Trump says 'Iran did do it,' as U.S. seeks support on Gulf oil tanker attacks

[Cryingdick]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Let Norway deal with that.

That's the funny thing. Iran hit the wrong people along with the Japanese. We can let Norway deal with it, if that's what they want. However Japan is an ally and Abe was in Iran trying to cool it down when they hit their boat. The Japanese tend to be opposed to war but it is a big deal to them when they are attacked.

 

The issue is Iran doesn't own and can not be allowed to control or threaten sovereign countries in the strait.

[Morch]

2 hours ago, canuckamuck said:

Sure, Iran has no interest in a war, unless they are totally nuts. For the other guys, war is the family business.

 

Iran might not be interested in an all-out war, making things dire prior to negotiations? Maybe yes.

[Cryingdick]

2 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

Iran might not be interested in an all-out war, making things dire prior to negotiations? Maybe yes.

 

If choking one's self to death is the goal Iran is a winner. Let's see what happens with the Norwegian crew.

[Morch]

1 hour ago, Topdoc said:

Why the need for an entire boatload of people to watch their colleague remove an extremely dangerous, unexploded mine from a bobbing boat?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id-bQqmqlsg

 

I don't know, and I agree that they don't look too...professional. Apparently more details now about missiles shot at drones and such. Hopefully a clearer (as to both footage and analysis) image will emerge before long.

[CGW]

14 minutes ago, porphyry said:

Change the headlines and to garner support to prop up his diminishing base

So far he has resisted war, which is more than can be said for his predecesors, the silent majority still seem to support while the progressive/Lefties are determined to "persuade" everybody and anybody that what they say is the only way, (communism?) from what I can make out. Hopefully there is no "war" as those responsible - as usual will hide while the innocent uniformed "cannon fodder" and civilians will be slaughtered - collateral damage as Bomber Bolton refers to them.

[canuckamuck]

1 minute ago, Morch said:

 

Iran might not be interested in an all-out war, making things dire prior to negotiations? Maybe yes.

Iran might be. They are a wildcard for sure. I can't see it going any direction other than a quagmire and Iran becoming another Libya, Iraq, Syria... Lots of bombs being sold though, ka-ching!

[Cryingdick]

If the crew from the Norwegian ship is held in Iran I expect apologies from the uninformed leftists.

[Tug]

39 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:

So who did it? If the Norwegian crew is in fact hold hostage in Iran will you accept the reality?

With all due respect if that crew were being held hostage the Media here would be going bonkers Donald would be bellowing from the White House lawn his stubby little thumbs would be a twittering at twice the speed of light get a grip lol if it’s that dangerous then convoys and escorts are in order not a war

[Cryingdick]

6 minutes ago, Tug said:

With all due respect if that crew were being held hostage the Media here would be going bonkers Donald would be bellowing from the White House lawn his stubby little thumbs would be a twittering at twice the speed of light get a grip lol if it’s that dangerous then convoys and escorts are in order not a war

If I am right, you agree to be quiet?

 

[Pedrogaz]

The US have been organising false flags and outright lies since the battleship Maine, the gulf of Tonkin, gas attacks in Syria, weapons of mass destruction in Iraq as a pretext for war. This strategy is getting very stale indeed. Every member of the administration is a known serial liar, especially Pompeo, and the 'intelligence' services provide unsupported nonsense to suit the political purpose.

I for one no leg believe anything that comes from the administration in DC, the Pentagon, the CIA or the FBI. If they told be it was sunny outside, I'd have to run outside to see for myself, that's how much faith I have in US leadership.

[Cryingdick]

2 minutes ago, Pedrogaz said:

The US have been organising false flags and outright lies since the battleship Maine, the gulf of Tonkin, gas attacks in Syria, weapons of mass destruction in Iraq as a pretext for war. This strategy is getting very stale indeed. Every member of the administration is a known serial liar, especially Pompeo, and the 'intelligence' services provide unsupported nonsense to suit the political purpose.

I for one no leg believe anything that comes from the administration in DC, the Pentagon, the CIA or the FBI. If they told be it was sunny outside, I'd have to run outside to see for myself, that's how much faith I have in US leadership.

 

Norway. Japan.

[Kasane]

War drums. Economic sanctions that strangle countries. Unhinged twitter tirades against other countries leaders. Why is America becoming a rogue nation?

