TM30 and 90 day reporting, some help to understand please

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I don't do the TM30 or 30 day reporting because I have PR, however a couple of older friends are sharing that they are confused about the TM30 and the 90 day reporting requirements. Both have condos in Pattaya. They are both on 'retirement' visas (for many years) and for both guys their visas are many months away from renewal date, and both have current multiple exit/re-entry stamps.

 

The questions seem to be:

 

1. If you own your own condo and live in it are you required to do TM 30 reporting and 90 day reporting?

 

2. What's the relevance (TM30 and 90 Day reporting) of having a Tabien Baan book for the condo with their own name in the book?

 

3. If you own a condo are your required by law to have a Tabien Baan book for your condo?

 

4. Can you do TM30 and 90 days reporting on line now? Where / how do you get started?

 

5. How about the case where the farang owns a condo in Pattaya and in Bkk and travels regularly between locations for a few weeks / a couple of months at a time? Neither condo is rented out when the farang is in the other location.

 

6. What's the requirement for TM30 when another farang (visiting from abroad) stays for a few days - a couple of weeks?

 

Anything more you can add would be appreciated.

 

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

In general, the TM30 requirement is one that obliges owners of Thai property to report the presence of foreigners staying there within 24 hours of their arrival. So in general, that requirement would apply regardless of whether the property owner is Thai or farang.

 

But a lot of the details of the TM30 enforcement tend to vary by Imm Office, and I'm not in Pattaya, so I can't speak to what their practice is there. One of the areas of much variation seems to be whether any particular Immigration Office is enforcing the TM30s on any travel away from home, or only for international travel.

 

On some of the broader questions you raise:

 

--90 day reporting can be done in person at your local Immigration office, via a Thai Immigration website (provided the person has entered Thailand most recently sometime in recent years), by postal mail to the local Immigration Office, and now lately via an Android app.

 

--Regarding TM30 reporting, I believe the same general options exist. But there's a different website address for TM30 reporting and it requires a somewhat complicated registration process. There's also a separate Android app for TM30 reporting. And both in person and mail-ins are accepted.

 

Re tabien bans, Immigration seems to want the owner's tabien ban to be submitted for TM30s, whether it's the owner reporting himself or the owner reporting tenants/visitors.  For 90-day reports, tabien bans are not required at all for any method.

 

Re your last question, for a farang condo owner in Pattaya, I believe local Immigration there would expect them to report foreigner visitors staying in their property for longer than 24 hours via the TM30 process.

 

[Puchaiyank]

I have come to believe the TM30 was designed to cause mass confusion and angst among Thailand's guests...a way of saying: " Don't stay too long"...have a nice trip home...

[exppenang]

No one can help you "understand". There is no understanding the TM30.

The stated purpose of the TM30, combined with the corruption and ineptitude of Thai Immigration, make the whole fiasco non-understandable. Even Immigration can't properly explain all the details.

What you need to understand is they want fine money.

I feel for those who have become so entrenched here, that they are compelled to pay, pay, pay, and report, report, report to live in an over-priced, polluted, dangerous police state.

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21 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

In general, the TM30 requirement is one that obliges owners of Thai property to report the presence of foreigners staying there within 24 hours of their arrival. So in general, that requirement would apply regardless of whether the property owner is Thai or farang.

 

But a lot of the details of the TM30 enforcement tend to vary by Imm Office, and I'm not in Pattaya, so I can't speak to what their practice is there. One of the areas of much variation seems to be whether any particular Immigration Office is enforcing the TM30s on any travel away from home, or only for international travel.

 

On some of the broader questions you raise:

 

--90 day reporting can be done in person at your local Immigration office, via a Thai Immigration website (provided the person has entered Thailand most recently sometime in recent years), by postal mail to the local Immigration Office, and now lately via an Android app.

 

--Regarding TM30 reporting, I believe the same general options exist. But there's a different website address for TM30 reporting and it requires a somewhat complicated registration process. There's also a separate Android app for TM30 reporting. And both in person and mail-ins are accepted.

 

Re tabien bans, Immigration seems to want the owner's tabien ban to be submitted for TM30s, whether it's the owner reporting himself or the owner reporting tenants/visitors.  For 90-day reports, tabien bans are not required at all for any method.

 

Re your last question, for a farang condo owner in Pattaya, I believe local Immigration there would expect them to report foreigner visitors staying in their property for longer than 24 hours via the TM30 process.

 

THanks to all posters for your posts.

 

Just one more, the cas where the farang owns a condo in both Pattaya and in Bkk.

