After his great success in the foreign office how can he ever fail?

Just ask Nazanine Zaghari-Ratcliff. ????

Edited June 28, 20197 yr by fishtank

Well the Americans got Donald! Why shouldn’t the Brits get an idiot to lead them as well?

 

The would is so F-ed

1 hour ago, vogie said:

I do not judge a person by his or her accent, if I was to do so it would be considered shallow and certainly wrong of me.

I am not sure that CH is playing the class card at all, but merely highlighting the British disease of almost automatic deference to those who are titled, landed or come from old money. 

1 hour ago, VocalNeal said:

If someone had paid for me to go the Eton or harrow then I would have gone. Would that make me posh? (whatever that is). Richard Branson went to Stowe does that make him posh.

 

I went to both private primary and secondary schools. Does that make me posh. Or does it mean my parents thought that spending a bit of money on my schooling would give me a better education? 

 

When I go to visit my mother and she sets the table for lunch my napkin is inside my silver napkin ring which has my initials engraved on it. This was given to me at christening or some other such ceremony. I can't remember. Does this make me posh? It is the only time I use one.

 

Boris is definitely middle class. Only upper middle because he went to Eton. Otherwise he is just a normal slightly well off guy.

 

 

 

I would hazard a guess that your assessment of Johnson's class status shows the difference in perceptions between those in and those outside the tent. I know nobody who owns napkin rings of any material, let alone uses them; similarly I would have placed Johnson as lower-upper class (if such a band exists), but I am very willing to defer to your more insightful perspective.

 

Very few, I believe, would begrudge you the start you had in life; the issue with Boris Johnson, as I see it, is that he is clearly not the best man for the job. As with so many of his ilk (by that, I mean over-confident, blustering ex public schoolboys who were told repeatedly through their formative years that they were future Masters of the Universe and continue to believe it) they bully and force their way to positions way above their actual ability, and the system is geared to make that happen. 

3 hours ago, stephenterry said:

Quite right. It means they don't have the gravitus to take on the PM role. Johnson as PM? Seriously?

reminds me the old saying .....Don’t cut off your nose to spite your face

36 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

I am not sure that CH is playing the class card at all, but merely highlighting the British disease of almost automatic deference to those who are titled, landed or come from old money. 

Jacob Rees Mogg got the class card when he was public enemy number one, it would seem that if we don't like someone we revert to name calling, now it's time for Boris to be berated, maybe it's inverted snobbery, I just don't know, but what I do know it is totally childish. 

But as ever RR, even in your Henry Kissinger role, you remain a gentleman.

23 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

Very few, I believe, would begrudge you the start you had in life;

Sitting here it doesn't seem to me that it made a huge difference.  

 

But I suppose one will never know. Private secondary because I failed the 11-plus. My brother didn't fail so the equivalent amount was spent on sending him to Uni.

3 hours ago, Pilotman said:

yes, he does have a tendency to tell the truth when under pressure,  quite unusual and not a desirable characteristic in a politician. 

 

Boris wouldn't know the truth if it bit him! He lies under pressure and has been caught so doing many times.

3 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Boris wouldn't know the truth if it bit him! He lies under pressure and has been caught so doing many times.

burkas, Saudi, The French politicos? All true

53 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

 

I would hazard a guess that your assessment of Johnson's class status shows the difference in perceptions between those in and those outside the tent. I know nobody who owns napkin rings of any material, let alone uses them; similarly I would have placed Johnson as lower-upper class (if such a band exists), but I am very willing to defer to your more insightful perspective.

 

Very few, I believe, would begrudge you the start you had in life; the issue with Boris Johnson, as I see it, is that he is clearly not the best man for the job. As with so many of his ilk (by that, I mean over-confident, blustering ex public schoolboys who were told repeatedly through their formative years that they were future Masters of the Universe and continue to believe it) they bully and force their way to positions way above their actual ability, and the system is geared to make that happen. 

 

I once worked for a grammar school educated CEO, like myself, and a old Harrovian educated Operations Director, who was also the Chairman's son from very old money. The contrast was amazing in many many ways.

One was the CEO was always working hard, into all the detail, checking results etc as well as the strategic things. The Ops guy was much more hands off, less emotional, almost laid back. Would pop off for a day's shooting during the shooting season etc. I undertook long business trips with each of them to the Far East which gave me a chance to observe each closely. Very different outlooks on life.

