going to Bangkok for the day ?

[mercman24]

hi all, i am going to bangkok for a birthday this Sunday, (31 August) will stay in a hotel for one night, the hotel will do the necessary as stayed there many times, my question is, will have to inform the <deleted> i am back in my condo the next day, or just plead ignorance if they come knocking. always wanted to have my photo taken surrounded by 10 immigration officers,

[Tanoshi]

That depends if your Local IO are enforcing a new TM30 after returning from out of Province for 24 hours.

 

3 weeks ago my IO stated 'not required'.

2 weeks ago they stated 'yes, required'.

I didn't ask last week.

 

Your as well informed now as I, or anyone else is. ????

Edited August 29, 2019 by Tanoshi

[timendres]

That would be an expensive photo, but I share your enthusiasm.

You may need to report yourself for failure to file the TM30.

[Longcut]

16 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

That depends if your Local IO are enforcing a new TM30 after returning from out of Province for 24 hours.

 

3 weeks ago my IO stated 'not required'.

2 weeks ago they stated 'yes, required'.

I didn't ask last week.

 

Your as well informed now as I, or anyone else is. ????

Just claim that you were gone for 23 hours and 59 minutes. 

[Tanoshi]

7 minutes ago, Longcut said:

Just claim that you were gone for 23 hours and 59 minutes. 

The problem is a hotel will file a new TM30 notifying he's in Bangkok.

The question is, does his local IO require a new TM30 when returning.

 

Under the current climate, I'd suggest he's safer to refile when arriving home.

[Longcut]

Depart Roi et (ROI) by air @ 1100.

Arrive Don Muang  (DMK) @ 1155.

Check into hotel @ 1300

Hotel does TM-30

Depart Hotel next Day @ 0630

Depart Don Muang (DMK) @0830

Arrive Roi et (ROI) @0925

 

Am I required to fill out TM-30? Only been gone 22 ½ hours.  Will I need to keep my travel Itinerary to show to Immigration my next trip there? Just a point to show how ridiculous this is.

[Jane Dough]

Stay in a "man root" (short time curtain hotel) where no ID is required. Return home and no one will be any the wiser. 

 

You might even save money.....just don't tell the wife where you rested your head. 

 

Rooster

[jackdd]

There is no 24 hour rule.

The law says when the foreigner "เข้าพักอาศัย" he needs to be reported.

So the question is what is the definition of "เข้าพักอาศัย" in this law.

There is no 100% clear interpration of it, imho the usual one is: Entering a place with the intention to stay there overnight

 

Of course we could now contstruct several scenarios where this interpretation would fail and in the end it would be up to the IO.

From what we have seen in the past, i would say: If another place filed a TM30 for you, you have to file a TM30 when you are back, whatever the circumstances were. Because what they want is, that the last entry for you in their TM30 database shows the address where you currently are.

[mfd101]

18 minutes ago, Longcut said:

Depart Roi et (ROI) by air @ 1100.

Arrive Don Muang  (DMK) @ 1155.

Check into hotel @ 1300

Hotel does TM-30

Depart Hotel next Day @ 0630

Depart Don Muang (DMK) @0830

Arrive Roi et (ROI) @0925

 

Am I required to fill out TM-30? Only been gone 22 ½ hours.  Will I need to keep my travel Itinerary to show to Immigration my next trip there? Just a point to show how ridiculous this is.

Certainly the IO will be impressed when you show him the details.

[Tanoshi]

27 minutes ago, Longcut said:

Depart Roi et (ROI) by air @ 1100.

Arrive Don Muang  (DMK) @ 1155.

Check into hotel @ 1300

Hotel does TM-30

Depart Hotel next Day @ 0630

Depart Don Muang (DMK) @0830

Arrive Roi et (ROI) @0925

 

Am I required to fill out TM-30? Only been gone 22 ½ hours.  Will I need to keep my travel Itinerary to show to Immigration my next trip there? Just a point to show how ridiculous this is.

