Popular Post Forethat Posted September 3, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 3, 2019 1 minute ago, evadgib said: When Farages revolution is complete I hope to see automatic bi-elections being automatically triggered by anyone Jumping ship and for them to be suspended (lose the whip) until re elected. I can only expect him to have completed his defection by securing something with the LD as BJ surely has no option but to call a snap election - in which Dr Lee won't stand as he'll be thrown out of Tories head first. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 7by7 Posted September 3, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 3, 2019 5 minutes ago, Jip99 said: Here is somebody who doesn't (believe in democracy):- Conservative MP Phillip Lee has defected to the Liberal Democrats ahead of a showdown between Boris Johnson and Tory rebels over Brexit. Dr Lee, the MP for Bracknell, took his seat on the opposition benches as the PM addressed the Commons. Bracknell votes LEAVE Votes for Remain were: 29,888 Votes for Leave were: 35,002 The turnout was: 76.1 per cent What about my MP, Jonathan Lord, a Brexiteer? His constituency, Woking, voted by 56.2% to 43.8% to remain. Does he, in your opinion, believe in democracy? Or do you believe that Remain MPs representing Leave constituencies should resign, but Leave MPs representing Remain constituencies can stay? 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruntoid Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 6 minutes ago, Forethat said: I can only expect him to have completed his defection by securing something with the LD as BJ surely has no option but to call a snap election - in which Dr Lee won't stand as he'll be thrown out of Tories head first. I think you’ll falling behind, there won’t be an election without no deal assurances tied to the necessary labour approval. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7by7 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 19 minutes ago, evadgib said: When Farages revolution is complete I hope to see automatic bi-elections being automatically triggered by anyone Jumping ship and for them to be suspended (lose the whip) until re elected. What about any MP who defies their party Whips; especially government MPs who repeatedly vote against the government like Rees-Mogg? Surely any such radical change to our Parliamentary system should include them as well? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jip99 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 33 minutes ago, 7by7 said: What about my MP, Jonathan Lord, a Brexiteer? His constituency, Woking, voted by 56.2% to 43.8% to remain. Does he, in your opinion, believe in democracy? Or do you believe that Remain MPs representing Leave constituencies should resign, but Leave MPs representing Remain constituencies can stay? Did your man cross the House ? The combined votes count in a referendum and that result was to leave - that is what your MP should be working towards. If he believes passionately for remain, then he should stand down and put himself forward as a Lib Dem or any other remain party..... Change UK perhaps. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jip99 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 44 minutes ago, Bruntoid said: In 2016 - now ? Irrelevant....... but welcome to the forum. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautifulthailand99 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, Jip99 said: Did your man cross the House ? The combined votes count in a referendum and that result was to leave - that is what your MP should be working towards. If he believes passionately for remain, then he should stand down and put himself forward as a Lib Dem or any other remain party..... Change UK perhaps. blah blah blah - welcome to trench warfare with Herr Kommandant Bercow leading us out of the abyss..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautifulthailand99 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 36 minutes ago, Bruntoid said: I think you’ll falling behind, there won’t be an election without no deal assurances tied to the necessary labour approval. Welcome sane man to the forum. ???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingdong Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 On 8/29/2019 at 3:44 PM, bannork said: The electorate were promised a very sweet deal and that's what they voted for, but it's turning out to be a load of nonsense.: More money for the NHS Vote Leave’s battle bus said: “We send the EU £350 million a week. Let’s fund our NHS instead” More money for farmers “The UK government will continue to give farmers and the environment as much support – or perhaps even more – as they get now.” – George Eustice, Minister for Farming, Food and Marine Environment More money for scientists “If we Vote Leave, we will be able to increase funding to science and still save billions” –Vote Leave And no short-term economic disruption “After we Vote Leave, there won’t be a sudden change that disrupts the economy.” – Boris Johnson, Gisela Stuart and Michael Gove We’ll get brand new trade deals all over the world “We would immediately be able to start negotiating new trade deals… which could enter into force immediately after the UK leaves the EU” – Chris Grayling here’ll be no damage to trade with the EU “There is a European free trade zone from Iceland to the Russian border and we will be part of it… Britain will have access to the Single Market after we vote leave… The idea that our trade will suffer because we stop imposing terrible rules such as the Clinical Trial Directive is silly.” Vote Leave The Leavers promised the earth, not an isolated small country living in the past. and what happened after the vote? may made a pigs ear of her election campaign[looking back in hindsight she probably did it deliberatly] then spent the next 3 years scratching herself and having a jive to an abba record,before trying to present a scheme,sorry deal that wasn,t worth the paper it was written on and would have kept us in the eu for ever,boris has done more in 3 weeks than may did in 3 years still thats what happens when you send a woman to do a mans job,margeret thatcher must be turning in her grave. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheungWan Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 tories will fillibusta any attempts at new laws ..oct31 is in law so they cant change anything ..the lords can stop any new laws going thru ..boris is going to sack any remainers so their jobs are gone in next GE and the dole queue awaits them .. all desperate peopleBully-boy tactics not working out so well this evening.Sent from my SM-N935F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheungWan Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 Please can you tell us when the UK said we don't want to be friends anymore. Any proof that the UK has wanted anything but an amicable split? Talk to any Hard Brexiteer and you will get the drift.Sent from my SM-N935F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheungWan Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 Did your man cross the House ? The combined votes count in a referendum and that result was to leave - that is what your MP should be working towards. If he believes passionately for remain, then he should stand down and put himself forward as a Lib Dem or any other remain party..... Change UK perhaps.He wasn't elected on a no-deal platform and nor was anybody else. BTW, how did UKIP do in the election?Sent from my SM-N935F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7by7 Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 22 hours ago, Jip99 said: 22 hours ago, 7by7 said: What about my MP, Jonathan Lord, a Brexiteer? His constituency, Woking, voted by 56.2% to 43.8% to remain. Does he, in your opinion, believe in democracy? Or do you believe that Remain MPs representing Leave constituencies should resign, but Leave MPs representing Remain constituencies can stay? Did your man cross the House ? The combined votes count in a referendum and that result was to leave - that is what your MP should be working towards. If he believes passionately for remain, then he should stand down and put himself forward as a Lib Dem or any other remain party..... Change UK perhaps. Question dodged; the usual tactic from Brexiteers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Fixit Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 I think I know the maths- only 37% of the electorate voted for Brexit. And of that 37%, zero % voted for a No Deal Brexit.Yes, and less than that percentage of 37% voted to stay.And the reason zero % voted for a No Deal was because that wasn't on the voting form. It was a straight Leave or Remain. Nothing whatsoever to do with 'leave with a deal'.Sent from my SM-T510 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Fixit Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 The electorate were promised a very sweet deal and that's what they voted for, but it's turning out to be a load of nonsense.:More money for the NHS Vote Leave’s battle bus said: “We send the EU £350 million a week. Let’s fund our NHS instead” More money for farmers “The UK government will continue to give farmers and the environment as much support – or perhaps even more – as they get now.” – George Eustice, Minister for Farming, Food and Marine Environment More money for scientists “If we Vote Leave, we will be able to increase funding to science and still save billions” –Vote Leave And no short-term economic disruption “After we Vote Leave, there won’t be a sudden change that disrupts the economy.” – Boris Johnson, Gisela Stuart and Michael Gove We’ll get brand new trade deals all over the world “We would immediately be able to start negotiating new trade deals… which could enter into force immediately after the UK leaves the EU” – Chris Grayling here’ll be no damage to trade with the EU “There is a European free trade zone from Iceland to the Russian border and we will be part of it… Britain will have access to the Single Market after we vote leave… The idea that our trade will suffer because we stop imposing terrible rules such as the Clinical Trial Directive is silly.” Vote Leave The Leavers promised the earth, not an isolated small country living in the past. What you posted is nothing wha6to do with a deal with the zEU. Typical Remoaner, always twisting figures in the hope that one might be approaching accuracy one fine day.Sent from my SM-T510 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Fixit Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 And nobody voted for a No Deal Brexit. They just voted for Leave with lots of promises of how painless it would be. Now we know how difficult it will be to forge new trading links, and how long these are likely to take, a new referendum is necessary to see if the public are willing to undergo the necessary economic suffering.You still don't seem to get it.The words on the form was to either leave the EU or not. Got it yet?Sent from my SM-T510 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slip Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Mister Fixit said: What you posted is nothing wha6to do with a deal with the zEU. Typical Remoaner, always twisting figures in the hope that one might be approaching accuracy one fine day. Sent from my SM-T510 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app 41 minutes ago, Mister Fixit said: You still don't seem to get it. The words on the form was to either leave the EU or not. Got it yet? Sent from my SM-T510 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Dry your eyes and hope that Cummings Boris can earn his keep in the next round. Edited September 4, 2019 by Slip typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7by7 Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 (edited) 44 minutes ago, Mister Fixit said: On 8/29/2019 at 3:44 PM, bannork said: The electorate were promised a very sweet deal and that's what they voted for, but it's turning out to be a load of nonsense.:More money for the NHS Vote Leave’s battle bus said: “We send the EU £350 million a week. Let’s fund our NHS instead” More money for farmers “The UK government will continue to give farmers and the environment as much support – or perhaps even more – as they get now.” – George Eustice, Minister for Farming, Food and Marine Environment More money for scientists “If we Vote Leave, we will be able to increase funding to science and still save billions” –Vote Leave And no short-term economic disruption “After we Vote Leave, there won’t be a sudden change that disrupts the economy.” – Boris Johnson, Gisela Stuart and Michael Gove We’ll get brand new trade deals all over the world “We would immediately be able to start negotiating new trade deals… which could enter into force immediately after the UK leaves the EU” – Chris Grayling here’ll be no damage to trade with the EU “There is a European free trade zone from Iceland to the Russian border and we will be part of it… Britain will have access to the Single Market after we vote leave… The idea that our trade will suffer because we stop imposing terrible rules such as the Clinical Trial Directive is silly.” Vote Leave The Leavers promised the earth, not an isolated small country living in the past. What you posted is nothing wha6to do with a deal with the zEU. But it's what was promised by Leave campaigners during the campaign! 