[RobbyXNorway]

1 hour ago, Longcut said:

Since the U.S. is awash in oil. I think the rest of the world should deal with this. It will be a very cold winter in Europe and Asia if they don't get a handle on it. Since the U.S. doesn't have many registered oil tankers. Let the countries these ships belong to deal with it.

 

"Awash in oil"? LOL...its not. You might think so, but its not. Your shale oil will run dry in a few short years, and you are already in trouble because the shale oil is extremely light and needs to be mixed with heavy crude oil. Why did you think the US wanted to "regime change" Venezuela? A hint: Venezuelan oil is very heavy crude oil. Perfect to mix with US light shale oil.

 

As for this episode, its just another Gulf of Tonkin attempt. Disgusting warmongering. And not by Iran.

[Tug]

11 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:

If I am right, you agree to be quiet?

 

No and don’t assume I’m a (leftist)I can live and agree with (much) of the message it’s the messenger that’s the issue (I’m talking about trump here) all war sucks it’s escort and convoy time 

[RobbyXNorway]

5 minutes ago, Kasane said:

War drums. Economic sanctions that strangle countries. Unhinged twitter tirades against other countries leaders. Why is America becoming a rogue nation?

If you look back on history you will find that America has pretty much always been a rogue nation since they escaped the collars of the British Empire. The only difference is that its becoming more and more obvious and more countries seem to step away from the mad dog. Obama, Trump or Hillary Clinton...its the same shitshow. This is not a matter of american presidents but the "exceptionalist" american attitude. The day the US dollar hegemony ends will be a great day. No more free ride on other countries resources. I put the tag on that day as the day OPEC says oil can be traded in other currencies than the US dollar. Poof! goes the magic credit card.

[phantomfiddler]

That,s 5 tankers attacked in the last couple of weeks. Yet there have been no repercussions at all, amazing ! Has the whole world embraced pacifism, except Iran of course ?

[thaiguzzi]

Bay of Pigs, Cuba...

the Gulf of Tonkin, Vietnam...

the Domino effect,

Communism and Commie Paranoia....

Fluoride in the water.....

Nicaragua, etc etc,

oh, and Desert One in, er, Tehran.... which is in, er, Iran.

 

We know that the US Government are just a bunch of lying war mongerers, run by old money politicians that have a vested interest in the military industrial complex and to keep it turning over.

More war = more profit.

 

Trump & Bolton want a war with someone, anyone (apart from the House of Saud), you can almost smell it.

[bristolboy]

1 hour ago, Cryingdick said:

That's the funny thing. Iran hit the wrong people along with the Japanese. We can let Norway deal with it, if that's what they want. However Japan is an ally and Abe was in Iran trying to cool it down when they hit their boat. The Japanese tend to be opposed to war but it is a big deal to them when they are attacked.

 

The issue is Iran doesn't own and can not be allowed to control or threaten sovereign countries in the strait.

One big problem with your assertion: it's not at all clear the Iran is responsible. The crew of the boat say the ship was hit by a projectile, not  damaged by a limpet mine. And the damage is centered on a point way above where a limpet mine could be attached.

In addition, when Pompeo made his accusation, there was something curiously missing: the confidence level of intelligence agencies in assigning the blame to Iran.

[justin case]

false flag, look it up, many wars started illegally using them...

 

did price of oil go up after the staged incident ?

[meand]

It is so hilarious when you see a government press conference on the news about a domestic incident, everyone is so tight lipped. Every time. "We need to gather the facts before making any statements". 

 

Iran supposedly hits some oil vessels, and it is immediate, way before any objective investigations "Iran did it! 100% it was Iran". Lol. 

[candide]

3 hours ago, Topdoc said:

Why the need for an entire boatload of people to watch their colleague remove an extremely dangerous, unexploded mine from a bobbing boat?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id-bQqmqlsg

Good remark. I don't know what's the usual army protocol for removing unexploded mines, but I guess it does not look like what can be observed on the video.

[spidermike007]

This is very fishy.

First and foremost, after uttering over 10,000 lies Trump has a credibility factor of less than zero. So, both Americans and our allies should be very skeptical of anything and everything he says.

 

Second, Bolton is behind this accusation, as he wants war more than anything. He is a warmonger, and even though he was badly burned in Iraq, and Afghanistan, he never learns.

