Extensions - BE WARNED - TM30 Required. 3 Queues. Disaster.

[Matzzon]

8 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

I like your thinking. Wouldn't it be lovely if there was a conduit between farang and Thai imm. I think there is some input groups but the frustrating thing is very difficult to voice an opinion here in los. I wonder what would be outcome of peaceful  quiet sit down protest at entry of CW re TM30 nonsense. Rhetorical question.

It would probably lead to an arrest, because you refuse to follow the law.

[jackdd]

9 hours ago, 4675636b596f75 said:

I told them that I follow their law as it applies to me, and I had complied with everything that they had written.

Do you have a rental contract in your name? Then you are the possessor, so you are supposed to submit a TM30 when a foreigner stays at your place (even if it's yourself) according to the law. You didn't comply with it so you got fined.

[hereforgood]

8 hours ago, arithai12 said:

It doesn't matter how many years, if you need a TM 30 you need it. The only difference when people leave the country is that they need to update it when coming back "within 24 hours".

(formally when changing temporarily your residence within Thailand too, but this seems to be requested differently in different provinces, not in CM for example).

 

Just did my retirement extension approximately one month ago in Jomtien tm30 was not asked for or needed. I guess it just depends on what office you deal with in my case I was glad because I had never done one.

[soalbundy]

1 hour ago, khaepmu said:

I have never had to submit a TM 30. They have never asked me. I have been doing work visas both in Jomthien and Sri Ratcha. I dutifully do my 90 day report on time.

ditto Surin

[Orton Rd]

well it was warned about on here ages ago that those in Bkk would be needing TM30's but it was mostly ignored with people stating, 'well iv'e never been asked for one etc'. Well now you know it's for real, however you can send somebody in to do it on a return and there is also the online reporting system, good luck with that. Don't forget if you go upcountry to visit somebody for a couple of days to tell them they have to go to immigration to report a nasty suspicious foreigner is staying with them, or face a fine. This country is not our friend.

[Orton Rd]

2 hours ago, khaepmu said:

I have never had to submit a TM 30. They have never asked me. I have been doing work visas both in Jomthien and Sri Ratcha. I dutifully do my 90 day report on time.

Nobody used to have to do it, your time will come.

[wreckingcountry]

So do we need a completed TM30 to show when going through immigration entering The country at the Airport ?


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[4675636b596f75]

2 hours ago, khaepmu said:

I have never had to submit a TM 30. They have never asked me. I have been doing work visas both in Jomthien and Sri Ratcha. I dutifully do my 90 day report on time.

Good on ya mate!  You'll be told to pound sand when you come to Bangkok.

[jacko45k]

Just now, wreckingcountry said:

So do we need a completed TM30 to show when going through immigration entering The country at the Airport ?


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No, going either way. 

[4675636b596f75]

3 hours ago, Maestro said:

 

Based on the definition of House Master in section 4 of the Immigration Act, for a rented residence

House Master = tenant

Possessor = tenant

Owner = owner

 

I have seen many posts where immigration was satisfied with a copy of the rental agreement when copies of the owner's ID and house registration were not available.

 

 

That's because they have a financial reason to allow you deviate from the law. I'll show you a picture of what it looks like as soon as I get it off my phone.

 

[4675636b596f75]

3 hours ago, Maestro said:

 

Based on the definition of House Master in section 4 of the Immigration Act, for a rented residence

House Master = tenant

Possessor = tenant

Owner = owner

 

I have seen many posts where immigration was satisfied with a copy of the rental agreement when copies of the owner's ID and house registration were not available.

 

 

Based on the number of people FINED yesterday X 800, I would say 360,000b in a day is a nice catch when you throw your net out for suckers with no choice.  You can play with the words all you want, the numbers TRUMP you each and every time.

[owl sees all]

2 minutes ago, 4675636b596f75 said:

Based on the number of people FINED yesterday X 800, I would say 360,000b in a day is a nice catch when you throw your net out for suckers with no choice.  You can play with the words all you want, the numbers TRUMP you each and every time.

And at the end of the day, all these important bits of paper like the TM30, are bundled up and chucked into a corner of the back room. Then starts the divi-up.

[gmac]

2 hours ago, khaepmu said:

I have never had to submit a TM 30. They have never asked me. I have been doing work visas both in Jomthien and Sri Ratcha. I dutifully do my 90 day report on time.