44 minutes ago, Mister Fixit said: Typical Remoaner, always twisting figures in the hope that one might be approaching accuracy one fine day. No twisting at all; just accurate quotes from prominent Leavers. 42 minutes ago, Mister Fixit said: You still don't seem to get it. The words on the form was to either leave the EU or not. Got it yet? Yes, and as has been repeatedly shown, the Leave campaign didn't just refuse to discuss the possibility of a no deal Brexit and it's consequences, they actively denied that it was even a remote possibility. We were conned in 2016, and Cummings is still at it. Edited September 4, 2019 by 7by7 Typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannork Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 39 minutes ago, Mister Fixit said: You still don't seem to get it. The words on the form was to either leave the EU or not. Got it yet? Sent from my SM-T510 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app You don't seem to understand how helpless the UK will be if it leaves with no deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheungWan Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 You don't seem to understand how helpless the UK will be if it leaves with no deal. The Hard Brexiteers don't care. Their priority is English Nationalism and any economic downside is acceptable collateral damage.Sent from my SM-N935F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Fixit Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 22 hours ago, bannork said: You don't seem to understand how helpless the UK will be if it leaves with no deal. Which is not the point of the OP. Stick to the point, which is what the referendum voting form said. As for the crystal ball gazing, no-one has the faintest idea what will happen once the UK leaves the EU. People are only guessing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Fixit Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 22 hours ago, Slip said: Dry your eyes and hope that Cummings Boris can earn his keep in the next round. What on earth has that got to do with the wording on the referendum voting form? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7by7 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 33 minutes ago, Mister Fixit said: Which is not the point of the OP. Stick to the point, which is what the referendum voting form said. I've just finished reading the OP, three times just to be sure, and can find no reference in it to the referendum ballot paper; or to use your parlance, voting form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slip Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 41 minutes ago, Mister Fixit said: What on earth has that got to do with the wording on the referendum voting form? It was in reference to this quote from you: My suggestion was that you should stop crying and hope your rabble can do better tomorrow than today. If you want to apply such a strict on-topic set of rules, then you really should abide by them yourself rather than being deflected in the direction of cheap insults aimed at those you don't agree with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautifulthailand99 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 On 9/4/2019 at 4:21 PM, Mister Fixit said: You still don't seem to get it. The words on the form was to either leave the EU or not. Got it yet? Sent from my SM-T510 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app That was then this is now - got it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 Troll, bickering posts and replies removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loiner Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 The Hard Brexiteers don't care. Their priority is English Nationalism and any economic downside is acceptable collateral damage.Sent from my SM-N935F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile appYep, that’s about it really but we will let the rest of the Union share in the spoils after Brexit. That’s if some of them are still with us, or not if agin’ us.The imaginary economic downside is only Remainer propaganda. The current currency fluctuations are not a particular problem for the UK, so Remainers wailing about it in Thailand are exactly what you describe - acceptable collateral damage. Sorry for the Brexiteers who endure with stoicism, but the Remainers can suck it up. If they cause more delays they they will have to just continue in their pain. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyluke Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 21 minutes ago, Loiner said: The imaginary economic downside is only Remainer propaganda There the "Project Fear" from some, opposed to the "Over-Optimistic Syndrome" from others. Time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautifulthailand99 Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 Brexit is dying withering on the vine in the final furlong . https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/09/05/boris-johnson-just-gave-bizarre-speech-ever-pure-alan-partridge/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheungWan Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 There the "Project Fear" from some, opposed to the "Over-Optimistic Syndrome" from others. Time will tell. Yeah well...No-deal Brexit 2019 is now 7/2 and not happening 1/5.Sent from my SM-N935F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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