Two officers defend the killing of protected leopard cat and snake

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Two officers defend the killing of protected leopard cat and snake

 

 

Two non-commissioned army officers, based in Thailand’s northern province of Chiang Mai, have separately defended the killing of a leopard cat and a Chinese rat snake, both protected species.

 

The two officers Sgt. Charoensak Pongsrisuk, based at an army camp in Mae Rim district, and an unidentified sergeant major, based at another army camp in Chiang Dao district, are being separately held in military custody pending investigations.

 

Charoensak was depicted on the webpage of Watchdog Thailand, the website of a group of conservationists, holding a dead leopard cat which he allegedly killed in the compound of the camp adjoining the Doi Suthep-Pui national park. He was temporarily suspended from duty and his family was ordered to move out of the barracks within seven days.

 

Source: https://www.thaipbsworld.com/two-officers-defend-the-killing-of-protected-leopard-cat-and-snake/

 

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[bangkokfrog]

Leopard cats are apparently known as poultry thieves and the first guy's story is almost believable, especially as he was "hunting" with a home-made rifle. What is interesting is his commanding officer's ironic comment: "He confirmed that the army does not protect wrongdoers." This is clearly c**p, and it looks like a decision has already been made to protect the army's "good" name as the man is in custody and his family have been ordered off the base.

[canuckamuck]

I am confused about the snake part. I couldn't find a Chinese rat snake on a search, but the Indochinese rat snake is considered very common. I can't imagine it is a protected species.

[mok199]

Chickens and cats can live together in harmony....Sylvester and tweety bird do it...

[bangkokfrog]

1 hour ago, mok199 said:

Chickens and cats can live together in harmony....Sylvester and tweety bird do it...

Not so sure about that. Would love to see Sylvester finally get his claws into too sweet to be true Tweety and do what cats do.

[londonthai]

even if leopard was in the compound, it's still protected and should not be killed in other circumstances, that self defence or defence of other people being attacked. But it was not case here, animal was killed for a trophy.

Officer posted his picture in a closed group for hunter on Line, but it was leaked. He was a hunter, with a riffle,

not just a soldier guarding the camp

[neeray]

 He confirmed that the army does not protect wrongdoers. (from the main article)

 

This is a good policy. Too bad it isn't fully adhered to.

[30la]

There are animals, humans and at the beginning of evolution soldiers, without brains and without feelings for other living beings!

[Misterwhisper]

1 hour ago, bangkokfrog said:

Not so sure about that. Would love to see Sylvester finally get his claws into too sweet to be true Tweety and do what cats do.

I've always hated obnoxious Tweety and am in full support of Sylvester.

[nickstav]

Rat snakes are not poisonous and not a danger to humans, although they can resemble a cobra. They are very common in Thailand. The cat killer took a shot in the dark at some reflective eyes. Don't they teach them in the army to be sure of your target? That's one of the first things you learn as a hunter. Both should receive the appropriate punishments for killing a protected species. Case closed!

[hotchilli]

2 hours ago, nickstav said:

That's one of the first things you learn as a hunter.

That's one of the first things you should learn as a hunter.

I did a lifetime of animal management back home in England in the confines of the New Forest in Hampshire, mainly on private land within the forest boundaries, but also with forest keepers when asked to help out during culling periods... I was always taught to affirm the target twice shoot once.

A friend of mine who was new to the game got his first .22 rifle to do some rabbit shooting, he was at his friends home where he rented a room, he looked out of an upper bedroom window one night and took a shot at what he thought was a fox in the back paddock, he actually shot his friends wifes horse !!!

Luckily he was still a crap shot and only grazed the animals upper ear.. lesson learnt one would think.

Not so, a year later he paid for a nights boar shooting in Belgium, he managed to go into a high seat and blow a hole through the roof... he was invited to leave the next morning.

I never invited him out either!

[transam]

Perhaps the pair were bored, nothing to do with their shooters. They should be sent down south to lay in the bush to take out naughty religious folk, but they will be armed, different kettle of fish...

[overherebc]

44 minutes ago, hotchilli said:

That's one of the first things you should learn as a hunter.

I did a lifetime of animal management back home in England in the confines of the New Forest in Hampshire, mainly on private land within the forest boundaries, but also with forest keepers when asked to help out during culling periods... I was always taught to affirm the target twice shoot once.

