Rich Indians to the Rescue as Chinese Tourists Shun Thailand

[Olmate]

7 minutes ago, SoulKid said:

HK was occupied by the British during opium wars from China. Under British rule HK natives were treated like slaves. The older generation that lived through that time know how bad it was and that's why they prefer to merge with China.

British left HK in a much worse situation being crushed by a giant communist nation by coming up with 1 country 2 system thing that expires in 2047 after which HK will be part of China. There is no escaping that.
British should've given HK to China when they left. At least whats happening today and the war that is brewing up would've never happened.

Doesn’t,t seem like the future generations of folk of HK agree with you and merging with the regime. Your last comment seems to say it clearly

[lamyai3]

On 7/8/2019 at 9:27 AM, Bipolar said:

will be developing a bilingual website in english and thai to show people the bad side of farangs......look out will give u guys a url about the site soon.

Have you been subcontracted by immigration? 

[SoulKid]

Just now, Olmate said:

Doesn’t,t seem like the future generations of folk of HK agree with you and merging with the regime. Your last comment seems to say it clearly

Of course they don't because they never grew up in a communist nation but a temporary free nation hell given by the British.
If HK was part of china and they grew up in communist nation they wouldn't even think about all this. It would've been just another metropolitan city like Beijing and Shanghai.

[lamyai3]

46 minutes ago, SoulKid said:

If you're one of the oppressors then it does not really matter. It's in your genes so I don't blame you for your lack of understanding of what happened and what your forefathers did.

Your syntax rings of a left wing activist, rather than a disgruntled subcontinental. Have you ever been to India or HK? 

[Olmate]

7 minutes ago, SoulKid said:

Of course they don't because they never grew up in a communist nation but a temporary free nation hell given by the British.
If HK was part of china and they grew up in communist nation they wouldn't even think about all this. It would've been just another metropolitan city like Beijing and Shanghai.

Ah well if it comes to pass they will be all sent to the finishing schools in the north to be re educated ,so nothing lost really!

[SoulKid]

2 minutes ago, lamyai3 said:

Your syntax rings of a left wing activist, rather than a disgruntled subcontinental. Have you ever been to India or HK? 

I said "If".
If you are not then why do you even care. If you are then there's nothing I can do about it except show the reality.

[SoulKid]

5 minutes ago, Olmate said:

Ah well if it comes to pass they will be all sent to the finishing schools in the north to be re educated ,so nothing lost really!

Of course they all will be sent to re-education camps after 2047. No doubt about it.

But there will be a huge fight for independence before that I am sure.

[lamyai3]

8 minutes ago, SoulKid said:

14 minutes ago, lamyai3 said:

Your syntax rings of a left wing activist, rather than a disgruntled subcontinental. Have you ever been to India or HK? 

I said "If".
If you are not then why do you even care. If you are then there's nothing I can do about it except show the reality.

I'd take that as a no then. You sound like a university student peddling the opinions of their lefty professor.

 

Get out of your mum's basement and try visiting India for real. I lived there for 6-7 years in the 90's and my comments bring in the opinions of many Indians I met there, who've considered the country to be declining rather than advancing in recent decades. 

[DrTuner]

If India is so great, how come just about every one with an IT degree is in the queue to US/Canada. Maybe the internet connection in the ghettos ain't as advertised.

[JamJar]

54 minutes ago, SoulKid said:

So for your tiny brain Roads are more important than famines and the millions of deaths.
Nice thinking.
BTW British created the railways in India and not the roads. The only purpose of railways was to transport good from all over India to be exported to Britain so it was a part of their giant looting machine. They never created it to help the colonies but to squeeze every bit of resource out of it.

 

You'll find the 95% of the respondents are incapable of intelligent discussion. Cries of "left wing" soon to follow, if they haven't already done so.

Most of them aren't happy until they get a few beers into them and only then do they realise that alcohol is a depressant. So they drink more to get over it.

 

Of course you are going to do well if you are able to exploit the wealth of other continents. Once that situation becomes untenable, you try to look magnanimous by 'granting' them independence....often making a terrible hash of it.

