Is the closure of your favorite bar or restaurant imminent?

[TaaSaparot]

3 hours ago, redwood1 said:

The food court on Pattaya Klang is just hanging on....Most of the food booths have packed up and left.....Only one section is now in operation...

 

 

It was a Tourist Trap, and now with no Tourists ...

[VBF]

1 hour ago, TaaSaparot said:

 

It was a Tourist Trap, and now with no Tourists ...

Of course.....but it was a great place to eat a light meal and then go to the "Mango & Sticky Rice" stall on Klang for "dessert"

I do hope that the restaurateurs are able to return some day.

[scubascuba3]

6 hours ago, redwood1 said:

The food court on Pattaya Klang is just hanging on....Most of the food booths have packed up and left.....Only one section is now in operation...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This place was empty pre covid, prices were out of whack, even staff said to me prices too high

[redwood1]

17 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

This place was empty pre covid, prices were out of whack, even staff said to me prices too high

They raised all the prices a few years ago.....Before this prices were quite ok...The big cooked fish were the main offenders of the price increase.....It was/is still ok as long as the inflationary fish are avoided.... 

Edited November 9, 2020 by redwood1

[VBF]

29 minutes ago, redwood1 said:

They raised all the prices a few years ago.....Before this prices were quite ok...The big cooked fish were the main offenders of the price increase.....It was/is still ok as long as the inflationary fish are avoided.... 

Is an inflationary fish the same as a puffer fish? 

[Leaver]

On 11/9/2020 at 6:30 PM, redwood1 said:

They raised all the prices a few years ago.....Before this prices were quite ok...The big cooked fish were the main offenders of the price increase.....It was/is still ok as long as the inflationary fish are avoided.... 

So, they raised "all" the prices a few years ago, but it's the fish's fault.  ????     

 

Could a rent increase have something to do with the prices rises, and subsequent demise of the complex? 

[redwood1]

20 minutes ago, Leaver said:

So, they raised "all" the prices a few years ago, but it's the fish's fault.  ????     

 

Could a rent increase have something to do with the prices rises, and subsequent demise of the complex? 

All prices were raised but the fish prices were really jack-up.....

 

I guess the current situation is they were not willing to lower the food stalls rent to match their lack of income so they sent them packing...Many of those food stalls had been there since forever so it must have been a huge undertaking to move all their stuff out...

I believe there is enough business for the remaining 2 or 3  food stalls.... 

[Leaver]

1 hour ago, redwood1 said:

All prices were raised but the fish prices were really jack-up.....

 

I guess the current situation is they were not willing to lower the food stalls rent to match their lack of income so they sent them packing...Many of those food stalls had been there since forever so it must have been a huge undertaking to move all their stuff out...

I believe there is enough business for the remaining 2 or 3  food stalls.... 

It's not just in covid time this happens.  

 

An owner could be running a successful business here, with competitive pricing.  The Thai landlord increases the rent, and not by an amount that reflects inflation, or the higher value of the location, but just because he can. 

 

Maybe a business owner can absorb some of the increase, but ultimately, it's passed onto the consumer, and that's expats, and tourists.  So now it's 70 or 80 baht a beer, but no improvement to the building, infrastructure, service, and amenities in Pattaya.  Now, this bar can't compete with the bar next door offering 60 baht beers, so it goes broke.   Eventually, the other bar suffers the same fate, but ultimately, it's tourism that declines due to unjustifiable prices in the region.  We saw how low the past high season was, pre covid.  The Thai landlords finally pushed the market beyond what it was prepared to pay.     

 

Picture the above for F & B, accommodation, mafia controlled land transport, and tourists activities, and add in Thai Business 101 - "money go down, put price up" and you can see why Pattaya landlords are outpricing Pattaya in the South East Asia tourism market.   

[scubascuba3]

7 hours ago, Leaver said:

Thai Business 101 - "money go down, put price up"

That's a myth that keeps getting repeated, I'm sure some do it but I can't think of any places I go that have done that, for example massage shops with very few customers haven't hiked the prices

[BigStar]

8 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

That's a myth that keeps getting repeated, I'm sure some do it but I can't think of any places I go that have done that, for example massage shops with very few customers haven't hiked the prices

Exactly, same here. More like TVF Economics 101, perhaps just more parroting of Money Number One, read and absorbed decades ago by the brilliant founding fathers of the TVF School of Economic Theory.????‍????

