost laughable there is so little understanding of basic economics.  The supposed core values of welcoming the poor from around the world with open arms which all the Dem candidates are trying to sell is only hurting the legal immigrants and the poor and middle classes. Further no one can convince me that these illegal immigrants don't cost that taxpayers more in services than is collected in taxes from them.  Most work in the underground economy anyway.  It's a net loss all around.

Can always prosecute the companies that hire them. Still havent heard anyone address why thats not done.

 

take away the jobs and they wont come.