 

One the other hand, if the British didn't do it, perhaps someone else would have done so. We cannot rewrite history. 

But it does leave some hankering for 'the good old days', when Great Britain had some influence.

 

Slagging off their Indian friends does them no favours.

 

Many places in Pattaya and Jomtien were dead on their feet before the influx of the new tourists. The Russians pulled them out of their slump and then some.

But then when the Russian surge died down, they needed some to take their place. Hence the Chinese.

 

With every new surge, new complaints from the 'westerners' that they and only they are the solution to everything and to hell with the Russians, Chinese, South Asians, Persians, Arabs... 

Frankly, they are mostly ridiculous people.

So don't be surprised to hear them state that they could solve all of Thailand's problems single-handedly.

 

I too am affected, being a 'westerner'. But I don't have that 'entitled' chip on the shoulder. 

 

Edited July 10, 2019 by JamJar

[JamJar]

5 minutes ago, DrTuner said:

If India is so great, how come just about every one with an IT degree is in the queue to US/Canada. Maybe the internet connection in the ghettos ain't as advertised.

 

Because their is huge competition when you have a population of 1.339 billion and the salaries are higher in the USA.

Why would you ask such a question?

Why do you go to Thailand for your holidays? Why not stay in your own country? Does going to Thailand mean that you don't love your own country?

 

[JamJar]

18 minutes ago, lamyai3 said:

I'd take that as a no then. You sound like a university student peddling the opinions of their lefty professor.

 

Get out of your mum's basement and try visiting India for real. I lived there for 6-7 years in the 90's and my comments bring in the opinions of many Indians I met there, who've considered the country to be declining rather than advancing in recent decades. 

 

For some it is advancing, for others declining. What about your country?

[lamyai3]

1 minute ago, JamJar said:

For some it is advancing, for others declining. What about your country?

I'd say the UK is currently declining too. My opinions are not nationalistic but based on experience - have you actually visited India? 

[JamJar]

12 minutes ago, lamyai3 said:

I'd say the UK is currently declining too. My opinions are not nationalistic but based on experience - have you actually visited India? 

 

No. I haven't.  What is your point? That he can only comment if he is a 'left wing activist' or a 'disgruntled subcontinental'?

Were you there during the partition?

[Lucius verus]

On 7/8/2019 at 9:16 AM, Peterw42 said:

People need to wake up and stop spewing the same old rhetoric. There are, and always has been, more Indian, Chinese,  tourists and ex-pats here than <insert home country here>.

You just look stupid quoting one coke and four straws.

There are millions and millions of middle class Indians who travel, make and spend more than your average western expat/tourist.

They are not staying in a guest-house in soi sexpat, chowing down on the 99 baht breakfast special. Chances are an Indian expat owns the guest-house and the restaurant.

 

My wife does some work for a couple of Indian guys in Pattaya, they are filthy rich, they own hotels, restaurants. I have met and socialised with these people and their visiting friends. The friends stay at 5 star hotels, hire a minivan and driver, a nanny for the kids, they probably spend in a day what a fan room expat spends in a week. You wont see them at 7/11 or on a baht bus or nursing the happy hour beer.

 

 

 

 

I think you're confusion  local Thai Indians with tourists. Local Indians donate millions to HRH same as Chinese Thais. I don't see Indian tourists flooding into 5 star hotels.

Indians spend most of their  money on their families and weddings not Thai beer bars,hookers or Thai restaurants.

Indians do drink but not with us. Ever seen Indians sit on bar stools?

[Uptooyoo]

On 7/8/2019 at 7:47 AM, SteveStevens said:

How would you feel if you're a Thai girl making a deal with a group of east Indians who want a 4 for 1 deal?  ????

She shouldn't be worried...they'd only stack up to 4 centimeters, making it a 1 for 1 deal. ????

Edited July 10, 2019 by Uptooyoo

[DrTuner]

1 hour ago, JamJar said:

 

Because their is huge competition when you have a population of 1.339 billion and the salaries are higher in the USA.

Salaries are higher in US? And here I was thinking Indians are filthy rich, opting to moor their yachts in Pattaya bay instead of Monaco.