 

The demonizing of all Thai landlords similarly appeals to the simple-minded unable to understand--or accept--that rents inevitably rise as land values increase. The fallback will be "shouldn't rise that much." No numbers support that of course. Such hot air is par for the course. I recall a poster complaining about the price of his haircut, "analyzing" in his shaven head the fixed costs he "knew" the barber must incur.????

 

Besides no increases, we've also seen some price-lowering and quite a few discounts around. In such an extraordinary situation as we're in, landlords often do and have lowered rents. Vendors have often cut back on expenses where they can.

 

Can be a tough situation, laying off workers, some of whom have been with the business for many years and really need their jobs; I've heard some sad stories. Would it be reasonable to raise prices on existing customers in the hope of keeping the workers employed? Sure would. I'd pay more. I tip a helluva lot more nowadays, too: higher amounts and to staff I never tipped before.

 

But even low expenses and cheap prices may well not be enough if there just are no customers to be had. That's what we see happening in many cases, I think.

 

 

[rott]

That is a real problem. 

Bars are cutting drink prices, room prices are discounted (heavily in some cases) but there are just not enough customers about. 

[pattayadude]

On 8/13/2019 at 10:23 PM, Leaver said:

Seriously guys, is there no concern for the establishments you frequent?

 

I know I have seen a few of my favorite places really struggling, to the point I would not be surprised to see their doors closed soon.

 

A few of these are well established and nice places, that did have regular, and repeat clientele.

 

Good food.  Pleasant staff.  Nice environment. Cold beer.  All the sport on.  I will miss them, if / when they close. 

viruses are born,destruct,mutate, kill more, eventually dwindle and  disappear. Bars open then close. Women come and go. We live and die

[pattayadude]

On 11/12/2020 at 10:59 PM, Leaver said:

It's not just in covid time this happens.  

 

An owner could be running a successful business here, with competitive pricing.  The Thai landlord increases the rent, and not by an amount that reflects inflation, or the higher value of the location, but just because he can. 

 

Maybe a business owner can absorb some of the increase, but ultimately, it's passed onto the consumer, and that's expats, and tourists.  So now it's 70 or 80 baht a beer, but no improvement to the building, infrastructure, service, and amenities in Pattaya.  Now, this bar can't compete with the bar next door offering 60 baht beers, so it goes broke.   Eventually, the other bar suffers the same fate, but ultimately, it's tourism that declines due to unjustifiable prices in the region.  We saw how low the past high season was, pre covid.  The Thai landlords finally pushed the market beyond what it was prepared to pay.     

 

Picture the above for F & B, accommodation, mafia controlled land transport, and tourists activities, and add in Thai Business 101 - "money go down, put price up" and you can see why Pattaya landlords are outpricing Pattaya in the South East Asia tourism market.   

human greed

[Rimmer]

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Is the closure of your favorite bar or restaurant imminent?

[rott]

Quite right, let's get back to the matter in hand. 

 

Can anyone forecast an upcoming closure. The remaining "front line" bar in the complex near Kiss Food has closed, strangely there is still one bar open deep in the guts of the place. 

Wonderful 2 and the Meeting Place surely cannot stagger on for much longer. The small beer bar complex on Soi Diana below the Kiss arcade only seems to have the Cherry bar (or is it Cherries?) doing anything, understanding landowners or deep and optimistic pockets there. 

[BigStar]

3 hours ago, rott said:

The remaining "front line" bar in the complex near Kiss Food has closed, strangely there is still one bar open deep in the guts of

I believe that one may have a longstanding following of regulars.

[jastheace]

7 hours ago, rott said:

Quite right, let's get back to the matter in hand. 

 

Can anyone forecast an upcoming closure. The remaining "front line" bar in the complex near Kiss Food has closed, strangely there is still one bar open deep in the guts of the place. 