 

Third, it is in the interest of the US to declare war. They are a nation of war, there is much money to be made from a war, and the defense industry lobbyists are probably visiting him frequently. He never, ever says no to a lobbyist. The corporations own this administration. Bought and paid for.

 

Fourth, what interest does Iran have in a war with the US? At this moment of heightened awareness and warlike rhetoric, would they be stupid enough to sabotage oil tankers? I really doubt it. 

 

Fifth, the ones who gain the most from this, are either the Saudis or the Israelis. It is just American blood. Why would they care? Think about it, before accepting this man of dishonesty at his word.

[spidermike007]

I think it is highly likely that either the Saudis or the Israelis were behind these attacks. 

[Dumbastheycome]

1 hour ago, phantomfiddler said:

That,s 5 tankers attacked in the last couple of weeks. Yet there have been no repercussions at all, amazing ! Has the whole world embraced pacifism, except Iran of course ?

Repercussions aimed at ? The whole world is sensibly waiting for proof rather than contrived blame.

That is not pacifism , it is prudence!

[Longcut]

2 hours ago, RobbyXNorway said:

 

"Awash in oil"? LOL...its not. You might think so, but its not. Your shale oil will run dry in a few short years, and you are already in trouble because the shale oil is extremely light and needs to be mixed with heavy crude oil. Why did you think the US wanted to "regime change" Venezuela? A hint: Venezuelan oil is very heavy crude oil. Perfect to mix with US light shale oil.

 

As for this episode, its just another Gulf of Tonkin attempt. Disgusting warmongering. And not by Iran.

Having worked years in the oil and gas industry. I can honestly say, you don't know what you are talking about. That might be true for some grades of diesel. But, it has nothing to do with gasoline or home heating oil. Texas light crude, is the mainstay for clean burning fuels.

[ThaiFelix]

3 hours ago, Cryingdick said:

 

Iran attacking ships could be construed as an act of war. We haven''t done anything other than be the adults in the room and have begun to escort ships. If Iran wishes to escalate this any further they can look forward to a port and a refinery in ashes. 

Iran attacking ships??  Show us the evidence.  And dont mention that video please, it could be a mail boat delivering for all it shows.  US must be getting extremely desperate for a fight if showing that video as proof....what a laugh!

[Mac98]

After all of Trump's lies, how can anyone believe him when he needs it? I don't think Trump needs a war, he just needs a manufactured crisis to gain politically at home. 

[RobbyXNorway]

44 minutes ago, Longcut said:

Having worked years in the oil and gas industry. I can honestly say, you don't know what you are talking about. That might be true for some grades of diesel. But, it has nothing to do with gasoline or home heating oil. Texas light crude, is the mainstay for clean burning fuels.

Pumping gas at a gas station does not an expert make.

 

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-06-13/trump-thinks-us-oil-his-strength-when-its-his-achilles-heel

 

But go on, live in fantasyland until the illusion breaks.

[ThaiFelix]

1 hour ago, spidermike007 said:

This is very fishy.

First and foremost, after uttering over 10,000 lies Trump has a credibility factor of less than zero. So, both Americans and our allies should be very skeptical of anything and everything he says.

 

Second, Bolton is behind this accusation, as he wants war more than anything. He is a warmonger, and even though he was badly burned in Iraq, and Afghanistan, he never learns.

 

Third, it is in the interest of the US to declare war. They are a nation of war, there is much money to be made from a war, and the defense industry lobbyists are probably visiting him frequently. He never, ever says no to a lobbyist. The corporations own this administration. Bought and paid for.

 

Fourth, what interest does Iran have in a war with the US? At this moment of heightened awareness and warlike rhetoric, would they be stupid enough to sabotage oil tankers? I really doubt it. 

 

Fifth, the ones who gain the most from this, are either the Saudis or the Israelis. It is just American blood. Why would they care? Think about it, before accepting this man of dishonesty at his word.

Very good post but what on earth makes you think that facts, a well constructed argument, logic, as well as straight out common sense would make a difference to the US or its brainwashed supporters?

[Srikcir]

1 hour ago, spidermike007 said:

I think it is highly likely that either the Saudis or the Israelis were behind these attacks. 

There were no stab wounds or bone saw marks on the hull - so no Saudis at blame.