Israel bars U.S. Democratic lawmakers under pressure from Trump

[thaiguzzi]

32 minutes ago, PingRoundTheWorld said:

I am Israeli-American and couldn't be happier with this decision.

Quelle surprise?

Who'da thunk it?

 

32 minutes ago, PingRoundTheWorld said:

Wow. Delusional. It was European Jews who pushed for reviving their old country. Had nothing to do with the US and was long before the US had any interest in the region (or much of anywhere - the US has been isolationist until WW2!!).

 

Stop speaking as if you know what Israelis think or feel. I am Israeli-American and couldn't be happier with this decision. If they let them in the country the majority of Israelis would be upset.

[DannyCarlton]

19 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

There you go. It's them Jews controlling the media. Thanks for making my point.

Now for reality - the NYT often publishes views critical of Israel and it's government. And not all Jews automatically subscribe to either Zionism or support of the Israeli government.

Not the media, the NYT. Agree with your final sentence. Shame it doesn't apply to posters on this thread.

[Mavideol]

6 hours ago, webfact said:

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Thursday barred U.S. Democratic congresswomen Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar from making a planned trip to Israel, shortly after U.S. President Donald Trump called on his ally not to let them in.

another Trump's puppet....he may be for a big surprise in 2020 and may have to rethink his alliances

[Mavideol]

6 hours ago, Tug said:

Donald is clueles he again demonstrates his unfitness to be potus 

but he did said that he was Absolutely Not a racist but an open minded democratic president.... democracy is about letting people be what they want to be and accept criticism, he's clueless about freedom of speech & opinion

[simple1]

56 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

You seem to have missed the part where the visit was on just up until Trump applied pressure. It was considered a less problematic option to let them get on with their act, then to serve them with this media attention bonanza. Doubt there's much grounds for Trump supporters to be going on about racism much.

trump's interference comes across to me as his usual red meat for his base antics

[TPI]

5 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

That's great news!

Israel does not even pretend anymore to care and act like a civilized country.

Hopefully this decision will wake up some people who until now think that Israel should never be criticized.

It's time that more and more people demand that Israel should be boycotted for their constant crimes against the Palestinians. 

It's long overdue that the Palestinians get their own country!

Mate, the Palestinians are a made up people, created for political points, none the less Israel needs to have their bum kicked for the way they have treated the original inhabitants!

[transam]

1 minute ago, TPI said:

Mate, the Palestinians are a made up people, created for political points, none the less Israel needs to have their bum kicked for the way they have treated the original inhabitants!

That brings the now USA to mind...

[Mavideol]

4 minutes ago, TPI said:

Mate, the Palestinians are a made up people, created for political points, none the less Israel needs to have their bum kicked for the way they have treated the original inhabitants!

who were the first inhabitants of that land ?

[DannyCarlton]

1 minute ago, Mavideol said:

who were the first inhabitants of that land ?

Early homo sapiens who settled there during the great "out of Africa" exodus. Long before Abraham & co.

[bristolboy]

4 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

who were the first inhabitants of that land ?

Canaanites?

[Mavideol]

2 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

Early homo sapiens who settled there during the great "out of Africa" exodus. Long before Abraham & co.

According to God in the Bible, Ishmael(Arabs) came before Isaac(Jews) and were the MAJORITY up to 1948(up to the British Mandate of 1922-NOTE: the Arab armies(NO Jewish participation) threw off the Ottoman occupation at which time ,the UN assigned the Bristish occupation of Palestine- Jews were less than 5 % of the population then, at this time, swelled to 35 % of the population with immigration of FOREIGN JEWS with little or no ties to the Middle East then Jews STOLE land from, and, killed Arabs to form Israel.Two murderous Jewish terrorist groups, the Stern Gang and the Irgun(Now Likud)-actually labeled as such by the British spear- headed this blood and land grab lus on their Arab hostst-not even approved by the UN.

