Huawei employees worked with China military on research projects - Bloomberg

[rooster59]

Huawei employees worked with China military on research projects - Bloomberg

 

FILE PHOTO: A Huawei company logo at the Shenzhen International Airport in Shenzhen, Guangdong province, China June 17, 2019. REUTERS/Aly Song/File Photo

 

(Reuters) - Huawei Technologies Co employees worked on at least 10 research projects with Chinese armed forces personnel over the past decade, Bloomberg reported on Thursday, collaborations the Chinese company said it was not aware of.

 

Huawei workers teamed up with members of various organs of China's People's Liberation Army (PLA) in projects spanning artificial intelligence to radio communications, Bloomberg said.

 

"Huawei is not aware of its employees publishing research papers in their individual capacity," Huawei spokesman Joe Kelly told Reuters, adding that the company does not have any research and development collaboration or partnerships with PLA-affiliated institutions.

 

"Huawei only develops and produces communications products that conform to civil standards worldwide, and does not customise R&D products for the military."

 

Huawei has come under mounting scrutiny for over a year, led by U.S. allegations that "back doors" in its routers, switches and other gear could allow China to spy on U.S. communications.

 

The company has denied its products pose a security threat.

 

The U.S. government last month effectively banned its agencies from buying Huawei telecommunications equipment and put severe restrictions on U.S. companies doing business with Huawei.

 

The research projects are part of a few publicly disclosed studies, Bloomberg said, adding it culled the papers from published periodicals and online research databases used mainly by Chinese academics and industry specialists.

 

(Reporting by Bhargav Acharya in Bengaluru and Sijia Jiang in Hong Kong; Editing by Muralikumar Anantharaman)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2019-06-27

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[YetAnother]

29 minutes ago, rooster59 said:

collaborations the Chinese company said it was not aware of.

they must have graduated from the same Excuses University that most thai leadership attended

[geoffbezoz]

Well if Bloomberg reported it  then it must be true ????????????????

[lannarebirth]

32 minutes ago, YetAnother said:

they must have graduated from the same Excuses University that most thai leadership attended

Chances are they attended an outstanding American university where they paid triple the tuition rate and displaced an equally  (or more so) American kid.

[Matzzon]

2 hours ago, rooster59 said:

Huawei Technologies Co employees worked on at least 10 research projects with Chinese armed forces personnel over the past decade, Bloomberg reported on Thursday, collaborations the Chinese company said it was not aware of.

No problem! In today´s modern business environment, we all have to understand that the company itself knew nothing about 10 research projects.

What about a brain scan of the idiot that unleashed a very poor excuse wothout any foundation in reality?

[simple1]

Shocking!!! Cisco, IBM & others do not work with DoD on R&D projects - LOL

Edited June 27, 2019 by simple1

[candide]

10 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Shocking!!! Cisco, IBM & others do not work with DoD on R&D projects - LOL

You beat me to it!

[spidermike007]

So, what is the issue here? How many American corporations work with the US armed forces, the Pentagon, the NSA and the CIA?

 

Is this some sort of selective analysis? The Chinese government is bad. We all know that. So what? So is the US government. Not as bad. But pretty nasty. 

[Srikcir]

2 hours ago, simple1 said:

Shocking!!! Cisco, IBM & others do not work with DoD on R&D projects - LOL

• The U.S. Department wanted Google for its defense program called Project Maven. But factions of Google employees opposed Google technology being used in warfare. https://www.businessinsider.com/r-top-us-general-urges-google-to-work-with-military-2018-12
• But the work Google is doing in China is benefiting the Chinese military. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-china-google/googles-work-in-china-benefiting-chinas-military-u-s-general-idUSKCN1QV296

 

[just bob]

I've been under a rock.  Since when did Bloomberg become a subsidiary of Rupert Murdoch's political propaganda machine?  Idiots...

[from the home of CC]

Apparently in the g20 the Chinese want to negotiate the release of ms. huawei from CDN custody. They've kidnapped a few of our businessman and killed off 20% of our meat exprts plus canola. So if the states don't drop extradition we'll keep on getting pounded. I'd like to see her in max security rather than her million dollar mansion but money talks just as loud in the west. Being allied with America can be very painful.. 

