Red-shirt leader Jatuporn suggests opposition MPs shape up and focus on real issues

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Red-shirt leader suggests opposition MPs shape up and focus on real issues

 

(Photo) Jatuporn Prompan’s Facebook page

 

Red-shirt leader Jatuporn Prompan has urged opposition MPs to stop talking about the insignificant and focus on bread and butter issues which matter to the people, such as corruption and constitutional amendments.

 

“Issues about dress code, hairstyles or languages will never bring down the government, unlike real issues like the economy, corruption problems and constitutional amendments,” said the chairman of the United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship during his talk on Peace TV on Sunday night.

 

To begin with, he said that opposition MPs must do their homework if they are to censure the government and ministers during the presentation of the government policy statement next week, noting that a censure debate is about a fight over facts.

 

Full story: https://www.thaipbsworld.com/red-shirt-leader-suggests-opposition-mps-shape-up-and-focus-on-real-issues/

 

 

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[Reigntax]

Jatuporn and Suthep are the best or worst examples of how stuffed up Thailand is.

 

They both should be locked in the same room together for life and it should be televised live replacing Prayuths propaganda program.

 

It's ok Steven, Prayut can send you a personal video to keep the hairs raised on your back.

[Baerboxer]

I'm sure they'll all pay attention to this non elected chairman and ex-jailbird whose still trying to be relevant - not!

 

 

[OneMoreFarang]

Why is this accused terrorist still not in jail?

Since 2010 there should have been more than enough time to convict him.

[Eric Loh]

1 hour ago, Reigntax said:

Jatuporn and Suthep are the best or worst examples of how stuffed up Thailand is.

 

They both should be locked in the same room together for life and it should be televised live replacing Prayuths propaganda program.

 

It's ok Steven, Prayut can send you a personal video to keep the hairs raised on your back.

Suthep has laundry list of corruption and leading protest against an elected government while Jatuporn was charged for his involvement in demonstrations against the non-elected government and not on corruption. The former has yet to spend time in the cell while the latter did. Thailand is indeed stuffed up. 

[Jonnapat]

Thought he eas dead.

[pornprong]

3 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Why is this accused terrorist still not in jail?

Since 2010 there should have been more than enough time to convict him.

Isn't jail for CONVICTED felons?

[pornprong]

4 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

I'm sure they'll all pay attention to this non elected chairman and ex-jailbird whose still trying to be relevant - not!

 

 

The leader of the largest mass movement in the nation probably deserves a little attention. 

Certainly more so than an incoherent bumbling pro-junta TV poster does anyways.

[Ozman52]

24 minutes ago, pornprong said:

The leader of the largest mass movement in the nation probably deserves a little attention. 

Certainly more so than an incoherent bumbling pro-junta TV poster does anyways.

Who elected him leader? Oh right, the financier.

[OneMoreFarang]

2 hours ago, pornprong said:

Isn't jail for CONVICTED felons?

Please list any other countries in this world were accused terrorists are out on bail.

Many accused murderers and rapists are also in jail (imprisonment on remand). Or is that news for you?

[khaowong1]

I thought they had run him out of the country a long time ago.  He was a joke then and is a joke now.  

[pornprong]

2 minutes ago, khaowong1 said:

I thought they had run him out of the country a long time ago.  He was a joke then and is a joke now.  

You thought wrong, not once, but thrice in this single post.

[OneMoreFarang]

1 hour ago, pornprong said:

You thought wrong, not once, but thrice in this single post.

And that from a red buffalo...

[pornprong]

1 hour ago, OneMoreFarang said:

It was clear from the beginning that the red-shirts were hired so that Thaksin can get "his" money back.

They were never peaceful and they were never about democracy.

The red-shirts could have gone home, the government even provided busses for them.

But they didn't go home. And Jatuporn and others told them to bring gasoline to burn down the city.

And the city burned. And all that is well documented.

Nobody had to die. They could have just gone home.

I am really sorry for the soldiers who had to work there and who were injured or died.

Thailand has witnessed several instance of street mobs since 2005, on all but one of those occasions the mob that started the chaos was from the anti-democracy "Yellow" side. 2010 is the lone exception when the Reds were the initiators.

 

The outcome from the 2005, 2008 and 2013 protests was a change in government.

 

The outcome from the 2010 protest was no change in government and 100 slaughtered civilians.

 

Broadly speaking, these differing outcomes can be explained one of two ways:

 

1. The Reds were far more violent than the Yellows

2. The military reacted differently to each group - based not on the level of violence but on political allegiances.

 

Any reasonable and impartial assessment of the events is going to arrive at only one conclusion.

 

1 hour ago, OneMoreFarang said:

But I don't think any of these facts will make a difference to you.

Before you can make a statement such as this, you'll first have to set aside the propaganda and familiarise yourself with the facts.