5 minutes ago, Pilotman said:

burkas, Saudi, The French politicos? All true

 

Check out the numerous interviews where the interviewers have pointed out his lying to him. There are plenty. He normally tries to laugh it off or just bluster. 

4 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Check out the numerous interviews where the interviewers have pointed out his lying to him. There are plenty. He normally tries to laugh it off or just bluster. 

Of course he lies all the time, he's a politician, they all do.  What I said was that if he ever does tell the truth,  and he sometimes does so, it is usually under pressure, or when he doesn't know he is being recorded. 

have i missed something ?
not long ago as foreign secretary he was the biggest snafu ever....fast forward to now and he is being sold as UK's savior 

1 hour ago, vogie said:

Jacob Rees Mogg got the class card when he was public enemy number one, it would seem that if we don't like someone we revert to name calling, now it's time for Boris to be berated, maybe it's inverted snobbery, I just don't know, but what I do know it is totally childish. 

But as ever RR, even in your Henry Kissinger role, you remain a gentleman.

Oh, I have moments where my manners desert me, although I do try to avoid likening anyone to a war criminal ????

2 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

I am not sure that CH is playing the class card at all, but merely highlighting the British disease of almost automatic deference to those who are titled, landed or come from old money. 

Precisely that. 

 

 

5 hours ago, Jonathan Fairfield said:

Boris is still well ahead with the membership who will ultimately decide who the next prime minister is,”

Ah, so a bit of shouting with his GF isn't enough to consign him to the wilderness.

Seems sense has prevailed on this one.

6 hours ago, Pilotman said:

Boris is a buffoon, no doubt about that, but a large part  of me just thinks: what the hell, it's all such a mess anyway, let's have Boris and enjoy the ride.  After all, it can't get any worse than it is and it least it will be entertaining. I couldn't stomach another grey suited  nonentity in  Number 10 such as Hunt. 

Maybe time the British are going to realise, they are gambling with their economy = Every's income ? Much and much more important which "grey suited  nonentity in  Number 10 "

6 hours ago, stephenterry said:

How many more Boris posts by Jonathan Fairfield - who I suspect is a big fan of his, and wants to keep Boris in the headlines?

 

This post is a typical example of proclaiming Johnson's virtues, and laughing off the negatives. Well, Jonathan, I don't buy it, sorry.

One thing for sure: it brings a LOT of resonses… and a lot of evidence why Boris is bringing the UK economy down with all his lies.. 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/27/boris-johnson-global-britain-eu-trade-deal?utm_term=RWRpdG9yaWFsX0d1YXJkaWFuVG9kYXlVS19XZWVrZGF5cy0xOTA2Mjg%3D&utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=GuardianTodayUK&CMP=GTUK_email

5 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

Maybe time the British are going to realise, they are gambling with their economy = Every's income ? Much and much more important which "grey suited  nonentity in  Number 10 "

Still better than Brussels gambling with our economy, you don't listen to what you are being told. All you do is criticise, why does it worry you so much, you want rid of us and then go on why we shouldn't leave.

9 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

Maybe time the British are going to realise, they are gambling with their economy = Every's income ? Much and much more important which "grey suited  nonentity in  Number 10 "

 

 

Don’t you go worrying about the British economy; your attention may be better placed watching the EU economy.

3 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

 

I would hazard a guess that your assessment of Johnson's class status shows the difference in perceptions between those in and those outside the tent. I know nobody who owns napkin rings of any material, let alone uses them; similarly I would have placed Johnson as lower-upper class (if such a band exists), but I am very willing to defer to your more insightful perspective.

 

Very few, I believe, would begrudge you the start you had in life; the issue with Boris Johnson, as I see it, is that he is clearly not the best man for the job. As with so many of his ilk (by that, I mean over-confident, blustering ex public schoolboys who were told repeatedly through their formative years that they were future Masters of the Universe and continue to believe it) they bully and force their way to positions way above their actual ability, and the system is geared to make that happen. 

I applaud any type of school, or educator, that can successfully inculcate confidence in their pupils to the extent that they leave feeling capable of becoming masters of the universe.

