Allies play hard to get on U.S. proposal to protect oil shipping lanes

[bristolboy]

17 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

Iran Spends $16 Billion Annually to Support Terrorists and Rogue Regimes.

https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2018/01/10/iran-spends-16-billion-annually-to-support-terrorists-and-rogue-regimes/

 

That comes from FDD. This is the organization that helped instigate the USA's involvement in the Syrian Civil War. It also publishes the Long War Journal. Remember that phrase "the long war." It's a neoconservative battle cry. Not heard much anymore. The Iraq War put the kibosh on it.

And even if true, how much of that 16 billion would go to activities that are actually terrorist. And what percentage of Iran's budget is devoted to terrorism? Yet somehow some poeple know that all the money realized from the sale of that cargo is going to go to support terrorism. Ridiculous.

[bristolboy]

8 hours ago, Morch said:

 

In shift, EU sanctions Iran over planned Europe attacks

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-sanctions/in-shift-eu-sanctions-iran-over-planned-europe-attacks-idUSKCN1P20UA

 

U.K. Seized Tons of Explosive Materials Linked to Hezbollah in 2015, Report Says

https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/report-u-k-seized-tonnes-of-explosive-materials-linked-to-hezbollah-in-2015-1.7345269

 

And the local angle...

 

Iranians convicted over Bangkok bomb plot

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/22/thai-court-convicts-iranians-bomb-plot

 

 

 

Let's take a look at those terrorist plans

The first consisted of a program to assassinate enemies of the regime. Very bad certainly. But not the same as Sunni attack on large groups of random civilians.

The second was Hezbollah. Hezbollah is not always Iran's catspaw. No evidence at all suggesting Iran directed this attack. And the incident itself seems bizarre.

"A "well-placed source" told the Telegraph that the suspect arrested at the scene was released without charge due to the fact that the plot had "been disrupted by a covert intelligence operation rather than seeking a prosecution.""

The third incident again was a planned targeted attack on Israeli diplomats. Again, very bad. But not the same as a sunni terrorist attack on large groups of random civilians.

 

 

[marcusarelus]

8 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

That comes from FDD. This is the organization that helped instigate the USA's involvement in the Syrian Civil War. It also publishes the Long War Journal. Remember that phrase "the long war." It's a neoconservative battle cry. Not heard much anymore. The Iraq War put the kibosh on it.

And even if true, how much of that 16 billion would go to activities that are actually terrorist. And what percentage of Iran's budget is devoted to terrorism? Yet somehow some poeple know that all the money realized from the sale of that cargo is going to go to support terrorism. Ridiculous.

The Iranian regime has long used oil revenues to support its destabilizing activities and fund terrorist proxies throughout the world.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/president-donald-j-trump-working-bring-irans-oil-exports-zero/

 

[bristolboy]

36 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

The Iranian regime has long used oil revenues to support its destabilizing activities and fund terrorist proxies throughout the world.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/president-donald-j-trump-working-bring-irans-oil-exports-zero/

 

From www.whitehouse.gov. Straight from the Trump administration. You know, Donald Trump, who claimed that the Iranians were violating the nuclear deal. Mike Pompeo who claimed that an Iranian attack in Afghanistan on US troops was done at the behest of Iran. 

It is to laugh.

Edited July 22, 2019 by bristolboy

[Rimmer]

Some bickering posts removed

[billd766]

4 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

What would happen if the US just packed it and left the entire region. Just said here you go, go Saddam H. batshite crazy and do what you want to whoever you want. Oh and by the way, no one......absolutely no one from the middle east will ever be allowed into the USA. Here you go the rest of the world, take care of it.

 

Naturally the USA will STOP selling arms, ammunition, spare parts and nuclear technology to all the states in the region, especially SA.

[EVENKEEL]

1 hour ago, billd766 said:

 

Naturally the USA will STOP selling arms, ammunition, spare parts and nuclear technology to all the states in the region, especially SA.

Sounds good to me. Let them all take care of themselves. If the allies won't stand behind the US and the UK, they can have it.

[bristolboy]

1 hour ago, EVENKEEL said:

Sounds good to me. Let them all take care of themselves. If the allies won't stand behind the US and the UK, they can have it.

It's far from a sure thing that even the UK will stand by the US. The UK has already demonstrated that it is extremely opposed to the US sanctions.

[billd766]

On 7/20/2019 at 1:32 PM, bristolboy said:

Just recently there was an article in Politico that showed Trump had already drastically reduced his demands. Now they're just about Iran's nuclear program. Before it wasn't just about nuclear weapons, but about missiles and Iran's involvement in military action elsewhere in the region. So Trump is already retreating. He can't be too thrilled about this situation. Some are so shocked and awed by the USA's impressive armed forces that they forget that Iran has leverage over Trump, too. I think there's a good chance we'll end up with another of Trump's retreats like the replacement for NAFTA: a few small changes but basically the same.

I truly hope so and the sooner the better.

[Scott]

Off-topic post removed.