*According to Alexander Scholch, GERMAN JEW AND PROFESSIONAL HISTORIAN, the population of Palestine in 1850 had about 350,000 inhabitants, 30% of whom lived in 13 towns; roughly 85% were Muslims(Arabs), 11% were Christians and 4% Jews.Scholch, 1985, p. 503.

Palestinian Demographics Link up to 1948
http://www.mideastweb.org/palpop.htm
 

[Sujo]

49 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

These two congresswoman's views are neither mainstream nor well-received even their own country. That you pretend to expect Israelis to embrace their views is disingenuous, at best.

 

Please show where I said any such thing. 

 

I never said they had to like it or agree with what they say.

[PingRoundTheWorld]

4 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

Early homo sapiens who settled there during the great "out of Africa" exodus. Long before Abraham & co.

Agree with you there. But all we can reference is written history, or in other words the bible and clear other indications from archeological sites etc that show Jews have been living there for thousands of years in past times. If you're taking the "they were there first" approach than Jews win by a landslide.

[Sujo]

42 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

How so? Is it a reasonable expectation for people to accept preaching from foreigners with controversial, inflammatory views? The poster was pretending not to understand why their views and their visit would be unpopular with Israelis. Thanks for doing your little troll bit, though.

I never said they had to agree with them. Stop misquoting me.

 

You have no idea what they were going to do or say there. To simply deny entry of an ally's congresswomen because they font like what they have said lacks open democratic principles.

 

I think more than a few countries should ban trump for the same reason re these two.

[Morty T]

5 hours ago, JamJar said:

 

You don't have even an inkling of what I know. Your posts are either meant to be deliberately misleading, since they are full of misinformation and propaganda....or you are just truly ignorant of the truth. Preferring only to believe what absolves them of evil.

Of course your terrorists were 'freedom fighters'. Whereas anyone else's freedom fighters are 'terrorists'.

 

So please, post your partisan nonsense elsewhere. 

Then simply answer the question. US President Cinton offered then PLO Chairman Arafat, EVERYTHING the PLO was demanding. Result; Arafat turned it down. The PLO isn't interested in a peace plan either of their own making or arranged by others. The total annihilation of the Jewish state is their only objective. 

[DannyCarlton]

1 minute ago, PingRoundTheWorld said:

Agree with you there. But all we can reference is written history, or in other words the bible and clear other indications from archeological sites etc that show Jews have been living there for thousands of years in past times. If you're taking the "they were there first" approach than Jews win by a landslide.

The Bible and the Torah aren't historical documents, they're primarily works of fiction based on loose historical facts. A good example is that the Bible teaches us that Eve was the first woman and gives an approximate location of the Garden of Eden, whereas genetics has taught us that the first woman lived somewhwere in Southern Africa and was probably African in appearance.

 

Who was in Palestine first, Arabs or Jews? Genetics has told us that they arrived at the same time as they are actually one race, genetically identical.

[Mavideol]

13 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Canaanites?

that appears to be one of their claims but history also claims the canaanites tribes were all decimated 3,000+ years ago and they couldn't find any remnants

[Jingthing]

The Bible and the Torah aren't historical documents, they're primarily works of fiction based on loose historical facts. A good example is that the Bible teaches us that Eve was the first woman and gives an approximate location of the Garden of Eden, whereas genetics has taught us that the first woman lived somewhwere in Southern Africa and was probably African in appearance.   Who was in Palestine first, Arabs or Jews? Genetics has told us that they arrived at the same time as they are actually one race, genetically identical.

 

 

Genetics are not destiny.That's a fascistic concept.But it can be interesting anyway.

Palestinian Arabs and Jews have genetic similarities. So do Italians.

But so what?

The political movement of Zionism didn't originate based on genetics.

It came from the ideology that the Jewish people after experiencing thousands of years of oppression in the diaspora needed a homeland state for political self determination. Emphasis on needed. This ideology developed long before the Nazis.

The modern state of Israel with all its wonderfulness and all its faults is that place of Jewish political self determination. That and Boca Raton of course.

 

 

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[DannyCarlton]

5 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Palestinian Arabs and Jews have genetic similarities

Not similarities. Identical. Italians, not so much.