 

[OneMoreFarang]

1 hour ago, pornprong said:

The Reds were far more violent than the Yellows

Correct

And let's not forget that the majority of them was paid by their puppet master.

[Chang_paarp]

Here's something I never thought I would say;

I actually agree what Jatuporn is reported to have said, it makes sense.

 

His time in prison must have done him some good, he is actually speaking sense. Waiting for him to revert to type, it won't be long.

[pornprong]

2 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Correct

And let's not forget that the majority of them was paid by their puppet master.

Incorrect (but not surprising given your politics).

And let's not forget, throughout history, in all nations, for all causes, long term protesters are funded.

 

If you can't see the injustices of the past 14 years of political turmoil in Thailand, if you are unable to correctly identify those who have caused the problems as those who have benefitted from them, then too bad for you I guess as you are existing within a bubble of self imposed delusion at odds with reality.

[metisdead]

Please use discretion in your references to the government. Phrases which can be considered as anti-coup will be removed. Referring to Thailand or the government as a dictatorship, military dictatorship or other such terms will be removed.

[Ozman52]

19 minutes ago, pornprong said:

Incorrect (but not surprising given your politics).

And let's not forget, throughout history, in all nations, for all causes, long term protesters are funded.

 

If you can't see the injustices of the past 14 years of political turmoil in Thailand, if you are unable to correctly identify those who have caused the problems as those who have benefitted from them, then too bad for you I guess as you are existing within a bubble of self imposed delusion at odds with reality.

Oh right, the UDD were "long term protesters", a rather polite way to describe a pack of mercenary propagandists and agitators. Let's take Jatuporn in particular; plenty of wealth but no declared income, people just gave him things! Of course, he missed out on the party list seat the others were handed for their crimes, but not for want of trying. 

[OneMoreFarang]

31 minutes ago, pornprong said:

Incorrect (but not surprising given your politics).

And let's not forget, throughout history, in all nations, for all causes, long term protesters are funded.

 

If you can't see the injustices of the past 14 years of political turmoil in Thailand, if you are unable to correctly identify those who have caused the problems as those who have benefitted from them, then too bad for you I guess as you are existing within a bubble of self imposed delusion at odds with reality.

I will try to make it easy for you:

Thaksin was super corrupt and he was removed.

All Thaksin clones worked for Thaksin and were removed.

Even you should be able to look up many of the corrupt deals for which people were convicted. There are still lots of cases going on.

 

Imagine the super rich Thaksin would have worked for all Thai people. When he started he told everybody that he is already rich and that is why he would be such a good PM because he does not need more money. And then soon he had to admit his not so honest mistake hiding money with his maid, drivers, gardeners, etc.

Obviously Thaksin was and is not honest. He is a wanted criminal.

 

Now how many coups would we have had if Thaksin would have worked for the people? Imagine if he would not have enriched himself but actually worked to make Thailand better. He could have done that. He did some good things. Thaksin is not stupid.

But he is greedy, very greedy, so he had to make sure that he and his cronies make a lot more money.

And that was when people got upset and when we had more and more demonstrations.

And at some stage the military took over, peacefully, because lots of people (especially the tax payers in Bangkok) were happy that Thaksin was removed.

But Thaksin continued. And his little sister continued. Greedy same same. And history repeated himself.

 

Thaksin could have been the great leader beloved by everybody without coups - if he wouldn't have been so greedy.

It was his choice and the red-shirts are his "army" like PT is his party.

He is responsible for all the bad things which happened because he is so greedy.

It shouldn't be too difficult for you to understand this.

 

[rickudon]

Yes, Thaksin was corrupt. The people in Bangkok didn't like him because instead of spending all the tax money on Bangkok he spent some of it on the poorer provinces.

 

Differences between the yellow and red shirts? The yellow shirts shut down the airport in 2008 and blockaded passengers inside - they attacked tourists to get at the government. I know what it was like because i was there. The police and army did nothing to stop it. At least the government did help the tourists who were stuck (a bit). In 2010 the red shirts demonstrated against Abhisit's government in one area, didn't inconvenience tourists (one street away you wouldn't know about it) and were shot down like dogs. The government got there response in what was nearly an uprising in the North and North-east with government buildings burnt down.

 

After the democrats failed in the next election, didn't take the yellow shirts long to start their activities again. The yellow shirts realised that they would never win a truly democratic election, and the rest is history ....

[Eric Loh]

7 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

I will try to make it easy for you:

Thaksin was super corrupt and he was removed.

All Thaksin clones worked for Thaksin and were removed.

Even you should be able to look up many of the corrupt deals for which people were convicted. There are still lots of cases going on.

 

Imagine the super rich Thaksin would have worked for all Thai people. When he started he told everybody that he is already rich and that is why he would be such a good PM because he does not need more money. And then soon he had to admit his not so honest mistake hiding money with his maid, drivers, gardeners, etc.