[Morch]

3 hours ago, simple1 said:

Shocking!!! Cisco, IBM & others do not work with DoD on R&D projects - LOL

 

Do they also hide or deny their involvement with such projects and cooperation?

[Pedrogaz]

Google, Facebook, Apple all work with the US military...why is it always one rule for the US and another one for everyone else.

Russia meddled in the US elections, well the US messes in everybody's elections including overthrowing democratically elected governments and governments accepted as legitimate by the UN. 

Hey India you just raised tariffs on my products it's unfair, well you, the US, raised tariffs on our products first.

dadadadada

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[SOTIRIOS]

..this is not about espionage...or 'national security'...

 

...this is about 'a select few'...that will say and do anything....

 

....(except compete in an open, fair market)...

 

...in order to maintain their perverse profits...

 

...phones are way overpriced.....

 

...and the competitor in question.....arguably...makes the best phones in the world...

 

...and sells them for a fraction of what... 'the good guys' sell them for...

 

...the ruse is up....

 

 

 

 

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[Morch]

4 hours ago, Pedrogaz said:

Google, Facebook, Apple all work with the US military...why is it always one rule for the US and another one for everyone else.

Russia meddled in the US elections, well the US messes in everybody's elections including overthrowing democratically elected governments and governments accepted as legitimate by the UN. 

Hey India you just raised tariffs on my products it's unfair, well you, the US, raised tariffs on our products first.

dadadadada

 

Many USA firms do. It is not kept secret. It is not denied. As far as I'm aware, it doesn't happen in the manner described in the OP. Whether such involvements effects their activities abroad depends on the context and circumstances. I would guess some clients could be squeamish involving certain firm and/or personnel given such involvement and background.

 

If Huawei is contracted or sourced for projects with potential national security issues, then governments would like to know in advance whether it (or its employees) is in bed with the Chinese military.

 

I don't know if there's a US law forbidding USA agencies from carrying out such meddling operations abroad, but I'm sure that it would be such laws with regard to foreign powers messing with the USA. The same applies, I think, in Russia as well.    

[GinBoy2]

The difference between Chinese and Western involvement in Govt 'research' is how it's applied, coupled with the tight relationship between the Government and tech firms in China.

 

Few of you will have experienced what I did when I was heading up our Shanghai office for a Semiconductor equipment manufacturing company.

 

I got to work at 7:30am, at 8am, we were raided by police. Our PC's were confiscated, I was forced to hand over login details to our corporate Intranet, with the threat that I personally would be imprisoned.

 

Within 12 months I saw our technology in SMIC, which is essentially another arm of the Chinese State manufacturing compact.

 

We had done nothing wrong it was purely a blatant industrial espionage event facilitated by the Chinese State.

 

So as for Huawei...wouldn't trust them further than I could spit!

[Fex Bluse]

38 minutes ago, GinBoy2 said:

The difference between Chinese and Western involvement in Govt 'research' is how it's applied, coupled with the tight relationship between the Government and tech firms in China.

 

Few of you will have experienced what I did when I was heading up our Shanghai office for a Semiconductor equipment manufacturing company.

 

I got to work at 7:30am, at 8am, we were raided by police. Our PC's were confiscated, I was forced to hand over login details to our corporate Intranet, with the threat that I personally would be imprisoned.

 

Within 12 months I saw our technology in SMIC, which is essentially another arm of the Chinese State manufacturing compact.

 

We had done nothing wrong it was purely a blatant industrial espionage event facilitated by the Chinese State.

 

So as for Huawei...wouldn't trust them further than I could spit!

Yes, I have colleagues with similar experiences working in PRC. 

 

There are a handful of China sympathizers here in thr forums. However, what is sad is that there are likely regular liberal/progressive westerners who just don't get it.

 

They assume the Chinese share their basic values, that people are fundamentally good. 

[Fex Bluse]

18 hours ago, YetAnother said:

they must have graduated from the same Excuses University that most thai leadership attended

Well, they are sort of the same people with the exception of wearing different costumes and speaking different languages. 