A friend of mine who was new to the game got his first .22 rifle to do some rabbit shooting, he was at his friends home where he rented a room, he looked out of an upper bedroom window one night and took a shot at what he thought was a fox in the back paddock, he actually shot his friends wifes horse !!!

Luckily he was still a crap shot and only grazed the animals upper ear.. lesson learnt one would think.

Not so, a year later he paid for a nights boar shooting in Belgium, he managed to go into a high seat and blow a hole through the roof... he was invited to leave the next morning.

I never invited him out either!

Was told a story in Canada, that I want to be true, about 3 guys going hunting and travelling by canoe.

Two were paddling and the third ( youngest ) was sitting on the bottom with his new shotgun resting the butt on the canoe floor.

Somehow he managed to pull the trigger and the shotgun disappeared to the floor of the lake.

They just made it to the lakeshore before the canoe went down.

[bangrak]

10 hours ago, bangkokfrog said:

Leopard cats are apparently known as poultry thieves and the first guy's story is almost believable, especially as he was "hunting" with a home-made rifle. What is interesting is his commanding officer's ironic comment: "He confirmed that the army does not protect wrongdoers." This is clearly c**p, and it looks like a decision has already been made to protect the army's "good" name as the man is in custody and his family have been ordered off the base.

I wonder whether the parts to make his gun might 'originate' from the RTA, and whether that rifle was, possibly, made in some army workshop...?

Also, having him shooting with a rifle inside the boundaries of an army camp, could hardly go un-noticed, isn't it, even in Thailand? When so, will ALL the members of the RTA in the know, and more so those having issuing instructions to let this happen, be named and shamed? Na-ah, guess not, we soldiers stick together and close ranks to protect our brothers...

[IslandLover]

11 hours ago, bangkokfrog said:

Leopard cats are apparently known as poultry thieves and the first guy's story is almost believable, especially as he was "hunting" with a home-made rifle. What is interesting is his commanding officer's ironic comment: "He confirmed that the army does not protect wrongdoers." This is clearly c**p, and it looks like a decision has already been made to protect the army's "good" name as the man is in custody and his family have been ordered off the base.

The man was protecting his "fighting birds".  Says it all really .

[IslandLover]

8 hours ago, londonthai said:

even if leopard was in the compound, it's still protected and should not be killed in other circumstances, that self defence or defence of other people being attacked. But it was not case here, animal was killed for a trophy.

Officer posted his picture in a closed group for hunter on Line, but it was leaked. He was a hunter, with a riffle,

not just a soldier guarding the camp

The photo of him holding up the dead animal spoke volumes .

[IslandLover]

6 hours ago, Misterwhisper said:

I've always hated obnoxious Tweety and am in full support of Sylvester.

Me too .

[RocketDog]

On 7/12/2019 at 9:59 AM, Misterwhisper said:

I've always hated obnoxious Tweety and am in full support of Sylvester.

Somebody should start a go fund me legal defense fund for Sylvester and then cut him loose to follow his culinary instincts.

[nickstav]

On ‎7‎/‎12‎/‎2019 at 1:54 AM, hotchilli said:

That's one of the first things you should learn as a hunter.

I did a lifetime of animal management back home in England in the confines of the New Forest in Hampshire, mainly on private land within the forest boundaries, but also with forest keepers when asked to help out during culling periods... I was always taught to affirm the target twice shoot once.

A friend of mine who was new to the game got his first .22 rifle to do some rabbit shooting, he was at his friends home where he rented a room, he looked out of an upper bedroom window one night and took a shot at what he thought was a fox in the back paddock, he actually shot his friends wifes horse !!!

Luckily he was still a crap shot and only grazed the animals upper ear.. lesson learnt one would think.

Not so, a year later he paid for a nights boar shooting in Belgium, he managed to go into a high seat and blow a hole through the roof... he was invited to leave the next morning.

I never invited him out either!

Well, foxes and horses do look a lot alike. They both have four legs, and a head, and a tail. The size difference is trivial.

[ThaiBunny]

2 minutes ago, nickstav said:

Well, foxes and horses do look a lot alike. They both have four legs, and a head, and a tail. The size difference is trivial.

But did the leopard cat identify as a leopard cat? Maybe it identified as just a cat? Or even a dog