Wonderful 2 and the Meeting Place surely cannot stagger on for much longer. The small beer bar complex on Soi Diana below the Kiss arcade only seems to have the Cherry bar (or is it Cherries?) doing anything, understanding landowners or deep and optimistic pockets there. 

the cherry bar has an online presence. as do about 10 pattaya bars, and growing. a few 'vloggers' or 'ebeggars' doing the rounds in MiT complex also. good luck to the former, it's keeping their heads above water at the moment. not keen on the latter, one vlogger in particular keen to line his own pockets.

forecast an upcoming closure? crikey.... roll the dice....

one bar owner ( in soi diamond),has stated the end of the year will be interesting. that's when the 'entertainment license' is due. it's not cheap from what i gather. 

so the forecast.... any bar not online, any bar without a dedicated hardcore customer base at present. want me to be more specific.... ? i don't want to be too negative, but ..... open air bars in complexes were tourist traps, any remainers may find the coffers empty come 1st jan 2021. 

not fair to name names atm, imo, how 'bout you @rott?  crystal ball time. 

S7 and S8 pretty much gone. beach road beyond quiet. walking street more like tip toe street. 

any left along beach road and 2nd road between klang and tai may be next....

[kingofthemountain]

2 hours ago, jastheace said:

the cherry bar has an online presence. as do about 10 pattaya bars, and growing. a few 'vloggers' or 'ebeggars' doing the rounds in MiT complex also. good luck to the former, it's keeping their heads above water at the moment. not keen on the latter, one vlogger in particular keen to line his own pockets.

forecast an upcoming closure? crikey.... roll the dice....

one bar owner ( in soi diamond),has stated the end of the year will be interesting. that's when the 'entertainment license' is due. it's not cheap from what i gather. 

so the forecast.... any bar not online, any bar without a dedicated hardcore customer base at present. want me to be more specific.... ? i don't want to be too negative, but ..... open air bars in complexes were tourist traps, any remainers may find the coffers empty come 1st jan 2021. 

not fair to name names atm, imo, how 'bout you @rott?  crystal ball time. 

S7 and S8 pretty much gone. beach road beyond quiet. walking street more like tip toe street. 

any left along beach road and 2nd road between klang and tai may be next....

You are right, a lot of them were still hanging on waiting a ''miracle''

for the upcoming high season. It's now clear for all (Except for few in total denial)

the high season is dead for at least this year and there is no any hope in sight before months.

I can't see any bar with a ''normal'' functioning base staying open in Pattaya past april\may.

Only the ones that not need customers and their money to survive (I don't dig more on this)

should be still here next summer.

As usual very few exceptions (The bars with a hardcore regular expat customers base)

Even the bars doing online wouldn't last long if their usual customers have no hope to 

comeback soon. At one point the guys are going to give up on the virtuals lady drinks 

and decide to fly to another place

Edited November 16, 2020 by kingofthemountain

[rott]

My limited regular bars seem OK for the near future. 

Not sure what the motivation is for staying open without customers. Possibly tied to a lease and lose less money by opening than closing. 

But the block on visitors seems to be flaking a bit at the edges, tourist visa now, 10 days quarantine for some. It is still possible that in time for the peak weeks there will be further easing, possibly reducing the 500k and/or quarantine time. But the time is getting very close. It is unlikely but stranger things have happened and the govt are unpredictable.........How long does it take for the STV and the CoE to go through.?

[TaaSaparot]

14 hours ago, rott said:

The remaining "front line" bar in the complex near Kiss Food has closed, strangely there is still one bar open deep in the guts of the place.  

 

Chic N' Coop ?

[BigStar]

35 minutes ago, TaaSaparot said:

 

Chic N' Coop ?

Sounds right.

[kingofthemountain]

3 hours ago, rott said:

My limited regular bars seem OK for the near future. 

Not sure what the motivation is for staying open without customers. Possibly tied to a lease and lose less money by opening than closing. 

But the block on visitors seems to be flaking a bit at the edges, tourist visa now, 10 days quarantine for some. It is still possible that in time for the peak weeks there will be further easing, possibly reducing the 500k and/or quarantine time. But the time is getting very close. It is unlikely but stranger things have happened and the govt are unpredictable.........How long does it take for the STV and the CoE to go through.?

Afaik the quarantine is still 15 days for all.

10 days was discussed but finaly rejected.