[Chazar]

10 hours ago, Pedrogaz said:

Google, Facebook, Apple all work with the US military...why is it always one rule for the US and another one for everyone else.

Russia meddled in the US elections, well the US messes in everybody's elections including overthrowing democratically elected governments and governments accepted as legitimate by the UN. 

Hey India you just raised tariffs on my products it's unfair, well you, the US, raised tariffs on our products first.

dadadadada

Google Edward  Snowden, way  better

[simple1]

11 hours ago, Morch said:

 

Do they also hide or deny their involvement with such projects and cooperation?

Would depend on the project. In my past in IT sales I have engaged with Defence, some usual commercial BAU, others with non disclosure e.g. signals directorate.

[wisperone]

Huawei and the Chinese govt. are one in the same. China created Huawei to infiltrate, spy, copy other countries and companies products and intellectual property. They are one in the same. Huawei should be banned by all countries, or they are just opening the front door to China's/Huawei back door. People who are posting otherwise here do not have a responsibility for protecting citizens, companies, countries. China/Huawei lies through its teeth its purpose.

[Somtamnication]

..................and Westinghouse, Texas Instruments, Boeing, Siemens and countless others have had military contracts for 60+ years in the west. So.............what about Huawei with their national military? I don't understand the problem.

[Morch]

3 hours ago, simple1 said:

Would depend on the project. In my past in IT sales I have engaged with Defence, some usual commercial BAU, others with non disclosure e.g. signals directorate.

 

Was the company you worked for "unaware" that you were engaged on defense projects while being an employee? Would such a claim be acceptable coming from a Western company?

[Morch]

1 hour ago, Somtamnication said:

..................and Westinghouse, Texas Instruments, Boeing, Siemens and countless others have had military contracts for 60+ years in the west. So.............what about Huawei with their national military? I don't understand the problem.

 

That they either hide it or make bogus claims that they weren't aware of employees activities.

Believable. Not.

 

If a firm got ties with military projects in its country (or for that matter, any country) it may effect taking on other projects, due to confidentiality or conflict of interests issues. When relations with and the practices of the firm's company are problematic, this bears greater significance.

[simple1]

2 hours ago, Morch said:

 

Was the company you worked for "unaware" that you were engaged on defense projects while being an employee? Would such a claim be acceptable coming from a Western company?

Yes employers were aware, but due to contractual requirements would not have made comment in the public domain. Personally I am surprised Huawei commented in the public domain concerning the OP matters. IMO an error by management.

[Morch]

55 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Yes employers were aware, but due to contractual requirements would not have made comment in the public domain. Personally I am surprised Huawei commented in the public domain concerning the OP matters. IMO an error by management.

 

Yes well, Huawei seems to say that they weren't aware. Does it seem reasonable to you? And even if it was true, what does it say about the company, then?

 

Many Western firms are involved with government/defense projects. The specifics details aren't always made public, but the connection and the involvement itself aren't normally kept a secret or denied.

[simple1]

18 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

Yes well, Huawei seems to say that they weren't aware. Does it seem reasonable to you? And even if it was true, what does it say about the company, then?

 

Many Western firms are involved with government/defense projects. The specifics details aren't always made public, but the connection and the involvement itself aren't normally kept a secret or denied.

Seems to me the OP is referring to claims concerning specific projects. Again IMO Huawei have handled the matter poorly. Having worked at IBM & CSC they would have likely stated they they do not comment on client related matters - end of.

Edited June 28, 2019 by simple1

[Morch]

6 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Seems to me the OP is referring to claims concerning specific projects. Again IMO Huawei have handled the matter poorly. Having worked at IBM & CSC they would have likely stated they they do not comment on client related matters - end of.

 

It wouldn't be the first time they drop the ball on public relations issues:

 

Huawei caught faking photos again, this time for the upcoming P30 Pro

https://www.theverge.com/2019/3/11/18260213/huawei-fake-photos-p30-pro-camera-ad-dslr

 

I think involvement in government/defense projects appears in the referenced companies portfolios, and/or in relevant and available government/defense agencies' information. It would be hard to imagine either of them trying the same sort of denials. Saying "no comment" on specifics, when the involvement itself is public - quite a different matter.