Going for a visit to UK next month so while getting my re-entry stamp I made a point of asking about the TM30 requirement (In TM30 dedicated room at Jomtien) on my return.  I was clearly told that as an owner (my wife actually) on a retirement extension there is no need to submit a new TM30 when I get back.  I have no wish to get a fine but getting bored with unnecessary trips to Immigration so I'll put it to the test this time, not do the TM30 on return and see what happens at my next 90 day check in. 

[JAS21]

I supply Nonthaburi with a new one every year ... when they see an old one in my passport they just say ... not needed and give the whole form back...

[Orton Rd]

2 minutes ago, gmac said:

Going for a visit to UK next month so while getting my re-entry stamp I made a point of asking about the TM30 requirement (In TM30 dedicated room at Jomtien) on my return.  I was clearly told that as an owner (my wife actually) on a retirement extension there is no need to submit a new TM30 when I get back.  I have no wish to get a fine but getting bored with unnecessary trips to Immigration so I'll put it to the test this time, not do the TM30 on return and see what happens at my next 90 day check in. 

Check your 90 day slip for this warning, I found not reporting on re entry lead to a fine

[jacko45k]

3 minutes ago, gmac said:

I have no wish to get a fine but getting bored with unnecessary trips to Immigration so I'll put it to the test this time, not do the TM30 on return and see what happens at my next 90 day check in. 

Shh, you might spoil a good thing for us using Jomtiem. (CW sounds like a nightmare). Don't stir the pot please!

[sumrit]

2 hours ago, khaepmu said:

I have never had to submit a TM 30. They have never asked me. I have been doing work visas both in Jomthien and Sri Ratcha. I dutifully do my 90 day report on time.

I also do my extensions and 90 day reports at S Racha. Previously I had never completed a TM30 but, with needing to go to the UK for four weeks last year (and seeing a few reports of people being fined for not filing a TM30 here on TV). I went to ask them at Si Racha Immigration. They said yes, it would be enforced in the future for people returning to Thailand after trips abroad. I did mine when I returned and the 'TM30' office, outside at the back of the main office, was filled to overflowing with people of various nationalities being sent there and fined for non/late TM30 reports.

 

As others have said, this is a 40 year old law and, just because it hasn't been enforced until relatively recently, it's still a requirement that appears to now need to be completed. 

 

It's not difficult, it's a five minute job, so just do it or accept the fine without complaining. 

[sumrit]

49 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

Shh, you might spoil a good thing for us using Jomtiem. (CW sounds like a nightmare). Don't stir the pot please!

If It's working at CW your 'good thing' won't last long. You can bet Jomtien won't be far behind.

[Andrew Dwyer]

There’s an online TM 30 option available.
It seems quite complicated at the moment and many are complaining that it takes up to a month to get accepted but there are also some who have been accepted quickly.
Seems like the key is to do one in person, then the online application becomes easier.

My IO ( Ayutthaya ) currently does not require repeat TM 30’s after doing one initially but I fully expect it to happen, the online version now accepts residential applications ( as opposed to Hotels only ) for a reason .

[Denim]

Paging Bill Gates.

 

Get down here and put a spotlight on this will ya ?

[jacko45k]

1 minute ago, sumrit said:

If It's working at CW your 'good thing' won't last long. You can bet Jomtien won't be far behind.

Another killjoy. Perhaps one may say CW could revert and copy Jomtiem, although since there is a potential to make money, unlikely! The TM30 queue is often way out the door of the small separate office in Jomtiem as it is. 

[Matzzon]

11 hours ago, 4675636b596f75 said:

but you could tell that the whole thing was set up to collect 800 Baht bounty. Today they collected at least half a million baht in fines.

Ok, that will mean there was over 624 foreigners (non citizens), that were fined 800 bath for breaking the Immigration Law. In one day? Both you and me as well as the majority of all other reading this forum, knows that is not true. Exactly same over exaggerated information as trying to say it exists a problem, or that there must be a warning.

The only 3 problems that exists is:

Too many foreigners refuse to go by the rules
Too many foreigners complain over everything possible to conplain about.
Apearently foreigners are not warned enough to comply with the law. Maybe they should raise the fines.