The numbers of people coming in october are ridiculous

and most of them aren't the usual customers of the Pattaya bars

(People with family in the sticks, or work\business in Bangkok)

i don't see any ''normal tourist'' in his right mind jump in all the actual hoops

with the actual cost of the whole circus for ending in a depressing city

where 60 to 80% of the venues are closed

 

 

Edited November 16, 2020 by kingofthemountain

[pattayadude]

10 hours ago, jastheace said:

the cherry bar has an online presence. as do about 10 pattaya bars, and growing. a few 'vloggers' or 'ebeggars' doing the rounds in MiT complex also. good luck to the former, it's keeping their heads above water at the moment. not keen on the latter, one vlogger in particular keen to line his own pockets.

forecast an upcoming closure? crikey.... roll the dice....

one bar owner ( in soi diamond),has stated the end of the year will be interesting. that's when the 'entertainment license' is due. it's not cheap from what i gather. 

so the forecast.... any bar not online, any bar without a dedicated hardcore customer base at present. want me to be more specific.... ? i don't want to be too negative, but ..... open air bars in complexes were tourist traps, any remainers may find the coffers empty come 1st jan 2021. 

not fair to name names atm, imo, how 'bout you @rott?  crystal ball time. 

S7 and S8 pretty much gone. beach road beyond quiet. walking street more like tip toe street. 

any left along beach road and 2nd road between klang and tai may be next....

it's over.

it will take several years for the entertainment industry to recover as the western world has economically suffered a lot during this pandemic and its further effects yet to be seen next a few years.. On the other hand the "online bar" concept will not survive either as these "bar customers" will soon realize they are just  buying drinks to a 13" flat screen and there is no human interaction whatsoever.

[pattayadude]

3 minutes ago, pattayadude said:

it's over.

it will take several years for the entertainment industry to recover as the western world has economically suffered a lot during this pandemic and its further effects yet to be seen next a few years.. On the other hand the "online bar" concept will not survive either as these "bar customers" will soon realize they are just  buying drinks to a 13" flat screen and there is no human interaction whatsoever.

 

8 hours ago, kingofthemountain said:

At one point the guys are going to give up on the virtuals lady drinks 

and decide to fly to another place

they probably won't need to travel anywhere. the unemployment and desperation will create local prostitution in most of the countries they are in. The history of mankind has hundreds of examples of this sort

[chrisandsu]

A lot of western countries are going back into lockdown for the winter so I highly doubt a holiday to Pattaya will be on the cards . 

[rott]

7 hours ago, kingofthemountain said:

Afaik the quarantine is still 15 days for all.

10 days was discussed but finaly rejected.

The numbers of people coming in october are ridiculous

and most of them aren't the usual customers of the Pattaya bars

(People with family in the sticks, or work\business in Bangkok)

i don't see any ''normal tourist'' in his right mind jump in all the actual hoops

with the actual cost of the whole circus for ending in a depressing city

where 60 to 80% of the venues are closed

 

 

I did read somewhere that low risk countries were having quarantine reduced to 10 days. Might be happening, might not. 

[kingofthemountain]

2 hours ago, rott said:

I did read somewhere that low risk countries were having quarantine reduced to 10 days. Might be happening, might not. 

it's proposed on a regular basis but still refused in fine

 

https://thepattayanews.com/2020/11/14/proposal-to-lower-quarantine-to-ten-days-for-very-low-risk-countries-returns-says-public-health-minister/

 

https://thepattayanews.com/2020/11/17/thai-center-for-covid-19-situation-administration-to-debate-lesser-quarantine-time-for-low-risk-countries-tomorrow-as-prominent-thai-doctors-warn-against-the-move/

[Golden Triangle]

12 hours ago, kingofthemountain said:

Afaik the quarantine is still 15 days for all.

10 days was discussed but finaly rejected.

 

My gut feeling is that the Thai Hoteliers Association had something to do with keeping it at 15 days, do you really think that after an extended period of little or no business that the selected hotels would want to forego multiples of 5 days of occupancy ?? I think not.

 

Back on topic: I have seen the empty bars and restaurants in the aforementioned sois, and the boarded and shuttered places & it is very very sad however, I drink at a small mom n pop shop close to where I live, no driving involved, with a few friends & the prices are great, a large Archa 55 Baht, I'm not complaining.

Edited November 17, 2020 by Golden Triangle
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[Rimmer]

Is the closure of your favorite bar or restaurant imminent?

[redwood1]

Guys this is a good thread......Long threads like this one get cut a LOT of slack on going OFF TOPIC.....But there are limits........Please try to stay on topic......Or you know what will happen......

Edited November 17, 2020 by redwood1