 

Of course it also requires a great deal of ability to live out those expectations and those top public schools that you appear to have a chip about are usually well equipped with higher standards of teaching and resources to help bring that ability to the fore.

5 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

I think the problem are not people like Trump or BJ, etc..

The problem are the people who vote those jokers into high positions.

I guess it could be funny at a party with Trump, BJ and others. Stupid jokes, funny stories, etc.

But why would anybody give important jobs to those jokers?

If you would need someone to repair your car would you chose a good but maybe boring mechanic or the funny guy next door?

And how about if you need an operation? Would you chose the doctor who talks a lot and who tells you he can do everything? Or would you look for someone with experience?

And if you have to elect the PM or president, who would you chose? It seems lots of people don't care about qualifications or experience for the most important job in a country. They vote for the jokers. So who is to blame? The jokers or the stupid people?

I think the problem is the lack of interest of the voters to learn the often very complex situation politicians have to make choices. Not always popular outcomes. Just as dad/mom, who comes home after losing the job and says: "we have to be VERY careful with our money"... As a Dutch saying goes:  "bad medics make stinking wounds". As there is no "button" with "none-of-the-above" they give a protest-vote, instead of a blanc vote.

The May agreement: how many who are against even read a one page summery of it, out of the 528 pages , but... are against…  because… I am against !

But nothing new: in 1921 for the city council of  Amsterdam Mr Had-je-me-maar was voted in. A person with "no actual registered place of living" they call that nowadays.. see  https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Had-je-me-maar , sorry,. only in Dutch, use www.deepl.com to translate

23 minutes ago, vogie said:

Still better than Brussels gambling with our economy, you don't listen to what you are being told. All you do is criticise, why does it worry you so much, you want rid of us and then go on why we shouldn't leave.

What is "Brussels "?

The European council in which all prime ministers are in, and no decission passed without all agree ?

The European Councellors, inclusive a British ?

The European Parliament, inclusive 75 British members ?

 

The rest are government employees, inclusive many British

26 minutes ago, vogie said:

Still better than Brussels gambling with our economy, you don't listen to what you are being told. All you do is criticise, why does it worry you so much, you want rid of us and then go on why we shouldn't leave.

The biggist gift for years: finally to get rid of the British.... We should have better listened to Charles de Gaulle.

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Ah, so a bit of shouting with his GF isn't enough to consign him to the wilderness.

Seems sense has prevailed on this one.

Yeah, like 'sense' has resulted in sterling falling to 38.55 against the baht as at today's prices. I guess we're in for more crashes if a no deal occurs.

 

Boris - how to ruin your country's economy and devalue sterling in one swoop. 

 

 

26 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

Don’t you go worrying about the British economy; your attention may be better placed watching the EU economy.

Yes, Mini car manufacturer to Borne - NL

European Medicine Agency to Amsterdam..

And a LOT more industries and services... like Ebury International forex trade to Amsterdam... I use for money transfer

 

https://www.businessinsider.nl/brexit-damaged-city-of-london-2018-11/?international=true&r=US

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-companies-leaving-uk-list-job-cuts-eu-no-deal-customs-union-a8792296.html

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/brexit-major-companies-leaving-uk-13902285

https://www.ns-businesshub.com/transport/companies-leaving-the-uk-after-brexit/

https://readyforbrexit.co.uk/the-list-of-companies-leaving-the-uk-because-of-brexit-grows/

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/09/brexit-uk-companies-discuss-moving-to-netherlands

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/01/one-three-uk-firms-activate-plans-move-operations-abroad-no-deal-brexit-iod-survey

http://www.businessfondue.com/2019/02/27/these-large-companies-are-leaving-the-uk-because-of-brexit/

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/01/business/british-business-brexit.html

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/01/07/investing/brexit-banks-moving-assets/index.html

https://www.vox.com/world/2019/1/23/18194235/brexit-no-deal-sony-dyson-economy

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/business/business-news/companies-leaving-threatening-leave-uk-15725311

https://www.worldfinance.com/home/the-industries-hit-hardest-by-brexit

https://www.market-inspector.co.uk/blog/2016/10/impact-of-brexit-on-businesses-in-the-uk

https://www.ft.com/content/49a0ebf0-8393-11e9-9935-ad75bb96c849 Tory talk of no-deal Brexit costs jobs, warns industry

https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/10/17/britain-isnt-just-losing-brexit-europe-is-winning-it/

https://www.hartfordbusiness.com/article/1-trillion-is-leaving-britain-because-of-brexit