According to the latest advice from Roi Et Immigration, yes.

 

If you stay anywhere regardless of the length of time, if a TM30 was filed in another Province, you must refile a new TM30 on arrival at your locally registered address in Roi Et.

[Tanoshi]

25 minutes ago, jackdd said:

There is no 24 hour rule.

The law says when the foreigner "เข้าพักอาศัย" he needs to be reported.

So the question is what is the definition of "เข้าพักอาศัย" in this law.

There is no 100% clear interpration of it, imho the usual one is: Entering a place with the intention to stay there overnight

2. Shall stay at the place as indicated to the competent official. Where there is proper reason
that he cannot stay at the place as indicated to the competent official, he shall notify the competent official of the change in residence , within 24 hours from the time of removing to said place.

 

I think it's pretty clear what 'stay' means.

 

 

Edited August 29, 2019 by Tanoshi

[jackdd]

7 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

2. Shall stay at the place as indicated to the competent official. Where there is proper reason
that he cannot stay at the place as indicated to the competent official, he shall notify the competent official
of the change in residence , within 24 hours from the time of removing to said place.

a) Complying with this section of the law be done using form TM27. Have you ever heard of anybody submitting form TM27? I haven't, this section of the law is not enforced at all, even less than TM28.

b) It clearly says "cannot stay", not "doesn't stay" or "don't want to stay". So if you just don't want to stay at this place there is no obligation to submit TM27. The reason that they don't even try to enforce is probably that it's just impossible to do.

 

7 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

I think it's pretty clear what 'stay' means.

In most case yes, but it's easy to construct a bunch of cases where the general interpretation of it will fail.

Edited August 29, 2019 by jackdd

[wgdanson]

7 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

2. Shall stay at the place as indicated to the competent official. Where there is proper reason
that he cannot stay at the place as indicated to the competent official, he shall notify the competent official of the change in residence , within 24 hours from the time of removing to said place.

 

I think it's pretty clear what 'stay' means.

 

 

What is a 'competent official' ?   LOL

[Tanoshi]

2 minutes ago, jackdd said:

a) This would be done using form TM27. Have you ever heard of anybody submitting form TM27? I haven't, this section of the law is not enforced at all, even less than TM28.

b) It clearly says "cannot stay", not "doesn't stay" or "don't want to stay". So if you just don't want to stay at this place there is no obligation to submit TM27. The reason that they don't even try to enforce is probably that it's just impossible to do.

 

In most case yes, but it's easy to construct a bunch of cases where the general interpretation of it will fail.

TM28 Jack, there is no TM27.

Previously I'd have agreed, but it isn't your or my interpretation that matters.

TI are clearly using conditions of section 37, applying them to the TM30 requirements.

 

It clearly states 'Shall stay at the place where indicated'

Clearly if you 'stay' at another place and they file a TM30, then they have informed a competent official of your new place of 'stay'. When you return to the residence you registered with Immigration, then a new TM30 must be filed to report a change in your place of 'stay', from the one previously reported.

 

That at least appears to be the interpretation of Immigration.

We don't have to agree with it, but it is what it is.

The complete Immigration Act is outdated, and needs rewriting for clarity of the current Immigration situations, not those of 40 years ago.

It's farcical and like the blind leading the blind at the moment.

[jackdd]

5 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

TM28 Jack, there is no TM27.

Are you sure? https://www.immigration.go.th/download/1542264289117.pdf

You quoted Section 37 (2) = TM27

Section 37 (3) and (4) = TM28

Section 37 (5) = TM47

[Tanoshi]

36 minutes ago, wgdanson said:

What is a 'competent official' ?   LOL

As soon as I find one, I'll let you know.

[Tanoshi]

45 minutes ago, jackdd said:

Are you sure? https://www.immigration.go.th/download/1542264289117.pdf

You quoted Section 37 (2) = TM27

Section 37 (3) and (4) = TM28

Section 37 (5) = TM47

I'll stand corrected Jack. Never seen a TM27 before.

