snoop1130 Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 China warns of war in case of move toward Taiwan independence By Michael Martina FILE PHOTO: A demonstrator holds flags of Taiwan and the United States in support of Taiwanese President Tsai Ing-wen during a stop-over after her visit to Latin America in Burlingame, California, U.S., January 14, 2017. REUTERS/Stephen Lam/File Photo BEIJING (Reuters) - China warned on Wednesday that it was ready for war if there was any move toward Taiwan’s independence, accusing the United States of undermining global stability and denouncing its arms sales to the self-ruled island. The Pentagon said this month the U.S. State Department had approved sales of weapons requested by Taiwan, including tanks and Stinger missiles estimated to be worth $2.2 billion. China responded by saying it would impose sanctions on U.S. firms involved in any deals. Defense ministry spokesman Wu Qian told a news briefing on a defense white paper, the first like it in several years to outline the military’s strategic concerns, that China would make its greatest effort for peaceful reunification with Taiwan. “However, we must firmly point out that seeking Taiwan independence is a dead end,” Wu said. “If there are people who dare to try to split Taiwan from the country, China’s military will be ready to go to war to firmly safeguard national sovereignty, unity, and territorial integrity,” he said. The United States is the main arms supplier to Taiwan, which China deems a wayward province. Beijing has never renounced the use of force to bring the island under its control. The United States has no formal ties with democratic Taiwan, but is bound by law to help provide it with the means to defend itself. The Chinese ministry said the United States had “provoked intensified competition among major countries, significantly increased its defense expenditure ... and undermined global strategic stability.” ‘MALICIOUS ACTS’ Taiwan’s Mainland Affairs Council said later in a statement that Beijing’s “provocative behavior ... seriously violated the peace principle in international laws and relations, challenging regional safety and order”. “We urge Beijing authorities to renounce irrational, malicious acts such as the use of force, and to improve cross-strait relations and handle issues including Hong Kong rationally, so that it can be a responsible regional member,” it said. In Beijing, asked how China’s military would handle escalating protest violence in Hong Kong’s widening crisis over a controversial extradition bill, Wu referred only to the territory’s garrison law, which he said “already has a clear stipulation”. That law states that the Hong Kong government can request the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) garrison’s assistance to maintain public order. But legal scholars say it is a very high threshold, and some retired security officials say any involvement by PLA units in Hong Kong security would shatter the “one country, two systems” formula under which the former British colony returned to China in 1997. Wu also said reports of a secret pact with Cambodia granting China’s armed forces exclusive access to part of the Southeast Asian nation’s Ream Naval Base on the Gulf of Thailand were “not in accordance with the facts”. “China and Cambodia have in the past carried out positive exchanges and cooperation on military drills, personnel training and logistics,” he said. “This kind of cooperation does not target any third party.” -- © Copyright Reuters 2019-07-24 Follow Thaivisa on LINE for breaking Thailand news and visa info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveAustin Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 What a sad little bunch of insecure nitwits the politburo is. Oh, how one would dearly love to see the 'wayward' province smack the mighty vain dragon on the nose. Give em the finger, T! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soalbundy Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 Trump will rise to the bait and cause one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puchaiyank Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 Blah, blah, blah...there must be millions of flys swirling around Chinese government's BS...???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phkauf Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 Taiwan was NEVER part of China! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoffggi Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 China is like a spoiled brat, they love to belittle others but do not like anyone retaliating in any way.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyngai Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 If the East and West Germany can unite, why not mainland China and Taiwan ? Up until 40 years ago, South Korea and Taiwan both had authoritarian dictatorships. Why not democracy for mainland China ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyngai Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, ratcatcher said: Germany was one country before WW2, the Russians took over the eastern part until 1991 the country was divided. Taiwan was never part of China. The indigenous population were Austronesian https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan The indigenous population " Austronesian " has been fully absorbed by the new arrivals. Everyone in Taiwan considers themselves Han Chinese. Or you can say the Austronesians has lost their culture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaan sailor Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 So Chicoms take Tibet, Hong Kong, want Taiwan, Cambodia and yes, Thailand. When will this end? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traubert Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 3 hours ago, phkauf said: Taiwan was NEVER part of China! Taiwan considers mainland China to be part of their territory. Much like the Korean War, the Chinese Civil War never formally ended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTuner Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 Let's hope China goes the way of USSR, sooner the better. I'm starting to like these guys: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phkauf Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 4 hours ago, Traubert said: Taiwan considers mainland China to be part of their territory. I consider myself to be a genius and exceptionally good looking, but that doesn't make it so. China also consider almost the entirety of the water surrounding Vietnam to be theirs as well - but that doesn't make it so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 Troll posts removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
from the home of CC Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 In reality I don't see anyone doing anything if China decides to act. They would be willing to sacrifice substantially more to succeed than any country I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTuner Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, from the home of CC said: In reality I don't see anyone doing anything if China decides to act. They would be willing to sacrifice substantially more to succeed than any country I know. There would likely be sanctions, UN security council would yap, Taiwan would be obliterated. China would be contained and isolated though and commies are prone to implode when that happens. Silver lining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