[fabman5]

On 7/8/2019 at 8:25 AM, whaleboneman said:

And what would justify extraordinary racism?

Most Indian people I met in the UK were friendly. The Pakistanis however... 

[ThomasThBKK]

2 hours ago, JamJar said:

 

Yes. Higher because accommodation costs are higher. Cost of living is higher.  

You need more money to have an equivalent lifestyle.

 

So who is richer, the American who lives in a box in the sky in a big city working all hours or an Indian with half the amount of money with a large house replete with housemaids and gardeners etc?

 

So you continue to fool yourself, whilst you are scrabbling around in Thailand wondering why you are no longer considered the King of the Castle.

 

many of the 'working' thai girls have more than you. House upcountry paid off and nice income from the saps who think they are saving her.

 

 

 

 

 

No, it's higher because their economic output is higher.

With no money in the world you can compare living in mumbai to nyc. It just doesn't have the ammenities.

And that's why they are all fleeing and buying passports around the world: https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/economy/indicators/millionaires-fleeing-india-in-larger-numbers-report/articleshow/69292477.cms

[SoulKid]

8 hours ago, lamyai3 said:

I'd take that as a no then. You sound like a university student peddling the opinions of their lefty professor.

 

Get out of your mum's basement and try visiting India for real. I lived there for 6-7 years in the 90's and my comments bring in the opinions of many Indians I met there, who've considered the country to be declining rather than advancing in recent decades. 

I lived in India for 23 years and recently been traveling around the world and it surprised me to see that most of the western people don't know anything about India except the stereotypes they hear from other westerners and also what they see on TV like Bollywood, slums, poor and dirty people. They'll be surprised to see how much Indians know about the their world and history.

Of course there is rampant religious interference that is hindering the development but it is nowhere near declining. It's growing rapidly.
India's economy has become 7th largest by GDP and 3rd largest by PPP in just 70 years. The whole corporate world is looking to tap into the growing spending power of the middle class in India and the population of middle class is growing very fast. Every big company is trying to set up camps in India to get that middle class consumer money. Because of more spending power there is a growing influx of Indian tourists around the world and Thailand being the cheapest and closest gets the most of them.

 

Now you'll say they don't have money to feed the poor people. Yes, there are many poor people struggling to put food on their table but these poor people are everywhere. The homeless and poor population in the west is growing exponentially. There are begging homeless people on the streets all over the place. I've even seen many people working in silicon valley and big cities in good jobs but still cannot afford to get a house to live in and live in their cars with their family or homeless shelters.

It took west 100s of years to build the infrastructure and lifestyle they have today with such a small population. Many countries are still poor and struggling.
So, it's not right to say India is poor and underdeveloped because it's too soon to say that. It's merely 70 years old after British and Mughals left it with nothing and already grown so much and now ahead of many countries. In 100s of years it'll become the superpower again I am sure and it's already happening which you can see.

Edited July 10, 2019 by SoulKid

[ttrd]

12 hours ago, balo said:

Mostly Indian men travel to Pattaya and Phuket for sex, they want cheap hookers. They travel in groups to save money. 

If this is the future of tourism in Thailand , they can close down 90% of the restaurants and bars. 

For sure the restaurants as the majority of the Indians eat mainly in Indian restaurants ...

 

The near future of the tourism in Thailand seems to be a mix of Cheap Charlies from India and China and in the long term it may be the Africans … 

[petemoss]

16 minutes ago, ttrd said:

For sure the restaurants as the majority of the Indians eat mainly in Indian restaurants ...

You actually don't see many in Indian restaurants in Pattaya, Mind you you don't see many customers of any nationality in Indian restaurants in Pattaya.

 

I suspect that the indians tend to eat on the floor of their hotel bedrooms after visiting the nearest 7/11.

[lamyai3]

5 hours ago, SoulKid said:

I lived in India for 23 years and recently been traveling around the world and it surprised me to see that most of the western people don't know anything about India except the stereotypes they hear from other westerners and also what they see on TV like Bollywood, slums, poor and dirty people. They'll be surprised to see how much Indians know about the their world and history.