 

As best I can gather:

 

- The farang has a tabien baan book (not sure of colour) for the Pattaya condo which was bought in his name (only) about 8 years back.

 

- For the Bkk condo he has no tabien baan book, the condo was bought some 20+ years ago in his name only and he says tabien baan book was never mentioned.

 

So how does TM30 work in this scenario?

 

All aligned advice much appreciated, but not really interested in negative stuff about they don't want us here etc., thanks.

 

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

15 minutes ago, scorecard said:

For the Bkk condo he has no tabien baan book, the condo was bought some 20+ years ago in his name only and he says tabien baan book was never mentioned.

 

 

So, you're basically asking how the guy can file a TM30 for his stays at the BKK condo that he owns, when he doesn't have a tabien baan book that he can submit copies of to Immigration? And of course, no rental agreement either, since he's the owner.

 

 

[Destiny1990]

Any progress with the petition to scrap the TM30? 

[4MyEgo]

22 hours ago, scorecard said:

5. How about the case where the farang owns a condo in Pattaya and in Bkk and travels regularly between locations for a few weeks / a couple of months at a time? Neither condo is rented out when the farang is in the other location.

TallGuyJohninBKK seems to have nailed all of your questions, however regarding the above, from my understanding of the TM30, all farangs upon return to their province must do a TM30 within 24 hours.

 

The above said, I wouldn't personally be bothered, I mean, if he owns both properties and travels in between for stays, who is to know, however if he just owned say one condo in BKK for arguments sake and travelled to Pattaya or vica versa, he would be required to do a TM30 upon his return to his province within 24 hours.

 

Once he registers online and gets a password, which can take weeks, if not months, he can do it online whenever he pleases, bypassing all the immigration officers and que's.

 

As for Puchaiyank's comment, "

I have come to believe the TM30 was designed to cause mass confusion and angst among Thailand's guests...a way of saying: " Don't stay too long"...have a nice trip home..."

 

What you replied + 1 ????

 

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3 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

So, you're basically asking how the guy can file a TM30 for his stays at the BKK condo that he owns, when he doesn't have a tabien baan book that he can submit copies of to Immigration? And of course, no rental agreement either, since he's the owner.

 

 

Yes.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

9 minutes ago, scorecard said:

Yes.

 

That's a good question. That's what I thought you were asking, in a bit more succinct way. Unfortunately, I don't have a good answer for that one... Hopefully someone else will chime in.

 

Perhaps a related question to that would be, if someone owns property in Thailand but doesn't have a tabien bahn for some reason, is it possible to go about obtaining one from the local amphur/khet office, and if so, how?   It kinda seems like something a property owner here would want to have.

 

But then, there's also a related question of just what kind of house book foreign condo owners actually receive here, since they're not owning land, just a portion of a structure...

 

I saw this answer on that subject elsewhere in the forum...

 

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Foreign Condo owners are issued a Blue House book, but cannot be named in it.

If you want to be registered and named in a House book, foreigners must obtain the Yellow House book.

Only the Title Deeds prove ownership, not the House books.

 

 

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

A bit more on this issue... I asked my wife, who used to work in an amphur office for a time, and her comments basically matched with the excerpt I quoted above from Tanoshi...

 

In other words, blue books are typically issued to Thai property owners, and yellow books are typically issued to farang property owners, including condo owners. If a farang condo owner doesn't have a yellow book, they can request their juristic office/condo management office to put in a request for one with the local amphur/khet office on behalf of the owner, provided they've lived there for at least some period of time.

 

At least, that's my wife's version of things!

 

 

[crazykopite]

Problem is every IO throughout the Kingdom seems to have their own version. What I cannot get my head around is if I fly out of the country on my return I have to fill in a TM6 which asks me for the address where I will be staying this form is handed into the airport IO who records it I would assume on the computer system so why would I then have to report to my local IO with a completed TM 30 within 24 hours . Please don’t suggest doing it online Koh Samui for whatever reason does not offer an online reporting method even though many IOs around the Kingdom have had this method in operation for a number of years we still have to physically go and do the 90 day report. I also have a yellow house book and pink ID card .

[crazykopite]

20 hours ago, Destiny1990 said:

Any progress with the petition to scrap the TM30? 

There is a big article in today’s U.K. tabloid the Daily Mail regarding all the confusion around the TM30 it’s quiet an in depth article with a Chinese woman claiming that the IO at her local immigration threatened to send the police around everyday to check she is there she claims to have been fined a number of times due to her Landlord not completing the TM 30