[jacko45k]

9 minutes ago, Matzzon said:

The only 3 problems that exists is:

Too many foreigners refuse to go by the rules
Too many foreigners complain over everything possible to conplain about.
Apearently foreigners are not warned enough to comply with the law. Maybe they should raise the fines

There are 3 other problems.

Too many immigration officers do not know the rules.

Too many immigration officers complain about foreigners, you have to remember to even 'wai' them sufficiently respectfully, or be chucked out in 7 days.

Rules are enforced and ignored with such randomness no foreigner can even know what is required. (To ask someone to get to an office they have no idea of the location of, and queue for many hours, to perform a function they should not be responsible for, after traveling half way around the world, within 24 hours, is beyond reason.)

 

I could add more.

 

Edited June 20, 2019 by jacko45k

[meand]

6 hours ago, 4675636b596f75 said:

I am taking it out of my rent and the condo owner knows it.  How could it possibly be my responsibility?  I don't have her ownership info.  I cannot do this because I lack information.  I can only do this at immigration where they allow me to sign for the owner because they have me held captive and will withhold my extension.  I'm sure Thais could care less about doing this, and often become scofflaws.  They just figured out how to get their money.  The fact, that I had no documentation to make this report was overlooked.

 

800b.  Thank you.

Thailand has made it your responsibility. They can make anything they would like your responsibility. If you do not like it, you know what you can do. Just because you do not like it does not make it someone else's responsibility. Stop crying and get it done, pay the fine, or get out. 

 

 

Edited June 20, 2019 by meand

[newatthis]

7 minutes ago, Andrew Dwyer said:

There’s an online TM 30 option available.
It seems quite complicated at the moment and many are complaining that it takes up to a month to get accepted but there are also some who have been accepted quickly.
Seems like the key is to do one in person, then the online application becomes easier.

My IO ( Ayutthaya ) currently does not require repeat TM 30’s after doing one initially but I fully expect it to happen, the online version now accepts residential applications ( as opposed to Hotels only ) for a reason .

Actually, upon returning from an overseas trip our IO does require one now. I don't know about domestic but I will enquire before heading away for a week.

[newatthis]

32 minutes ago, meand said:

Thailand has made it your responsibility. They can make anything they would like your responsibility. If you do not like it, you know what you can do. Just because you do not like it does not make it someone else's responsibility. Stop crying and get it done, pay the fine, or get out. 

 

 

There's always one, isn't there?

[Orton Rd]

To any trying the deducting the fine out of the rent, good luck with getting your deposit back when you move!

[Old Croc]

The TM30 has been a requirement for visitors/expats for some time. It's been discussed ad infinitum on Thaivisa.  I, and many others have carried the slip in our passports for some years and those of us who travel update them often. There are well publised fines for not having completed it. The onus is on us to meet this condition of stay no matter how much it rankles.

It now seems many, in some areas, have never bothered with this requirement, and this Immigration Office is now enforcing it when people turn up for their extensions. The fine is being levied for not having completed it before.  

Nothing new here! Many of us were forced to jump through these hoops years ago. Welcome to the fold. 

Make life easy for yourself by playing their silly little paperwork games. Keep it separate from the extension process which is already a pain.

[Andrew Dwyer]

Actually, upon returning from an overseas trip our IO does require one now. I don't know about domestic but I will enquire before heading away for a week.

Ah, okay , I didn’t realise that, probably nearly a year ago now when I enquired and I’ve been out the country twice or three times since.

I’ve no reason to go to IO for a couple of months, so, interesting to see what they say about domestic.

 

Will probably look at registering for online just in case [emoji51]

[Matzzon]

58 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

There are 3 other problems.

Too many immigration officers do not know the rules.

Too many immigration officers complain about foreigners, you have to remember to even 'wai' them sufficiently respectfully, or be chucked out in 7 days.

Rules are enforced and ignored with such randomness no foreigner can even know what is required. (To ask someone to get to an office they have no idea of the location of, and queue for many hours, to perform a function they should not be responsible for, after traveling half way around the world, within 24 hours, is beyond reason.)

 

I could add more.

 

Ok, noted. Actually I knew there was much more on the list of complaint. Just want to take my hat of, for all of you out there that choose to stay and get extensions in a country you fell don´t want or respect you. You´ve have chosen the hard way to deal with all the complaints during your retirement or married life. I am just baffled over how you really want to put yourself through all this pain and suffering.