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-ford-call/ford-told-may-it-could-move-business-overseas-because-of-brexit-idUKKCN1Q21FD

https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/Toyota-says-leaving-UK-in-2023-an-option-under-no-deal-Brexit

https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-news/industry-news/brexit/

https://www.politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/2019/02/13/car-crash-the-brexit-clear-out-of-uk-manufacturing-has-alrea

 

You want more ? Use Google with "British industries leaving because of Brexit "

Please let Boris win... and leave at Haloween… a marvelous night for such a decission… 

 

 

 

 

 

49 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

a lot of evidence why Boris is bringing the UK economy down with all his lies.. 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/27/boris-johnson-global-britain-eu-trade-deal?utm_term=RWRpdG9yaWFsX0d1YXJkaWFuVG9kYXlVS19XZWVrZGF5cy0xOTA2Mjg%3D&utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=GuardianTodayUK&CMP=GTUK_email

 

Look forward to the Boris supporters empirically refuting the content

1 minute ago, stephenterry said:

Yeah, like 'sense' has resulted in sterling falling to 38.55 against the baht as at today's prices. I guess we're in for more crashes if a no deal occurs.

Boris - how to ruin your country's economy and devalue sterling in one swoop. 

And an overwhelmingly landslide majority of 51,88 % voted for this, with only a mare, completely ignorable 48,11 % against.

1 minute ago, puipuitom said:

Yes, Mini car manufacturer to Borne - NL

European Medicine Agency to Amsterdam..

And a LOT more industries and services... like Ebury International forex trade to Amsterdam... I use for money transfer

 

https://www.businessinsider.nl/brexit-damaged-city-of-london-2018-11/?international=true&r=US

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-companies-leaving-uk-list-job-cuts-eu-no-deal-customs-union-a8792296.html

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/brexit-major-companies-leaving-uk-13902285

https://www.ns-businesshub.com/transport/companies-leaving-the-uk-after-brexit/

https://readyforbrexit.co.uk/the-list-of-companies-leaving-the-uk-because-of-brexit-grows/

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/09/brexit-uk-companies-discuss-moving-to-netherlands

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/01/one-three-uk-firms-activate-plans-move-operations-abroad-no-deal-brexit-iod-survey

http://www.businessfondue.com/2019/02/27/these-large-companies-are-leaving-the-uk-because-of-brexit/

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/01/business/british-business-brexit.html

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/01/07/investing/brexit-banks-moving-assets/index.html

https://www.vox.com/world/2019/1/23/18194235/brexit-no-deal-sony-dyson-economy

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/business/business-news/companies-leaving-threatening-leave-uk-15725311

https://www.worldfinance.com/home/the-industries-hit-hardest-by-brexit

https://www.market-inspector.co.uk/blog/2016/10/impact-of-brexit-on-businesses-in-the-uk

https://www.ft.com/content/49a0ebf0-8393-11e9-9935-ad75bb96c849 Tory talk of no-deal Brexit costs jobs, warns industry

https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/10/17/britain-isnt-just-losing-brexit-europe-is-winning-it/

https://www.hartfordbusiness.com/article/1-trillion-is-leaving-britain-because-of-brexit

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-ford-call/ford-told-may-it-could-move-business-overseas-because-of-brexit-idUKKCN1Q21FD

https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/Toyota-says-leaving-UK-in-2023-an-option-under-no-deal-Brexit

https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-news/industry-news/brexit/

https://www.politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/2019/02/13/car-crash-the-brexit-clear-out-of-uk-manufacturing-has-alrea

 

You want more ? Use Google with "British industries leaving because of Brexit "

Please let Boris win... and leave at Haloween… a marvelous night for such a decission… 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/netherlands-economy/update-1-dutch-economic-growth-to-fall-to-1-5-pct-in-2019-cpb-idUSL5N20S0PC

 

 

 

2 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

And an overwhelmingly landslide majority of 51,88 % voted for this, with only a mare, completely ignorable 48,11 % against.

 

 

Indeed...... the horse I backed in the Derby won by a head.

 

IT WON !