from the home of CC Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, DrTuner said: There would likely be sanctions, UN security council would yap, Taiwan would be obliterated. China would be contained and isolated though and commies are prone to implode when that happens. Silver lining. I could see Russia taking their side over anyone else.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiSoLowSoNoSo Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 China going full speed to become the most hated country on this planet, I have met so many intelligent and nice Chinese people, but this group in control of the country must have most of their brain sells missing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roquefort Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 12 hours ago, Geoffggi said: China is like a spoiled brat, they love to belittle others but do not like anyone retaliating in any way.. Sounds like a perfect description of the orange-haired one............... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traubert Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 8 hours ago, phkauf said: I consider myself to be a genius and exceptionally good looking, but that doesn't make it so. China also consider almost the entirety of the water surrounding Vietnam to be theirs as well - but that doesn't make it so. So do Brunei, Malaysia, Indonesia, Philippines, Vietnam and Taiwan but that never gets mentioned. Those countries aren't forces to be reckoned with. Neither are they in each others faces about it. No-one else should get involved. I think you need to re-read. Taiwan considers the Chinese mainland to be their territory. Not vice-versa. I.e. Taiwan thinks it should rule China. Taiwan (The Republic of China) thinks it owns China (The Peoples Republic of China). If you need more help, don't be shy about asking. By the way, Taiwan drew the nine dash line, not the PRC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traubert Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 2 hours ago, DrTuner said: There would likely be sanctions, UN security council would yap, Taiwan would be obliterated. China would be contained and isolated though and commies are prone to implode when that happens. Silver lining. What sanctions would they put on China? It's quite a self sufficient place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guitarzan Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 22 hours ago, soalbundy said: Trump will rise to the bait and cause one It comes down to China owning the 1st island chain and Taiwan is part of that. So is Japan and a bunch of rocks in between Japan and Taiwan. Either the USA will not honor its defence treaty with Japan and security garrantees to Taiwan. In which case all you Forangie will be thrown out of Asia, Thailand, Vietnam Cambodia etc and you won’t get your cheap chicks anymore. China is is extremely vulnerable because most all of its energy comes through the straights of Mallorca and the south Xhuna sea. They want complete dominance and control of those waters... and it ain’t gonna happen. The USA has no choice other than to honor its treaties, and the security of Japan and Taiwan. China has no significant allies, does it really want to risk war with the USA, Japan, Taiwan and India? Thank God we have an adult in the White House, and not someone like Biden and the Clinton’s who will sell out the USA interests to the highest Chinese bidder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soalbundy Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 13 minutes ago, Guitarzan said: It comes down to China owning the 1st island chain and Taiwan is part of that. So is Japan and a bunch of rocks in between Japan and Taiwan. Either the USA will not honor its defence treaty with Japan and security garrantees to Taiwan. In which case all you Forangie will be thrown out of Asia, Thailand, Vietnam Cambodia etc and you won’t get your cheap chicks anymore. China is is extremely vulnerable because most all of its energy comes through the straights of Mallorca and the south Xhuna sea. They want complete dominance and control of those waters... and it ain’t gonna happen. The USA has no choice other than to honor its treaties, and the security of Japan and Taiwan. China has no significant allies, does it really want to risk war with the USA, Japan, Taiwan and India? Thank God we have an adult in the White House, and not someone like Biden and the Clinton’s who will sell out the USA interests to the highest Chinese bidder. you have a WHAT in the white house ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTuner Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 10 hours ago, Traubert said: What sanctions would they put on China? It's quite a self sufficient place. Well then they don't mind Trump's trade war at all and their economy is not slowing down one bit, now is it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpatOilWorker Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 They build this and many others for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpatOilWorker Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 The PLA already have plans for transportation across the Taiwan strait. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zubr-class_LCAC) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guitarzan Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 8 hours ago, soalbundy said: you have a WHAT in the white house ? Yes an adult, I know it’s hard to believe, it’s been awhile. Trump just sold 100 jets to Taiwan, and is negotiating formal diplomatic relations between Taiwan and the US. The US has been strategizing and planning for a war over Taiwan for decades. China doesn’t give a <deleted> over Taiwan, they want control of the South China Sea. I can’t belive those afflicted with even the worse symptoms of Trump Derangement Syndrome would want to be dominated by the brutal Chinese Communist Party, but then again, stranger things have happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaan sailor Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 Anyone who roots for the ChiComs should move there—to see how much they like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guitarzan Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 5 hours ago, DrTuner said: Well then they don't mind Trump's trade war at all and their economy is not slowing down one bit, now is it. The US could completely halt the flow of China’s oil supply from the Middle East by sea. China knows this is their worse vulnerability and why Taiwan is so strategically important. Taiwan declaring their independence now would be better than waiting until China builds a pipeline to the Middle East. The US for the first time became energy independent under Trump. Trump understands the importance of this to remain a superpower. If China gets dominance of its seas there is no stopping it. The trade war is a small part of Trump’s grand strategy. He is trying to drive companies out of China, create an ally in North Korea — the enemy of my enemy is my friend— as well as diplomatic relations with Taiwan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OtinPattaya Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 China's military is composed of somnambulistic World-Of-Warcraft addicts who can barely wrench themselves out of bed by noon, let alone engage in nasty urban combat. If China wants to go to war with the US, they really need to ban all the soy from their diet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTuner Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 1 minute ago, OtinPattaya said: China's military is composed of somnambulistic World-Of-Warcraft addicts who can barely wrench themselves out of bed by noon, let alone engage in nasty urban combat. If China wants to go to war with the US, they really need to ban all the sow from their diet. Well there are a lot of them. Commies use troops as cannon fodder, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrier_troops . Nasty business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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