Obviously Thaksin was and is not honest. He is a wanted criminal.

 

Now how many coups would we have had if Thaksin would have worked for the people? Imagine if he would not have enriched himself but actually worked to make Thailand better. He could have done that. He did some good things. Thaksin is not stupid.

But he is greedy, very greedy, so he had to make sure that he and his cronies make a lot more money.

And that was when people got upset and when we had more and more demonstrations.

And at some stage the military took over, peacefully, because lots of people (especially the tax payers in Bangkok) were happy that Thaksin was removed.

But Thaksin continued. And his little sister continued. Greedy same same. And history repeated himself.

 

Thaksin could have been the great leader beloved by everybody without coups - if he wouldn't have been so greedy.

It was his choice and the red-shirts are his "army" like PT is his party.

He is responsible for all the bad things which happened because he is so greedy.

It shouldn't be too difficult for you to understand this.

 

Lost soul who still believed that coups were due to Thaksin corruption and greed. You do need to know more about Thailand history. The long years in Thailand and staying in Sukhumvit don’t seem to help your understanding much. 

[Eric Loh]

8 hours ago, Ozman52 said:

Oh right, the UDD were "long term protesters", a rather polite way to describe a pack of mercenary propagandists and agitators. Let's take Jatuporn in particular; plenty of wealth but no declared income, people just gave him things! Of course, he missed out on the party list seat the others were handed for their crimes, but not for want of trying. 

Jatuporn declared his income at 8 M Baht in accordance to the legal requirement. Don’t you ever take time to find out? Do you know Prayut and Prawit declared income? 128 M and 87 M baht respectively from soldier salary. 

 

 

 

 

[bangrak]

On 7/15/2019 at 9:01 AM, Eric Loh said:

Suthep has laundry list of corruption and leading protest against an elected government while Jatuporn was charged for his involvement in demonstrations against the non-elected government and not on corruption. The former has yet to spend time in the cell while the latter did. Thailand is indeed stuffed up. 

Khun Eric, do you mean accused of terrorism Jatuporn does not have to stand in front of a Court, really?

[bangrak]

7 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Jatuporn declared his income at 8 M Baht in accordance to the legal requirement. Don’t you ever take time to find out? Do you know Prayut and Prawit declared income? 128 M and 87 M baht respectively from soldier salary. 

 

 

 

 

Khun Eric, it is IMO very disappointing that you still climb on the barricade here about a ..., a 'being' like that Jatuporn. I give you the credit that it are you clients making you to, possibly still having future plans for that kind of monsters. Pray not, but considering the turpitude of the clan you represent... 

[Eric Loh]

23 minutes ago, bangrak said:

Khun Eric, do you mean accused of terrorism Jatuporn does not have to stand in front of a Court, really?

You do understand the term innocent until proven guilty. 

[Eric Loh]

19 minutes ago, bangrak said:

Khun Eric, it is IMO very disappointing that you still climb on the barricade here about a ..., a 'being' like that Jatuporn. I give you the credit that it are you clients making you to, possibly still having future plans for that kind of monsters. Pray not, but considering the turpitude of the clan you represent... 

Well to be fair he been prosecuted and jailed by your clan who really has the leverage over the judiciary institutions. On top on that they grant themselves amnesty. Even their aligned politicians don’t see jail time. 

 

[OneMoreFarang]

8 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Lost soul who still believed that coups were due to Thaksin corruption and greed. You do need to know more about Thailand history. The long years in Thailand and staying in Sukhumvit don’t seem to help your understanding much. 

It's always interesting that people like you know everything so much better.

Where are you located? Somewhere up country in a red village? Yeah, I am sure the news and education in such a place is so much better.

Enjoy your ignorance. 

[bangrak]

15 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Well to be fair he been prosecuted and jailed by your clan who really has the leverage over the judiciary institutions. On top on that they grant themselves amnesty. Even their aligned politicians don’t see jail time. 

 

Khun Eric, please, erm, maybe, possibly there is something like 'your clan', a 'clan' you write about, or is it: write for!? But I am no part of a, of any, 'clan'. When I write a comment, a reaction, here and elsewhere, it is MY, personal opinion, whichever individual and whatever entity might be concerned!

[Eric Loh]

15 minutes ago, bangrak said:

Khun Eric, please, erm, maybe, possibly there is something like 'your clan', a 'clan' you write about, or is it: write for!? But I am no part of a, of any, 'clan'. When I write a comment, a reaction, here and elsewhere, it is MY, personal opinion, whichever individual and whatever entity might be concerned!

Perhaps you do some self reflection on the number of times you tried to insinuate others of clan association. The only 'clan' that I support is democracy and I dislike bullies aka the military. I also inject myself into any conversation if facts are noticeably ignored. I respect your honesty as regards to clan association and I hope you respect mine too.