I had an interesting dinner with a young man and his grandfather in Bangalore back in the 90s, when I lived in India for several years. The young man apologised to me when first introducing his grandfather (after I said I was from England), and mentioned that the old man had bitter memories of growing up in the days of the Raj, though he was friendly and civil with me throughout. The grandson on the other hand made it clear several times that he didn't really agree with his grandfather on this, and he was more despairing of the corruption, poverty, pollution and overpopulation, all of which has proliferated in his own lifetime. He blamed this fairly and squarely on the entrenched and heavily superstitious ways of thinking in the country, none of which could be remotely blamed on British India. The caste system, the institutionalised begging, the entrenched corruption in politics and religion make Thailand look like rank amateurs in comparison. 

 

In fact this old man was the only one I ever encountered there who expressed such views to me. I met many other people of every generation who expressed pride in the great railways, the grand architecture of the cities, the local proficiency in the English language, even the legal and bureaucratic systems there. Let's not forget the British also banned such inhumane practices as female infanticide and widow burning (sati). When I first visited India I'd actually expected to encounter some animosity due to the British history there, but I found the opposite to be true and that they locals were engaging and congenial, far more so than Indians I met who've resettled in other countries, and seemed to want to distance themselves from their culture.

[CharlieH]

Off topic post removed.

[sunnyboy2018]

II have read this before and i have notice more hi so upper class indians around...but the chinese are still pouring in.

[sunnyboy2018]

10 minutes ago, lamyai3 said:

I had an interesting dinner with a young man and his grandfather in Bangalore back in the 90s, when I lived in India for several years. The young man apologised to me when first introducing his grandfather (after I said I was from England), and mentioned that the old man had bitter memories of growing up in the days of the Raj, though he was friendly and civil with me throughout. The grandson on the other hand made it clear several times that he didn't really agree with his grandfather on this, and he was more despairing of the corruption, poverty, pollution and overpopulation, all of which has proliferated in his own lifetime. He blamed this fairly and squarely on the entrenched and heavily superstitious ways of thinking in the country, none of which could be remotely blamed on British India. The caste system, the institutionalised begging, the entrenched corruption in politics and religion make Thailand look like rank amateurs in comparison. 

 

In fact this old man was the only one I ever encountered there who expressed such views to me. I met many other people of every generation who expressed pride in the great railways, the grand architecture of the cities, the local proficiency in the English language, even the legal and bureaucratic systems there. Let's not forget the British also banned such inhumane practices as female infanticide and widow burning (sati). When I first visited India I'd actually expected to encounter some animosity due to the British history there, but I found the opposite to be true and that they locals were engaging and congenial, far more so than Indians I met who've resettled in other countries, and seemed to want to distance themselves from their culture.

When I was in India in 74 near chandagar in  ambala cant  an old men said to me; :When the British left India justice left India".

 

[SoulKid]

4 hours ago, ttrd said:

For sure the restaurants as the majority of the Indians eat mainly in Indian restaurants ...

 

The near future of the tourism in Thailand seems to be a mix of Cheap Charlies from India and China and in the long term it may be the Africans … 

 

3 hours ago, petemoss said:

You actually don't see many in Indian restaurants in Pattaya, Mind you you don't see many customers of any nationality in Indian restaurants in Pattaya.

 

I suspect that the indians tend to eat on the floor of their hotel bedrooms after visiting the nearest 7/11.

Do you really think westerners eat in Thai restaurants and support Thai economy. Nearly all of them eat in western own fast food chains and restaurants because they cannot get enough of their burgers and pizzas and think that Asian food is going to make them sick. So all of them stick to foreign owned brands which contributes nothing to Thai economy. Even shopping at 7/11 is giving the revenue to US and Japan. 
If you really want to contribute to Thai economy then eat at roadside stalls and Thai restaurants and food chains and not at McDonalds and 7/11.