It appears to be a newer addition to the list of downloadable forms.

 

That still doesn't explain why TI are using the TM30 to comply with section 37.

Absolutely nothing in section 38 about this out of Province nonsense.

Edited August 29, 2019 by Tanoshi

[ivor bigun]

Depart Roi et (ROI) by air @ 1100.
Arrive Don Muang  (DMK) @ 1155.
Check into hotel @ 1300
Hotel does TM-30
Depart Hotel next Day @ 0630
Depart Don Muang (DMK) @0830
Arrive Roi et (ROI) @0925
 
Am I required to fill out TM-30? Only been gone 22 ½ hours.  Will I need to keep my travel Itinerary to show to Immigration my next trip there? Just a point to show how ridiculous this is.

My mother in law never tells them when i stay in Roiet, [emoji23]

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[fxe1200]

Before I went to BKK from Hat Yai, I contacted the Immigration, and was told, that I do not need to do another TM30 when traveling to BKK for 48 hours. May be this is the better way to deal with the situation. But always make a note of date, time, place and the name of the IO, who gave you this permission.

[Benmart]

I too am heading to Bankok on 1 Sep  and returning to my home province on 3 Sep. I will head over to Chonburi Immigration and see what they say. 

[1FinickyOne]

19 hours ago, Longcut said:

Just claim that you were gone for 23 hours and 59 minutes. 

hey... wait a minute..

[Martyp]

Do you have to report? Yes. Should you report? That depends on when you plan to go to Immigration for an extension. Say, a 1 year extension. The hotel will have reported your stay and Immigration, at the time of your application, will see it. You can report now or later. If you report later you will have to pay a fine. If you expect to make several more similar trips before you go to Immigration then they will see those too but the fine is the same. No TM30? No extension. Up to you.

Edited August 30, 2019 by Martyp

[kevden]

As we have been reminded, each Immigration office(r) can be different from others. (Maybe even from themselves the precis day :)) 

The hotel should lodge your stay online (informing Thai Immigration). The next time your TM30 reporting is viewed by Immigration you could be fined.

I know this because Chiang Mai Immigration informed me my whereabouts had been lodged at two cities, when I reported my return to Chiang Mai. 

I suggest reporting is a good tactic, maybe try online yourself. 

[overherebc]

20 hours ago, timendres said:

That would be an expensive photo, but I share your enthusiasm.

You may need to report yourself for failure to file the TM30.

Is there a TM number for that?

[overherebc]

1 hour ago, kenk24 said:

hey... wait a minute..

Certified stop watch?

[essox essox]

20 hours ago, Longcut said:

Just claim that you were gone for 23 hours and 59 minutes. 

what if they WANT PROOF ????!!!

[NE1]

Jeeezus , we will soon need a re-entry permit to travel in country then return to our homes .????????

[Martyp]

17 minutes ago, essox essox said:

what if they WANT PROOF ????!!!

Once the hotel has notified Immigration of your stay then it doesn’t matter. When the hotel has filed the TM30 then your address has changed to the hotel. When you arrive home your address will not change to your home until you file the TM30. The 24 hours has become a moot point. The 24 hours to report is based on the time you decide you returned home. 

[Ramdas]

I reckon in order to make it easer ( for them )  And to reduce the mega confusion which they create for us on a daily basis it will be required an ankle bracelets on us that way the hotel staff and or any relative-s visit-s and any resort-s you’ve stayed at won’t get annoyed to check us in with the immigration, hence don’t have to file anything on our behalf, seriously this is complete nuisance to put it lightly ????????‍♂️

Treating us expats as if we were all prisoners in the land of deception ☹️

[owenm]

What if Thai Imm decided  tightening the thumb screws further.. 

 

And if DL ID was no longer accepted for domestic air travel, but farangs had to check in with PP, and long distance provincial bus travel also, with reports to Imm.. 

Anything is possible with this BS.. 

How long is a piece of string?? 

 

I'm sure things would be so different if Big Joe was still around.