[Jingthing]

Not similarities. Identical. Italians, not so much.

Incorrect.

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[DannyCarlton]

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Incorrect.

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[abrahamzvi]

7 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Great decision. These 2 women need to learn there are consequences for their actions. Their hate-mongering has gone way too far.

This disgraceful decision has just shown what Israel under Netanyahu has become, a "democratic" fascist semi dictatorship, just like what Trump is trying to turn the US into. Unfortunately Israel has no constitution, and PM Netanyahu and his ilk are practically dismantling any democratic government agencies. I sincerely hope that the Israelis will realize that eventually they will be subject to such repressive treatment, as the Palestinians in the occupied territories, unless they use the upcoming elections, which may be the last free ones, to get rid of Netanyahu and his ilks.

[abrahamzvi]

1 hour ago, Mavideol said:

but he did said that he was Absolutely Not a racist but an open minded democratic president.... democracy is about letting people be what they want to be and accept criticism, he's clueless about freedom of speech & opinion

And so is his puppet friend Netanyahu.

[DannyCarlton]

1 minute ago, abrahamzvi said:

And so is his puppet friend Netanyahu.

but both have increased their personal wealth substantially since coming to power.

 

It's all about the money.

[jany123]

5 hours ago, Jingthing said:

What "trump" clearly pushed, what Bibi clearly did in response to his pushing is really bad for the future of Israel. Unfortunately, Israel policy was already shifting into another partisan issue when historically it hasn't been so, but this makes it worse. Those congresswomen are elected U.S.A. officials. Israel in doing this even in response to an unhinged demagogue president as he is, is an EXTREME DISS to ALL AMERICANS. Bibi should have pushed back. Better to push back against this current occupant of the white house than to all Americans. While I am no fan of these congresswomen's views on Israel policy, what happened here makes me want to vomit. Israel demonizers if they haven't realized it already should be ecstatic that they were banned from Israel. 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/08/15/did-trump-israel-get-played-by-omar-tlaib-some-conservatives-think-so/

My thoughts exactly... followed by wondering how long it will be before congress start blocking everything pertaining to Israel.... followed by ????????????

 

 

[abrahamzvi]

6 hours ago, ezzra said:

I'm always happy to provide those what is a common knowledge to those the uniformed ones...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/may/23/israel3

The Guardian article you quote doesn't reflect facts. It's an interview with an Israeli exPM and tells his version. Ask some Israeli "left wing" politicians, academics and authors, who have a different version.

[chokrai]

57 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Are people still using that hackneyed phrase...

 

Just because it doesn’t follow a certain narrative doesn’t make it fake. 

First it was Russia then it was racism then it was Nationalist then it was White Nationalist and now it is White supremacist. Same old bullcrap. We dont believe any of their crap anymore. 

[jany123]

1 hour ago, Morty T said:

Then simply answer the question. US President Cinton offered then PLO Chairman Arafat, EVERYTHING the PLO was demanding. Result; Arafat turned it down. The PLO isn't interested in a peace plan either of their own making or arranged by others. The total annihilation of the Jewish state is their only objective. 

What is the question?

 

Your post appears to be a misleading statement, followed by a conclusion based on the misleading statement, vs a question, which makes it all opinion based on propaganda.

[jany123]

1 hour ago, Morty T said:

Then simply answer the question. US President Cinton offered then PLO Chairman Arafat, EVERYTHING the PLO was demanding. Result; Arafat turned it down. The PLO isn't interested in a peace plan either of their own making or arranged by others. The total annihilation of the Jewish state is their only objective. 

https://www.nytimes.com/2001/07/08/opinion/fictions-about-the-failure-at-camp-david.html

 

a less biased version of what happened.

[RJRS1301]

5 hours ago, ezzra said:

Funny you mention democracy, try to look for democracy in the arab world or other islamic nations, those two women were planning a provocative and hate fanning trip to israel backed by the BDS, nothing good could come up from such visit...

Sorry this is about Israel, nice try to deflect, but like much of your logic, flawed