Indians eat in Indian restaurants because majority of them are vegetarians and there is hardly any veg food in Thai dishes. They have no option and that's why there's always an Indian restaurant anywhere you go in the world. Get your facts straight. Indians will always go to an Indian restaurant and not 7/11 because they don't eat bread like the farangs. I hope you know about Gaggan restaurant in Bangkok which is consistently ranked Asia's best for many years. It's an Indian restaurant and owned by an Indian. Really hard to even get a reservation there as it's always book for the whole year. There is another called Rang Mahal in Rembrandt Hotel which is an experience on its own and always full of farangs who come there with their dates and families. So don't think that no one eats Indian food because I always see many westerners in Indian restaurants drooling over the food and cannot comprehend how good the food is compared to soggy breads they eat all the time in the west.

If you have never tried Indian food then you have wasted your life.

[SoulKid]

25 minutes ago, lamyai3 said:

I had an interesting dinner with a young man and his grandfather in Bangalore back in the 90s, when I lived in India for several years. The young man apologised to me when first introducing his grandfather (after I said I was from England), and mentioned that the old man had bitter memories of growing up in the days of the Raj, though he was friendly and civil with me throughout. The grandson on the other hand made it clear several times that he didn't really agree with his grandfather on this, and he was more despairing of the corruption, poverty, pollution and overpopulation, all of which has proliferated in his own lifetime. He blamed this fairly and squarely on the entrenched and heavily superstitious ways of thinking in the country, none of which could be remotely blamed on British India. The caste system, the institutionalised begging, the entrenched corruption in politics and religion make Thailand look like rank amateurs in comparison. 

 

In fact this old man was the only one I ever encountered there who expressed such views to me. I met many other people of every generation who expressed pride in the great railways, the grand architecture of the cities, the local proficiency in the English language, even the legal and bureaucratic systems there. Let's not forget the British also banned such inhumane practices as female infanticide and widow burning (sati). When I first visited India I'd actually expected to encounter some animosity due to the British history there, but I found the opposite to be true and that they locals were engaging and congenial, far more so than Indians I met who've resettled in other countries, and seemed to want to distance themselves from their culture.

That old man lived in a time of the British Raj. He had first hand experience of what really happened in the country. The young generation never experienced anything but progress and freedom throughout their lives so they are not really the kind of people you want to get the facts from.

The freedom they are enjoying is because of the millions of Indians who fought and died for it to throw the British out. The British never intended to give them freedom but only used their differences to rule them.
Before the British, India was under the Mughals who created the toxic conditions among religious groups that you see right now and that the British exploited to colonize India. Divide and Conquer.

Indians have the most highest level of English proficiency in all of Asia and also compared to many countries in the west, not because the British gave it to them but because of the excellent education system. Thailand, like many countries around Asia, has so many NES teachers and yet the English level there is below average. There are no NES teaching english to Indian kids and yet they learn to speak english better than anyone.

[lamyai3]

47 minutes ago, SoulKid said:

Indians have the most highest level of English proficiency in all of Asia and also compared to many countries in the west, not because the British gave it to them but because of the excellent education system.

Who do you think implemented this education system? Is it any coincidence that spoken English is far advanced in those countries that were formally colonised?

 

Living in India during the 90s I met plenty of people who grew up under (and remembered) British rule prior to 1947. As I made clear, the grandfather in my story was the only one I remember of that generation who expressed this view of injustice, and I didn't hear this opinion from other people of a similar age to him, who I found to be much more critical of modern India. Don't forget also, that while the older generation have their own memories of days under colonial rule (whatever these might be), the same people have also seen first hand the 20th century decline in many aspects of the country - only a fool would blame such things on the British. 

 

As you point out, India was little more than a collection of warring kingdoms prior to the British. You'd have to be an idli short of a tiffin box to think they'd have developed modern medicine, education and industrialisation by themselves - though your comments about the Indian education system suggest that you believe it. 

Edited July 10, 2019 by lamyai3

[Small Joke]

These high flyers would be the three guys and one bottle of leo at a gogo? 

 

Or the nine guys having a party in the hotel lobby -not the lounge, the reception lobby- with sneaked in duty free whiskey and one bargirl between them? 

 

Oh Thailand you've finally hit the tourist motherlode!