Tony Blair warns UK Labour: Don't fall into election 'elephant trap'

[SheungWan]

 
Thanks for the explanation. So if I understand what is likely to happen now:
 
The House can not directly compel BJ to ask for an extension, but they could restrict his options if the EU initiated an event. Of course, right now the EU requires the UK to initiate a request for an extension, but there may be some legal way around this where the EU rules could be changed so they can offer an extension and Boris would be required to accept it.
 
Since it now appears that his bid for a new election will not be granted by Corbyn and he has lost control of parliament, it seems like this might wind up in the courts with a constitutional crisis.
 
Question: rather than letting a few judges decide the fate of the UK now, wouldn't it honestly be better just to go ahead with the election and give the people a chance to voice their opinion?  I understand it might not be the best thing for the politicians, but looking at the mess this is becoming, wouldn't it be more responsible than a contentious court battle which ultimately will be decided by the personal values of a few judges balancing legal precedents?

No. Pass the motion blocking no-deal first.

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[SheungWan]

I think Boris's gamble is that if he were to win a GE with a comfortable majority, then it wouldn't really matter if a No Deal Brexit destroyed the economy, because 1) the poor would pay as is standard practice with the Tories.
2) He would be in power for years even if it was power over a dust heap.
3) His friends would still be able to avoid tax.
 
A recent statement by a front bencher in the shadow cabinet said that LP would not fall for a GE ploy if it meant an election before 31st October. Boris was betting on Corbyn taking an idiotic "up and at them stance", but the party may have pulled on the bridle, and reigned him back - what a complete mug. 
 
"I have always supported the guy, thinking him to be brave and more or less corruption-free. I thought that ethics and morality might come to mean something in the UK after the debacles and atrocities of the Tories. I was wrong....the guy is unelectable, just like everyone told me."
Fair enough, I think he is basically decent, and receives a lot of twisted press, I admire him for inspiring many young people to join the party. Trouble is he has been a pathetically weak leader, his "Advisors" walk all over him. He has gone from very promising to sad old inadequate in a few years. 

Forget the blah. The opposition task is simple. First block no-deal.

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[beautifulthailand99]

The Rebel Alliance is on the march - first we deflate the Great Pretender - the lying sack of immoral ordure.

 

If there have been worse performances from a prime minister at the despatch box in the last five years, no one could remember them. Much more of this and letters will be piling up in the 1922 Committee demanding the return of Theresa May. This was the day Boris Johnson was stripped bare. Exposed as the Great Pretender. A mere carapace of vaulting ambition, which o’erleaps itself and falls on th’other.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/03/clown-prince-johnson-cowers-in-the-face-of-the-rebel-alliance

[beautifulthailand99]

2 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

Forget the blah. The opposition task is simple. First block no-deal.

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2 foxes shot tonight - his No Deal and his election. The despondency on the front bench was writ large. 

[Baerboxer]

On 9/2/2019 at 7:40 PM, shy coconut said:

Blair really is a to$$er

 

I think it's him and the BBC who hate Corbyn.

Besides a few obscure references to anti sematism and old stuff of him

at a pro Palestinian rally, what has he really done, or likely to do if elected?

 

Boris is already throwing money around like a matelot on shore leave in Pattaya,

so a socialist Corbyn government couldn't do much more harm to the economy.

 

I would probably vote labour if I lived south of the border, but it's solid SNP country

where I live and labour are a distant 4th having lost deposits even in the Blair era.

 

I am genuinely interested as the bulk of my information regarding Corbyn comes from

the BBC and their reporting about his apparent hatred of everything Jewish is bordering

on the hysterical.

 

I understand that everyone, everywhere involved in politics is an a$$ but what are the

Labour party all about??? 

 

I think considerably more than the BBC and Blair hate Corbyn! Maybe it has to do with his marxist leanings, terrorist friends whose organizations he has staunchly supported for years, and the fact he does more u-turns and twits for extra votes than the rest.

 

You should read their manifestos. Corbyn, Abbot and McConnell and their Momentum (rehashed militant tendency with more loony lefties added), plus their union big players want to turn the UK back to the 70's social and economic woes. 

 

Even Boris and his Tory toffs and Old Etonian mafia or the dubious national socialist Sturgeon are more palatable than the commie Corbyn. He'd be shafted by Putin much worse than Boris being shafted by Trump!

[beautifulthailand99]

On 9/2/2019 at 1:36 PM, billd766 said:

Up to you.

 

I would rather buy a used car from Arfur Daly

 

IMHO was is nothing but a snake oil salesman and should be prosecuted as a war criminal.

On your last point I am in full agreement. And his opening the EU floodgates to immigration from new accession countries when he didn't need to - he poured petrol on this fire. That said he is right on this Corbyn should let Boris stew in his own mess so the British public can truly see the shambolic , fact free lying bully that he is. 

 

“Move not unless you see an advantage; use not your troops unless there is something to be gained; fight not unless the position is critical.” 
― Sun Tzu, The Art of War

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[RichardColeman]

On 9/2/2019 at 12:23 PM, snoop1130 said:

Tony Blair warns UK Labour: Don't fall into election 'elephant trap'

Have to admit first thing I think of when putting Labour and Elephant together is Dianne Abbott

[MarineEquine]

2 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

 

I think considerably more than the BBC and Blair hate Corbyn! Maybe it has to do with his marxist leanings, terrorist friends whose organizations he has staunchly supported for years, and the fact he does more u-turns and twits for extra votes than the rest.

 

You should read their manifestos. Corbyn, Abbot and McConnell and their Momentum (rehashed militant tendency with more loony lefties added), plus their union big players want to turn the UK back to the 70's social and economic woes. 

 

Even Boris and his Tory toffs and Old Etonian mafia or the dubious national socialist Sturgeon are more palatable than the commie Corbyn. He'd be shafted by Putin much worse than Boris being shafted by Trump!

This. So much this. Johnson is the lesser of two evils for vast swathes of the British public. 

[MarineEquine]

1 hour ago, RichardColeman said:

Have to admit first thing I think of when putting Labour and Elephant together is Dianne Abbott

More like a hippo. 

[Basil B]

Tony Blair warns UK Labour: Don't fall into election 'elephant trap'

 

Seems Jeremy was listening...

 

The opposition will call a vote of no confidence at a time of their choosing.

 

Look like it is Boris who has just stepped into the "Elephant trap".

[SheungWan]

 
I think considerably more than the BBC and Blair hate Corbyn! Maybe it has to do with his marxist leanings, terrorist friends whose organizations he has staunchly supported for years, and the fact he does more u-turns and twits for extra votes than the rest.
 
You should read their manifestos. Corbyn, Abbot and McConnell and their Momentum (rehashed militant tendency with more loony lefties added), plus their union big players want to turn the UK back to the 70's social and economic woes. 
 
Even Boris and his Tory toffs and Old Etonian mafia or the dubious national socialist Sturgeon are more palatable than the commie Corbyn. He'd be shafted by Putin much worse than Boris being shafted by Trump!

Rage away.

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[SheungWan]

Tony Blair warns UK Labour: Don't fall into election 'elephant trap'
 
Seems Jeremy was listening...
 
The opposition will call a vote of no confidence at a time of their choosing.
 
Look like it is Boris who has just stepped into the "Elephant trap".

Shouldn't have shut down Parliament. United the opposition.

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