Recall UK parliament to tackle Brexit crisis, opposition Labour Party says

[Rookiescot]

Should have been the other way around.

They should have been told they cant GO on holiday until this fiasco is resolved.

[Chomper Higgot]

32 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

I think we are talking the same thing ????

 

Parliamentary sovereignty is a principle of the UK constitution. It makes Parliament the supreme legal authority in the UK which can create or end any law.

Agreed, including any law regarding leaving the EU.

[Jip99]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Agreed, including any law regarding leaving the EU.

 

 

Agreed.

 

 

Which they have already signed off on.

 

 

Even the EU know that the fallback position is leave on 31 October without a deal.............................. they don't seem too concerned about that........................................ or are they ? ????

[Jip99]

28 minutes ago, Victornoir said:

You cling to this idea like a louse on the head of a tramp.
The choices of the voters are not fixed. They evolve with time, new information and situations. You can not refuse it.

 

Rubbish................... you are one of those anti-democratic idiots that just want to keep voting until they get the result that suits them.

 

 

Democracy does not, and never has, worked like that.

[Chomper Higgot]

16 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

 

Rubbish................... you are one of those anti-democratic idiots that just want to keep voting until they get the result that suits them.

 

 

Democracy does not, and never has, worked like that.

I’m not sure how a result is achieved without the majority voting for it and if the majority did vote for it how that is not democracy.

 

Nor am I sure how a democracy can lay claim to being a democracy if it does not provide the electorate with a means by voting to change its mind in the light of more information and/out changing circumstances.

 

Please do explain.

[David in the north]

The current labour party are a complete & total waste of space

[Jip99]

10 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I’m not sure how a result is achieved without the majority voting for it and if the majority did vote for it how that is not democracy.

 

Nor am au sure how a democracy can lay claim to being a democracy if it does not provide the electorate with a means by voting to change its mind in the light of more information and/out changing circumstances.

 

Please do explain.

 

 

Nothing to explain.

 

Trying to overturn democracy, especially for self interest, is undemocratic.

[newatthis]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I’m not sure how a result is achieved without the majority voting for it and if the majority did vote for it how that is not democracy.

 

Nor am au sure how a democracy can lay claim to being a democracy if it does not provide the electorate with a means by voting to change its mind in the light of more information and/out changing circumstances.

 

Please do explain.

If I vote for the Communist Party and they win, then it's too late to change my mind.  They're entitled to run their full term even if their policies send the country down the chute. Too bad if I've changed my mind.

In this instance, Chomper, you're not even allowing Brexit even though the Leavers won and the Prime Minister promised the people that their vote would be acted on.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

Nothing to explain.

 

Trying to overturn democracy, especially for self interest, is undemocratic.

Over turning a decision by voting.

 

How is that not democracy?

 

Oh... I see, you think democracy is ‘winner takes all’.

[JonnyF]

1 minute ago, newatthis said:

If I vote for the Communist Party and they win, then it's too late to change my mind.  They're entitled to run their full term even if their policies send the country down the chute. Too bad if I've changed my mind.

In this instance, Chomper, you're not even allowing Brexit even though the Leavers won and the Prime Minister promised the people that their vote would be acted on.

You need to understand Remainer Democracy.

 

You lose the vote, you vote again because Democracy doesn't happen on one day, it's a moving process etc.

You win the vote, the process ends. No more votes. We remain in the EU. 

 

They're just waiting to win one so they can call an end to this pesky process.

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, newatthis said:

If I vote for the Communist Party and they win, then it's too late to change my mind.  They're entitled to run their full term even if their policies send the country down the chute. Too bad if I've changed my mind.

In this instance, Chomper, you're not even allowing Brexit even though the Leavers won and the Prime Minister promised the people that their vote would be acted on.

You are confusing an election of a government, with a non binding advisory referendum.

 

I’m no ‘not allowing anything’.

 

People have a right to change their minds, clearly you fear they have.

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

You need to understand Remainer Democracy.

 

You lose the vote, you vote again because Democracy doesn't happen on one day, it's a moving process etc.

You win the vote, the process ends. No more votes. We remain in the EU. 

 

They're just waiting to win one so they can call an end to this pesky process.

Perfectly illustrated by Farage’s declaration that ‘in the event of a 48:52 it would not be game over, not by a long way’.

 

A 52:48 result comes in and he and Brexiteers now shout ‘Game Over’.

 

Away with your nonsense pinning  Brexiteer behaviour on Remain supporters.

[Baerboxer]

15 hours ago, baboon said:

Damn right they should be recalled. How the hell they seemed to think that swanning off on holiday with this crisis going on was fine, is absolutely bloody mind-boggling.

 

Perhaps because they're arrogant, narcissistic, self entitled, thick skinned, toss-pots who believe that they can do as they please safe in the knowledge that whatever happens they personally and their families and cronies will be alright and prosper!

 

 

[Jip99]

22 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Over turning a decision by voting.

 

How is that not democracy?

 

Oh... I see, you think democracy is ‘winner takes all’.

 

 

I have said before, if the Grand National winner wins by a head - he wins.

 

 

They don't have a replay, or try and change the rules, just because the second horse lost.

 

 

What is happening now with the remainers (and Corbyn) is not democracy it is about self-interest and trying to overturn a decision that they don't like.  That is gutter politics, not democracy. Gut Fawkes was closer to democracy than that lot.

[vogie]

13 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You are confusing an election of a government, with a non binding advisory referendum.

 

I’m no ‘not allowing anything’.

 

People have a right to change their minds, clearly you fear they have.

 

 

I think it is you that seems to be confused, you cannot keep voting ad infinitum untill you get the vote that suits you, it would make, and indeed is making the whole point of voting a complete farce, you would turn a democratic country into a dictatorship by your described reasoning.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

I have said before, if the Grand National winner wins by a head - he wins.

 

 

They don't have a replay, or try and change the rules, just because the second horse lost.

That’s a horse race, not a nation.

 

Brexiteer ‘democracy’ winner takes all, even if the race is mired with fraud.

[Bluespunk]

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

That’s a horse race, not a nation.

 

Brexiteer ‘democracy’ winner takes all, even if the race is mired with fraud.

Besides which, the grand national is rerun every year. 

[Baerboxer]

2 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

I have said before, if the Grand National winner wins by a head - he wins.

 

 

They don't have a replay, or try and change the rules, just because the second horse lost.

 

 

What is happening now with the remainers (and Corbyn) is not democracy it is about self-interest and trying to overturn a decision that they don't like.  That is gutter politics, not democracy. Gut Fawkes was closer to democracy than that lot.

 

And if new information came to light in a sporting event, the decisions on who won may be overturned.

 

To suggest any democratic decision can only be a one off, never challenged or changed, as new information comes to light which may make people change their minds smacks of desperation. Like the weasel Farage said, a close vote 48/52 is unfinished business.

 

Guy Fawkes was a paid mercenary employed by catholic terrorists wanting to overthrow democracy and enforce the doctrine of their choice on people. I can see why you think he might be representative of Farage democracy.

[Jip99]

4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

That’s a horse race, not a nation.

 

Brexiteer ‘democracy’ winner takes all, even if the race is mired with fraud.

 

 

Ah, playing the fraud card......... that is pure desperation...  ????????????

 

 

Try repeating it in a court of law............................. Oh, I think they tried that one.

 

 

We are going round in circles  (thank goodness Boris is going in a straight line) and as much as I enjoy chatting with you, the grass will not cut itself.

 

 

Just remember, Cameron said he would honour the referendum result - it is about time other remainers did the same.

[newatthis]

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You are confusing an election of a government, with a non binding advisory referendum.

 

I’m no ‘not allowing anything’.

 

People have a right to change their minds, clearly you fear they have.

 

 

It doesn't worry me Chomper how people vote. It won't make one bit of difference to my life.

And I'm not confusing anything.

When the UK went to the referendum in 2016, they knew that their vote counted. David Cameron promised the British people that their would be a simple IN / OUT vote and that the Government would honour and abide by the wishes of the electorate. 

Cameron, himself, even campaigned against leaving and everybody said that the Remainers would win.

But they didn't!!

And they can't hack losing, can they? That's all it amounts too. It's like going to the casino with a sure fire system of winning and losing all your money.

Now, the losers are throwing the "binding / non-binding" thing around to try and escape from the wishes of the voters.

Yet, if the Remainers had won, they would had said "This is binding." As sure as God made little green apples.

[newatthis]

4 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Besides which, the grand national is rerun every year. 

But they don't rob the prize from last year's winner.

[Jip99]

4 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

And if new information came to light in a sporting event, the decisions on who won may be overturned.

 

To suggest any democratic decision can only be a one off, never challenged or changed, as new information comes to light which may make people change their minds smacks of desperation. Like the weasel Farage said, a close vote 48/52 is unfinished business.

 

Guy Fawkes was a paid mercenary employed by catholic terrorists wanting to overthrow democracy and enforce the doctrine of their choice on people. I can see why you think he might be representative of Farage democracy.

 

 

 

The stewards have taken a long hard look at this one already  -  and the result stands.

 

 

I am not sure if you understand just how pathetic it looks whenyou weasel around trying to find a technicality, a flaw - just because 52% of the electorate voted against your wishes.

[vogie]

4 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Besides which, the grand national is rerun every year. 

So what's your point, the EU referendum can be run every 45 years, sorted.

[Bluespunk]

7 minutes ago, vogie said:

So what's your point, the EU referendum can be run every 45 years, sorted.

Nope just pointing out a completely irrelevant analogy. 

[Bluespunk]

8 minutes ago, newatthis said:

But they don't rob the prize from last year's winner.

Never said they did.

 

Though as I say, just pointing out the irrelevance of the analogy. 

[bannork]

13 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

 

The stewards have taken a long hard look at this one already  -  and the result stands.

 

 

I am not sure if you understand just how pathetic it looks whenyou weasel around trying to find a technicality, a flaw - just because 52% of the electorate voted against your wishes.

Get it right. It was only 37% of the electorate who voted for Brexit.

[vogie]

1 minute ago, bannork said:

Get it right. It was only 37% of the electorate who voted for Brexit.

Do you have to keep bringing this pointless figure up, but it is still more than 34% of voters that voted to remain. What is the point of you repeticiously bringing this up, it is nonsense and meaningless.

[Jip99]

10 minutes ago, bannork said:

Get it right. It was only 37% of the electorate who voted for Brexit.

 

Still more than those who voted to remain..... and get it right..... 52% of those who voted  -  in the biggest turnout for years.

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

24 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

Ah, playing the fraud card......... that is pure desperation...  ????????????

 

 

Try repeating it in a court of law............................. Oh, I think they tried that one.

 

 

We are going round in circles  (thank goodness Boris is going in a straight line) and as much as I enjoy chatting with you, the grass will not cut itself.

 

 

Just remember, Cameron said he would honour the referendum result - it is about time other remainers did the same.

Electoral fraud committed by the Leave campaign is a matter of public record.

 

It’s not a card, it’s a fact.

[Mavideol]

13 hours ago, bristolboy said:

leaving open the option of supporting an alternative caretaker prime minister,

I am all for an alternative caretaker PM, it should be a No Tory & No Labour member, wish for an open mind neutral third party person, Trump would be perfect